I don't think any of the really prominent Labour politicians are in too much trouble. Their constituents will back them.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I don't think any of the really prominent Labour politicians are in too much trouble. Their constituents will back them.
Aye, even those in here who dislike Corbyn must be displeased. By trying to force him out rather than quickly calling a leadership challenge they've damaged their own reputation and may have pushed more support to Corbyn.
I'm wondering whether they'll continue this strategy in hope. They're not even confident their new choice can get elected by the party members nevermind the country
To be fair this was a pretty perfect ousting attempt for any leader of a major political party in recent history. It was said the other day that John Smith didn't feel it was necessary to put in the rulebook that a no-confidence vote automatically resulted in the leader getting the boot, it was just seen as a given (for comparison, IDS lost his no-confidence vote "only" 90-75). Ditto if you can't string together enough MPs to fill a front bench whilst in opposition.
Corbyn's reign is just all-round odd.
The turd is not for flushing.
I fecking hate Umunna. I'll sign up to the Labour party just to get rid of that smug bellend as my MP.
It's not like they weren't aware Corbyn feels he has the option to be on the ballot... And apparently the best alternative is Angela Eagle. It looks pretty mindlessly done, to me. The anti-Corbyns are as chaotic as the pro-Corbyns.
I gave up any hope of a favourable outcome (in my opinion anyway) when Eagle was touted as the alternative. Now BJ has left the building I think the Tories are in a much better position.
'Looking Fierce Shook' . Who changed the thread title? We really do have a fine turn of phrase over here don't we? Brilliant.
. Who changed the thread title? We really do have a fine turn of phrase over here don't we? Brilliant.It is laughable isn't it? All this guff about "wanting to be more electable" and the great abstainers have seemingly nominated the most boring person in British politics as their great hope for the future.
No-one's as boring as Jez. She's actually a pretty good Commons performer, as well.
They should've known the second he was elected. He took over from a man whose dead father was slandered by a National paper, who then lost an election by eating a sandwich badly. Only realising now is a coup-worthy offense in itself!
Again, whilst partly true (and trust me, I'm relatively pro-Corbyn as things go, just ask @MikeUpNorth) the very fact it's such an easily misquotable statement is a worry all it's own. Arguing over whether he meant an Islamic State or the Islamic state is an entry level headache, easily avoided with any small modicum of common sense or tact. This isn't the Student Union newsletter, it's a statement by the Parliamentary leader of the opposition! The very fact he chose to mention Israel and any variety of hypothetical Islamic States in the same sentence, let alone at all, during a conference addressing anti-semitism within the Labour party, should've been a fog horn in the ears of any semi-conscious public relations team, however overworked and coke addled.
It was a potential clusterfeck of contextual tone deafness waiting to happen, which shouldn't have been allowed to.
Shami said she saw it before he spoke and thought it fine. She's really angry about how this has been twisted. I don't blame her.
If you're inspired by Angela Eagle, my next door neighbour has a tortoise that will blow your mind. Sometimes it can move up to a metre in an hour.
I'd possibly consider backing Shami for leader. Definitely her over any of our esteemed abstainers.
Not a bad idea! She's been a member for 2 months now... maybe she can replace one of the outgoing MPs. Doubt she would want to though.
It shouldn't have been even quasi-twistable, given the context. There were a million and one ways to convey that same message without using the most inflammable words imaginable to the anti-semitism lobby, however innocently.
I don't doubt for a second that he meant them innocuously, but his potential altruism is secondary to his conclusive amateurism. Sure, he's been forced to fight an uphill battle in a game rigged against him, but if he wants to prove he can lead the party forward, these are exactly the kind of gaffs, real or imagined, that he shouldn't be making right now.
And again, this is from someone who thinks the coup is only damaging the party further.
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Not having been part of this shit show would be a huge positive for her. That and the fact she's fecking brilliant.
New poll of Labour members, has Corbyn 50-47. Winnable.
The Eagle soars. Always knew she was a good egg.
Oh, God. I was largely not giving a toss but if these puns are a sign of an Angela shaped future, then I'm Corbyn all the way.
Aye she has all the qualities to be an excellent MP but I'm not sure she has the will. Incredibly intelligent, likeable, charismatic and principled.
The only poll that matters is the membership vote. If Corbyn keeps his nerve he will pull through.
Not against Eagle to be fair, just 'would vote for/wouldn't vote for'. Massive drop for him compared to last one though in both vote share and approval. More say he should resign now than lead Labour into next GE.
Exactly. Irrespective of what you think of Corbyn's political views, Corbyn is completely incompetent to be the leader of a major political party.
@Ubik Do you think if Corbyn had resigned, at the same time as Cameron, saying he'd lost an important vote and felt he should go, that someone rather more credible than Angela Eagle would've put their name up? Is it the fear of the backlash, that is stopping those who, in the longer term, aim to lead the party?
Good news regardless.
I think definitely, yeah. It would be political suicide if you challenge Corbyn and lose, and if he doesn't resign then we don't really know what the membership would do. I imagine the genuine candidates see it as too much of a risk.
If a snap election is called the leader of neither party is going to be in a good position no matter what the election results are. Labour or the pro-EU Conservatives negotiating a different deal with Europe, or Leave Cons doing the same while spinning it as an actual leave vote.
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This is my feeling. Which is why I wanted him to resign, straight away, and why I don't see the point in him going now - he can't go now without it being obvious he was forced out and angering his supporters.
Yeah definitely, there'd be a proper contest. People don't want to put themselves forward for the 1-on-1 when it's known how strong he's been with the membership and a loss would wreck their future prospects. Eagle has nothing to lose, is widely respected within the PLP and has a chance of flipping the unions, good personal story etc. As I said a few days back, she's far from my ideal candidate but would at least be able to pick from all MPs to form a front bench, is better in the chamber than Corbyn, trained economist.
Eagle wouldn't win a haircut competition against Boris in her own campaign office. Her Iraq vote and high profile coup rep will doom her before she even gets a word out. Yet I am pretty fascinated by who's been puffing her up behind the scenes, to the point where she genuinely seems to believe she can win a leadership battle (against a cult youth figure, no less) let alone a potential GE, from the outside Foinavon position.
This is my problem with the coup, and why I still can't get behind it, even though I'm basically begging them, mouth open and legs splayed, to convince me. If the purpose is to oust Corbyn in favour of a more electable candidate for a snap election, then what barmy, off kilter, deaf, dumb, blind and pinball logic says Angela fecking Eagle can improve on Corbyn's popularity?...Let alone unite the party and win round the public!?
Is everyone in Westminster making their decisions with those origami paper fortune tellers girls in the 90s had in primary school?
This is my problem with the coup, and why I still can't get behind it, even though I'm basically begging them, mouth open and legs splayed, to convince me. If the purpose is to oust Corbyn in favour of a more electable candidate for a snap election, then what barmy, off kilter, deaf, dumb, blind and pinball logic says Angela fecking Eagle can improve on Corbyn's popularity?...Let alone unite the party and win round the public!?
Is everyone in Westminster making their decisions with those origami paper fortune tellers girls in the 90s had in primary school?
good post Mock.
Now you're just trying to excite us.
Labour are missing the opportunity of a generation: while they should be thrashing the Government for the mess the country is in or proposing their own BrExit Britain plan, they are instead engaging in egotistical navel gazing and self sabotage almost as severe as BrExit itself.
Corbyn sadly is unelectable. And that is solely due to his lack of communication skills: despite his laudable values and opinions he failed to effectively heckle the PM on a broad range of issues from the parliamentary benches, failed to convince enough labour voters to vote remain, failed to communicate his ideas to his party, failed to inspire his party MPs and probably most damning, he just looks a mess. A leader in British politics needs to look the part to be taken seriously: if you dress like the geography teacher, you'll be treated as one.
Am surprised Milliband senior is not being touted for a comeback. Labour needs a very experienced wise head to lead them out of this abyss.
Corbyn sadly is unelectable. And that is solely due to his lack of communication skills: despite his laudable values and opinions he failed to effectively heckle the PM on a broad range of issues from the parliamentary benches, failed to convince enough labour voters to vote remain, failed to communicate his ideas to his party, failed to inspire his party MPs and probably most damning, he just looks a mess. A leader in British politics needs to look the part to be taken seriously: if you dress like the geography teacher, you'll be treated as one.
Am surprised Milliband senior is not being touted for a comeback. Labour needs a very experienced wise head to lead them out of this abyss.
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And then the party will split.
But they got to call for Tony Blair to face trial for war crimes, totally worth it.