In terms of European campaign only. If a trophy is better than no trophy then surely United's European campaign must be seen as the second best right? Even better than the CL runner up.
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In terms of European campaign only. If a trophy is better than no trophy then surely United's European campaign must be seen as the second best right? Even better than the CL runner up.
You could pair up the EL and CL qualification into one because that's the only incentive to win that trophy. Without it, it's just a second rate European competition.
You're making all these assumptions rather than just admitting that he's obviously open to playing for United, and it's not only down to money.
He's going to be minted for his entire career.
It's not just money, of course.
But without spending lots of money you wouldn't get any of the players you've mentioned. And if United all of a sudden went bankrupt tomorrow, how many of those players would stick around? How many would you be able to keep, let alone buy?
You should start writing books.
No one saying it's not a second rate European competition but it is still a major trophy. It is still worth winning, especially if you're in it from the start.
Would you work for your fecking company if they went bankrupt out of sudden and stopped paying you anything? Your theorycrafting is getting more and more tedious.
We just keep going in circles. Griezmann would be making lots of money no matter where he plays. United has a shot at getting him because they've got money to buy him and are willing to spend it. Everything else is secondary.
Why European Campaign only? Juventus and Madrid have better seasons than Manutd even if they both lose CL finals.
I'm still struggling to understand what Griezmann has to do with us having had a better season than everybody else in the PL bar Chelsea. Also hilarious that a Chelsea supported is in this thread to knock our achievements even though the unanimous consensus is that Chelsea had a better season than us.
The facts are so in favour of United having a better season than everyone except Chelsea that oppo fans are creating hypothetical scenarios instead of focusing on what actually happened. Ive been ignoring almost all non-united fans on this forum because they WUM in 90% of their posts and play devils advocate in the other 10%.
Chelsea have a potential double, United have the mickey mouse double, everyone else has feck all.
Chelsea have a potential double, United have the mickey mouse double, everyone else has feck all.
Griezmann himself said he wants to win titles, so how is everything else secondary? The man himself as told you what the primary is.
Anyway, we are going in circles, for some reason you seem intent on trying to belittle our success this season, and our ability to attract players - outside of just money.
The rules changed since 2015. When Liverpool won UEFA cup, it did not give them a CL slot. These days, winning the Europa league is better than finishing 4th in the league. Please - let that sink in.
Furthermore, we belittled UEFA cup/league cup in the past because our Scouse neighbours tried to convince the world that they won 'The Treble' in 2001 when every man & his dog knows Treble = Premier League + FA cup + Championd League.
Good job mods still in celebratory mode after last night or 3 bans could've easily been forthcoming by now...... taking tiresome to a whole new level.
The only place i want to swap is with Chelsea. I still prefer EPL title over Europa anyday. But we are definitely better than A B C L T S
He belittled it because Chelsea came from the Champions League and finished the season 25 points behind. You can say United just had a similar season to Benitez in Chelsea that year, which is true. But he won them a Premier League title afterwards, and that gives it some context.
Griezmann himself said he wants to win titles, so how is everything else secondary? The man himself as told you what the primary is.
Anyway, we are going in circles, for some reason you seem intent on trying to belittle our success this season, and our ability to attract players - outside of just money.
OK, I'll explain it for the last time.
Griezmann wants titles. OK, I believe he does. United want to win trophies and want to buy Giezmann. Again, no argument from me. But none of that would matter if United were unable to spend a huge amount of money to buy the player from Atletico. Great history, huge ambition, top squad and a world class manager, none of that would matter if you can't afford the player you want. Do you get my point now?
United won the same competition and finished 24 points behind this year. Jose is just being Jose here.
and United play in Norsk Toppfotball?
Here's the disconnect for me.
I've been arguing in another thread against people who think that the most important thing about the EL trophy is NOT the trophy itself, but the CL qualification it gets us. These same people, if not for the CL qualification carrot, would value a deep run in the CL over a EL win. There are a lot of people who would have deemed this season an abject failure if we managed to lose against Ajax. Despite winning a League Cup. A trophy more than what Tottenham, Liverpool, and City have won.
Now that we have 2 trophies that have been referred to many times on here as mickey mouse, we've had a better season than City, Tottenham and Liverpool. And I'm supposed to believe that any of these sides and their fans are wishing they were in our position now.
But I'll let youse have fun with this.
I've been arguing in another thread against people who think that the most important thing about the EL trophy is NOT the trophy itself, but the CL qualification it gets us. These same people, if not for the CL qualification carrot, would value a deep run in the CL over a EL win. There are a lot of people who would have deemed this season an abject failure if we managed to lose against Ajax. Despite winning a League Cup. A trophy more than what Tottenham, Liverpool, and City have won.
Now that we have 2 trophies that have been referred to many times on here as mickey mouse, we've had a better season than City, Tottenham and Liverpool. And I'm supposed to believe that any of these sides and their fans are wishing they were in our position now.
But I'll let youse have fun with this.
and winning the LC and EL - Thanks.
Congrats to you too for being the top qualifier for the Europa league.
Yes, because our position puts in a more favorable draw for the CL as well. If the draw of finishing top 4 is CL qualification then winning the EL, achieving that same qualification and getting yourself in a better pot for the draw is a much better position. Spurs have a better squad than us currently, but their season wasn't as good because they won nothing, including the PL, which was their priority apparently. They also fell flat on their face in Europa against Gent while playing a full strength side and were a joke in their CL group, like we were under LVG which was rightly mocked by opposition supporters and a major reason for LVG's dismissal.
City and Liverpool had better league campaigns than us while playing far fewer overall fixtures and still winning feck all. Congratulations.
Why are you repeating what I just said? Mourinho always says preposterous things (last night was “the most important title of [his] career”) that must be understood in context. United didn't drop to the Europa League because of him. And Benitez dropped the Premier League chase even when the Europa League winner didn't got the Champions place.
Just because some people might value CL qualification over the silverware itself, doesnt make that silverware worthless. Valuing these things is more art that science, there is no correct answer and no formula for working it out. But basically CL qualification is the name of the game, we did that, as did City, Spurs and Liverpool. So that's all good. With that out the way you look at the next thing, which is trophies. We have two, they have none. So we win.
So its pretty simple really.
I get your point of view, but that doesn't explain why he doesn't go to Chelsea for example.
Current champions, one of the most likely to win the league, Costa is potentially leaving which opens the door for a player like Griezmann, world class manager, top squad, huge ambition, great recent history and they can afford him.
Ticks all the boxes doesn't it?
A player of Griezmann's caliber would only ever be considered by the top 5% of clubs, who happen to be wealthy, which is why saying things such as 'it all comes down to money' is far too simplistic.
I'd definitely swap being runner up in 2011 for winning the EL. We don't put runner-ups in our list of achievements.
I really don't think that Arsenal fans can say shit right now, your best player is once again most likely to leave and you've ended another season without a single trophy for all of that wonderful football and goals galore against fodder. But wait, this time you don't even have 4th to fall back on.
Total mess.
That ignores position in the league. I'm learning for the first time that finishing 2nd is equivalent to winning 17th (ignoring CL qualification). That is insane, and I refer to the poster who asked if everyone just watched Talledega Nights.
Dear Arsenal Fans,
Welcome to the Europa League.
Here are a few things you might want to know about the Europa. They will come handy.
1. There is no match preview in the Europa League until you reach the semi finals. So make sure you only tune in to your game at the dot of kick-off.
2. Kick-off times in the Europa are awkward. Sometimes the match will kick-off at 18:20 pm if you're playing against Metallist Kharkiv in Ukraine sometimes the match will kick-off at 21:09 pm. So wives, if your Arsenal husbands are asking for a remote at 19:17 pm on a Thursday, its that Europa match.
3. Gent FC and Genk FC are two different teams.
4. There's no half time review in the Europa League. if you're lucky you'll switch to Channel 202 and you'll find some horseracing.
5. At the end of the match, if you'll be lucky you will be shown some highlights of other Thursday matches. But the highlights don't have commentary. It's like watching YouTube highlights at the office since you switch off the sound.
6. There's a football league in Liechtenstein. Yeah, that's a European country my friend.
7. Viitorul, CS U Craiiova and Nordsjaelland are real football teams in Europe.
8. One time you'll be playing in Romania on a football pitch worse than brondby FC two days later you're battling it out against Jefferson Montero and Ki at Swansea.
Finally, your Fridays will no longer be the same anymore after sleeping very late watching drab football between your team and FC Klistiansund.
Welcome to Thursday night football
Got this Facebook comment from supersport page.
Welcome to the Europa League.
Here are a few things you might want to know about the Europa. They will come handy.
1. There is no match preview in the Europa League until you reach the semi finals. So make sure you only tune in to your game at the dot of kick-off.
2. Kick-off times in the Europa are awkward. Sometimes the match will kick-off at 18:20 pm if you're playing against Metallist Kharkiv in Ukraine sometimes the match will kick-off at 21:09 pm. So wives, if your Arsenal husbands are asking for a remote at 19:17 pm on a Thursday, its that Europa match.
3. Gent FC and Genk FC are two different teams.
4. There's no half time review in the Europa League. if you're lucky you'll switch to Channel 202 and you'll find some horseracing.
5. At the end of the match, if you'll be lucky you will be shown some highlights of other Thursday matches. But the highlights don't have commentary. It's like watching YouTube highlights at the office since you switch off the sound.
6. There's a football league in Liechtenstein. Yeah, that's a European country my friend.
7. Viitorul, CS U Craiiova and Nordsjaelland are real football teams in Europe.
8. One time you'll be playing in Romania on a football pitch worse than brondby FC two days later you're battling it out against Jefferson Montero and Ki at Swansea.
Finally, your Fridays will no longer be the same anymore after sleeping very late watching drab football between your team and FC Klistiansund.
Welcome to Thursday night football
Got this Facebook comment from supersport page.
OK there are people who are making too much of the whole "second place is nowhere" thing. I think Spurs had a great season, Ive been arguing that in another thread myself. And I think 6th is nowhere close to being good enough for us.
But I do think a Micky Mouse Double is better than coming 2nd in the league. I dont think its such an outlandish claim either, Ive been discussing it with someone I work with earlier, an ABU, and he accepted it himself. I wouldnt say we are streets ahead of Spurs, I would say we edge it. They are entitled to be delighted with their season and I wouldnt expect many of them to want to swap seasons with us. But some might, after all trophies are nice and we are in a better pot than them in the CL.
As far as City are concerned its not close for me, 3rd is decent, its CL qualification, its fine. But we did that and won a trophy.
I think people have to remember the whole Top 4 thing is a construct, its about CL qualification and nothing else. Back in the old days before the CL people didnt think about coming in the top 4 as a particular achievement, the higher in the league the better but people would have taken 6th and the FA Cup over 3rd all day long.
If you can qualify for the CL with a trophy that has to be better.
You do realize you're making the most obvious point? Of course a player wouldn't join a club despite their history, ambition, squad bla bla if they don't have the means. Who is even disputing that? Do you want everyone to agree if the wages/fee offered by us and City/Chelsea he'd pick Chelsea, City and United in that order? What difference does it make to you?
Realistically speaking terms offered by 2 clubs can never be the same, one club will always offer more/less money than the other. Did you miss the entirety of Pogba saga last summer? When Real Madrid of all clubs bowed out as they couldn't compete with the financial package offered by United?
The thing is, there is no 'Without it'. The EL is inseparably tied to CL qualification.
Hypotheticals are not for everyone, that much is clear. But it is easy to imagine the EL without CL qualification, you only have to look back 3 or 4 years. Its prestige has grown immeasurably since they gave the winners a CL spot. Before that it was, as he said, a second rate competition and I highly doubt we would have sacrificed our league position trying to win it the way we did.
It's surprising how many people think that 'almost winning things' is better than 'actually winning things'.
Even on rawk they are saying we had the second best season after Chelsea
Just look at the last few pages of the europa league thread. One poster claimed spurs had a better season and he had about ten replies saying he is talking shit
Just look at the last few pages of the europa league thread. One poster claimed spurs had a better season and he had about ten replies saying he is talking shit
My point is that we are not '3 or 4 years' back. We are in 2017, when the EL Cup gives you CL qualification. So, second rate or not, it's a cup with value especially when you are involved in a CL qualification battle involving Chelsea, City, Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal.
Sorry if I'm ignorant, but do the top 4 still get PL + us? Or do we get it at the expense of Liverpool who's fourth?
Wonder if that poster is same as one (of three) on here....