Ivan Perisic

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Offside said:
All those are in hindsight. My point is writing the player off before we've even signed him is ridiculous.
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No, those are facts. They don't prove anything about Perisic, but they prove that Jose's admiration is hardly a good indicator.
As for Perisic, i am writing him off based on his like 10-years career in football, based on what i've seen at Wolfsburg or Inter. Nobody in their own mind would say that Perisic is a top player. Even "good" is actually debatable. In terms of top level good, not a "west ham" (or Stoke or WBA) type of good.
 
Vilev said:
No, those are facts. They don't prove anything about Perisic, but they prove that Jose's admiration is hardly a good indicator.
As for Perisic, i am writing him off based on his like 10-years career in football, based on what i've seen at Wolfsburg or Inter. Nobody in their own mind would say that Perisic is a top player. Even "good" is actually debatable. In terms of top level good, not a "west ham" (or Stoke or WBA) type of good.
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Well, Mourinho must see something in him. He's a bloody successful manager and his signings for us haven't been bad. I'm presuming he's watched him a lot and sees a distinct use for him within the team.
 
El-Manos said:
I didn't call him shit?
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That's not what I'm saying.
You have the balls to suggest that what I said is hardly an original comment.
Yet the amount of anti-Perisic comments that have been repeated is dominating this thread right now.
 
togg said:
Well, Mourinho must see something in him.
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Yes and he saw something in Cuadrado and apparently did not see anything in De Bruyne.
His transfer record for us is TBD. Last season was barely enough, not any better than LVG's first one.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
The anti-Perisic brigade clearly know footballers more than Mourinho.
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We can have an opinion on a player without thinking that we are more knowledgeable than a football manager. I remember when the majority of posters thought that Rojo was shite, I was with Mourinho at the time does that makes me an experts? Obviously no, I was just lucky to agree with the manager.
 
roonster09 said:
Would be very surprised if Martial is part of this deal. Martial isn't like Lukaku or KdB who were cheap punts at Chelsea, ManUtd spent big money to sign Martial, so would be very surprised if Woodward just gives away such a big investment for a player like Perisic
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The deal for Martial was highly incentivised was it not? Some of those clauses may not yet have been triggered.

KM said:
People keep on making the most negative assumptions in their head for no reason. There's no way in hell that Martial is going to Inter in any permanent role. There's a miniscule chance of loan but Mourinho's comment yesterday suggest that he looks at Martial as a striker.
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I don't think it would necessarily be a negative if we were to part with Martial (perhaps just on loan) in order to get in a player the manager seemingly really wants. It wouldn't be my choice, but Lukaku wouldn't have been my choice either. My choice doesn't matter in the slightest, the manager has to be given scope to build his team comprised of players he wants. He should be afforded some leeway without us all going in to meltdown.

Kill 'em all said:
What? Mourinho rates Martial as a special talent. He only had some questions regarding his commitment but even that was fixed later on in the season and Mourinho praised him for it.
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Quick glance at whoscored suggests he played about the same number of minutes as Rooney/Jones, players most people considered disposable coming into the summer. I'm not saying we should necessarily allow Martial to leave, just that I wouldn't be amazingly shocked if we did.
 
Infra-red said:
The deal for Martial was highly incentivised was it not? Some of those clauses may not yet have been triggered.
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36 Million plus addons.
 
JPRouve said:
We can have an opinion on a player without thinking that we are more knowledgeable than a football manager. I remember when the majority of posters thought that Rojo was shite, I was with Mourinho at the time does that makes me an experts? Obviously no, I was just lucky to agree with the manager.
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There's a mighty difference though between saying "this professional football player is shit/garbage/awful", and saying "I'd prefer someone younger", "I feel as if we're paying too much", "he won't fit in our team" etc.

It's just pure arrogance.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
There's a mighty difference though between saying "this professional football player is shit/garbage/awful", and saying "I'd prefer someone younger", "I feel as if we're paying too much", "he won't fit in our team" etc.

It's just pure arrogance.
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People are posting in jest, only an extremely deluded human being would think that he has a better grasp of football than a professional manager. Moyes who is now a laughing stock on the caf, would put us to shame.
 
JPRouve said:
People are posting in jest, only an extremely deluded human being would think that he has a better grasp of football than a professional manager. Moyes who is now a laughing stock on the caf, would put us to shame.
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:lol::lol:
 
Vilev said:
Jose had enough transfer gaffes to fill a book. Do you need reminding how many players that turned completely worthless have he signed for Real, Chelsea or Inter?
Of course part of the trade that. But that fact makes your post meaningless. Because it proves that Jose's wanting him is nowhere near a guarantee, that he will not be sold for 3 times cheaper after a year or a two.
Jose was a top manager, that allowed Salah, Lukaku and De Bryune to leave while got somebodies like Cuadrado.
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Not really. Neither cuadrado nor Salah were bought to be first choice. They were squad fillers because a player left them and they needed options. I doubt Jose insisted on Salah and cuadrado but just demanded back ups in place of schurle and mata leaving (who themselves weren't first choice)

Perisic by all accounts is someone Jose really wants. He has reportedly gone to watch him play in Croatia, and all reports state he is high priority. Such signings at Chelsea were Costa, Fabregas Matic and Willian. He has mostly been spot on in such transfers. At RM, he wanted modric at all costs. And over time, he has been one of their best players.

So the point is he isn't comparable to cuadrado and Salah
 
I don't get why someone cannot agree with the manager, its not as if the manager is always right ffs.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
That's not what I'm saying.
You have the balls to suggest that what I said is hardly an original comment.
Yet the amount of anti-Perisic comments that have been repeated is dominating this thread right now.
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Because a lot of people here have never rated him highly and are not going to pretend that they do because we are linked with him.
 
prath92 said:
Not really. Neither cuadrado nor Salah were bought to be first choice. They were squad fillers because a player left them and they needed options. I doubt Jose insisted on Salah and cuadrado but just demanded back ups in place of schurle and mata leaving (who themselves weren't first choice)

Perisic by all accounts is someone Jose really wants. He has reportedly gone to watch him play in Croatia, and all reports state he is high priority. Such signings at Chelsea were Costa, Fabregas Matic and Willian. He has mostly been spot on in such transfers. At RM, he wanted modric at all costs. And over time, he has been one of their best players.

So the point is he isn't comparable to cuadrado and Salah
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He bought F Luis as a first choice for example. So was Pedro more or less. If Perisic is Jose's first choice for the LW position, that just plain idiocy.
I don't think Jose is actually all that behind this Perisic stuff, there is a easy prove to that. Perisic left Wolfsburg the same year Schurrle was sold their. So if Jose really appreciated Perisic he could have easily arranged for him to come to Chelsea back then. He did not. Actually i am more or less convinced that even if Perisic is no Jose's list, he is sort of way down, and if United do get the deal done, it will be because we missed on other choices.

However the key here is that Jose had tons of transfer mistakes. His success rate in transfers is around 50% mark, which makes appealing to him liking Perisic simply not "prove-worthy".
 
JPRouve said:
You know that it's true, sad but true.:)
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Re-sign old players, get to the byline, cross the ball, keep it tight at the back?

I know us armchair critics know shit compared to real managers, but compared to Moyes? Come on.
 
Vilev said:
He bought F Luis as a first choice for example. So was Pedro more or less. If Perisic is Jose's first choice for the LW position, that just plain idiocy.
I don't think Jose is actually all that behind this Perisic stuff, there is a easy prove to that. Perisic left Wolfsburg the same year Schurrle was sold their. So if Jose really appreciated Perisic he could have easily arranged for him to come to Chelsea back then. He did not. Actually i am more or less convinced that even if Perisic is no Jose's list, he is sort of way down, and if United do get the deal done, it will be because we missed on other choices.

However the key here is that Jose had tons of transfer mistakes. His success rate in transfers is around 50% mark, which makes appealing to him liking Perisic simply not "prove-worthy".
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Filipe Luis was benched because of azpilicueta. It's like saying fergie is wrong because he sold pique. He sold him because he had vidic and Ferdinand.

Why is it idiocy? Because he isn't neymar? By all accounts, he is a very good player who will fit Jose's system well (reported by David Amoyal and many others who watch Serie A regularly).

Apparently Mourinho went to Croatia during an international break. It was reported then that he went to watch perisic. And now we are linked with him continuously. It's either a giant coincidence or Jose really wants him.

No the key here is there are very few players Jose insists on. And most of such players have turned out to be successful.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Re-sign old players, get to the byline, cross the ball, keep it tight at the back?

I know us armchair critics know shit compared to real managers, but compared to Moyes? Come on.
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Does anyone here have 20+ years of managerial experience or three manager of the year awards?
 
He just seems like square peg for the right shape hole. I'm sure there might be better but equally not that many who are gettable. I think all the signings will very similar and do what they says on the tin.
 
togg said:
Well, Mourinho must see something in him. He's a bloody successful manager and his signings for us haven't been bad. I'm presuming he's watched him a lot and sees a distinct use for him within the team.
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I love Mourinho and think he's bloody awesome, but he is not above making some shite signings now and then, like all great managers. We could do a lot better than Perisic, that's a fact. But once he signs, we should obviously back him to succeed and hope for the best.
 
I don't think he's going to be a fancy signing like Bale, Griezmann etc, but what we need is a player who can get past defenders, be an outlet for balls from the back, put in a quality cross where he actually looks before crossing and aims it at one of our players, and who can also tackle back when needed.

There are very few options who fit this description as well as Perisic. As a winger he's better than anyone we have by a distance.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
I don't think he's going to be a fancy signing like Bale, Griezmann etc, but what we need is a player who can get past defenders, be an outlet for balls from the back, put in a quality cross where he actually looks before crossing and aims it at one of our players, and who can also tackle back when needed.

There are very few options who fit this description as well as Perisic. As a winger he's better than anyone we have by a distance.
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And by some distance......
 
Cassidy said:
I don't get why someone cannot agree with the manager, its not as if the manager is always right ffs.
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Its not that, its the experts who list all these bloody players most of us who have never heard of and claim they are better options. The hipster kind of fan who plays to many football games
 
Lentwood said:
Its not that, its the experts who list all these bloody players most of us who have never heard of and claim they are better options. The hipster kind of fan who plays to many football games
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You can spot them a mile off. They'll pretend to be experts on all these highly rated young players across numerous leagues, when you know all their "knowledge" is based on is their star rating on football manager.
 
Lentwood said:
Its not that, its the experts who list all these bloody players most of us who have never heard of and claim they are better options. The hipster kind of fan who plays to many football games
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Not being funny but Perisic has been around for 10 years and has amounted to nothing special. Also if you haven't heard of some other players because you have less football knowledge than another poster then tough. No need to label them a hipster. Some people just follow different flavours of football to others.

No doubt some people blag, but I would not be surprised to find many players being mentioned as better options to Perisic.
 
I find it strange that he has to fly all the way back to Croatia just to get a dentist. I don't even care if it's a childhood dentist; if you're paid millions I'm sure you can find a good dentist wherever you are in the world. It's obviously not a tooth problem.
 
Freak said:
I find it strange that he has to fly all the way back to Croatia just to get a dentist. I don't even care if it's a childhood dentist; if you're paid millions I'm sure you can find a good dentist wherever you are in the world. It's obviously not a tooth problem.
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I wouldn't trust any other dentist other than the one I always use. Maybe Perisic is the same.
 
If the club was paying 20/30 odd Million for a 28 year who hasn't been a standout performer at his previous clubs, I'm positive there wouldn't be much questioning from posters. I'd never personally heard his name prior to being linked to United.
 
Might a well close down the forum since so many have definite opinions on the player despite having seen so little of him.
Not exactly lending itself for a worthwhile discussion.
 
cyberman said:
Might a well close down the forum since so many have definite opinions on the player despite having seen so little of him.
Not exactly lending itself for a worthwhile discussion.
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He has been playing in the Serie A and the Bundesliga so I think plenty of people here have seen enough to form an opinion.
 
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