Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Yeah im surprised by the Lewis move but i don't believe they'll be a change on Trident so it could turn out to be shrewd.

He's one of the more media savy members of the shadow cabinet so get him in front of cameras as much as possible.

Was really hoping Abbot would be sacrificed for the sake of logic and unity but personal loyalities have guided that one it seems.
 
Shami Chakrabarti as shadow AG?

Her recent role as head of the anti-Semitism inquiry, and the ensuing peerage controversy, can't but give such an appointment a bit of a whiff.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Shami Chakrabarti as shadow AG?

Her recent role as head of the anti-Semitism inquiry, and the ensuing peerage controversy, can't but give such an appointment a bit of a whiff.
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The inquiry was a pretty accurate portrayal with some fair suggestions. It has unsurprisingly been leapt upon in right-wing quarters as a whitewash. I admit that the peerage and AG promotion doesn't help counter such suggestions but objectively she is a great appointment as shadow AG

And your lot actually have Liam Fox in charge of trade deals
 
Smores said:
Are we on ultra-left now? :lol:

This is as bold as Rooney claiming he wouldnt rule out a move to Barcelona. Still the sole purpose of the Lib Dems seems to be to moan about Labour being lefty and ineffective so perhaps he could join them.
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Brilliant:lol::lol::lol:
 
Untied said:
The inquiry was a pretty accurate portrayal with some fair suggestions. It has unsurprisingly been leapt upon in right-wing quarters as a whitewash. I admit that the peerage and AG promotion doesn't help counter such suggestions but objectively she is a great appointment as shadow AG

And your lot actually have Liam Fox in charge of trade deals
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Hey, i appreciated the influence of Liberty during her tenure, however these string of appointments are very 'old politics' indeed.

Fox would be better back at the MoD, but he is at least a committed Eurosceptic (unlike his more recent convert at the FCO ;)).
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Hey, i appreciated the influence of Liberty during her tenure, however these string of appointments are very 'old politics' indeed.

Fox would be better back at the MoD, but he is at least a committed Eurosceptic (unlike his more recent convert at the FCO ;)).
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It doesn't look great, I'm happy to admit that. I just think it's actually a good appointment.

I don't think there's any senior cabinet position best for Fox given his past, but the Werritty access/lobbyist funding seems precisely the sort of behaviour that a trade minister should not have a history of. May's first cabinet was fairly bizarre though (pissing off Cameroons and Osbornites - is there a more catchy noun for that which I've forgotten?)
 
It's been almost 2 months since the Guardian first published the story that led to "traingate". Today they admit that they distorted the story they were given - and have corrected it. Had they told the truth in the first place, "traingate" may not have been a thing. Still, a lot of papers were sold.
 
DenisIrwin said:
It's been almost 2 months since the Guardian first published the story that led to "traingate". Today they admit that they distorted the story they were given - and have corrected it. Had they told the truth in the first place, "traingate" may not have been a thing. Still, a lot of papers were sold.
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http://uk.businessinsider.com/guardian-story-jeremy-corbyn-no-seat-on-train-wrong-2016-10

Not supring in the least. The Guardian really is a centrist/liberal paper(It only looks left wing because of how right wing the others are), so it's no surprise that it's actively trying to harm a Left wing Labour Party.
 
DenisIrwin said:
It's been almost 2 months since the Guardian first published the story that led to "traingate". Today they admit that they distorted the story they were given - and have corrected it. Had they told the truth in the first place, "traingate" may not have been a thing. Still, a lot of papers were sold.
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Sweet Square said:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/guardian-story-jeremy-corbyn-no-seat-on-train-wrong-2016-10

Not supring in the least. The Guardian really is a centrist/liberal paper(It only looks left wing because of how right wing the others are), so it's no surprise that it's actively trying to harm a Left wing Labour Party.
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Chadwick's investigation also showed that the two authors of the story were Labour activists, not objective reporters. Freelancer Yannis Mendez was being paid by the Corbyn leadership election campaign, and "Charles B Anthony" was a fake name for his friend Anthony Casey, who "is a passionate Corbyn supporter."

Always best to read the whole article.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Chadwick's investigation also showed that the two authors of the story were Labour activists, not objective reporters. Freelancer Yannis Mendez was being paid by the Corbyn leadership election campaign, and "Charles B Anthony" was a fake name for his friend Anthony Casey, who "is a passionate Corbyn supporter."

Always best to read the whole article.
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Oops my bad. I've actual read it wrong(The criticism is of the the video itself and not the reporting afterwards). I mean it's still earlier in the morning here.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Chadwick's investigation also showed that the two authors of the story were Labour activists, not objective reporters. Freelancer Yannis Mendez was being paid by the Corbyn leadership election campaign, and "Charles B Anthony" was a fake name for his friend Anthony Casey, who "is a passionate Corbyn supporter."

Always best to read the whole article.
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It's a fascinating read on the state and standards of much contemporary journalism

And I suspect much of the criticism applies to the follow up - the original video was not criticially assessed, nor was Virgin's PR briefing.

If journalism had occurred, the "-gate" never would have.

I find it astonishing that an article written by a Corbyn campaigner would appear (unpaid) on the Guardian website and on page 4 of the print version with a standard byline.
 
Untied said:
I find it astonishing that an article written by a Corbyn campaigner would appear (unpaid) on the Guardian website and on page 4 of the print version with a standard byline.
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So you are trying to mitigate the stupidity of the Corbyn camp with the journalistic standard at The Guardian?

They use mostly freelance writers now anyway. I am not sure on the remuneration policy though.
 
Interesting story from Private Eye that the Guardian's editor has directed that Corbyn news should be "balanced" - to avoid criticism any negative story must be offset by a positive. That would likely explain why this was published.
 
Sweet Square said:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/guardian-story-jeremy-corbyn-no-seat-on-train-wrong-2016-10

Not supring in the least. The Guardian really is a centrist/liberal paper(It only looks left wing because of how right wing the others are), so it's no surprise that it's actively trying to harm a Left wing Labour Party.
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They're a liberal paper trying to undermine Labour at every step. Same way Fallon pops up every now and again just to have a go.

No surprise Guardian spun the story at all. As much as i rely on the Guardian for news only their opinion peices are really worth reading.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
So you are trying to mitigate the stupidity of the Corbyn camp with the journalistic standard at The Guardian?

They use mostly freelance writers now anyway. I am not sure on the remuneration policy though.
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Would you like to spell out what that stupidity is, because it seems to me the Guardian removing the reference to Corbyn eventually being seated, and failing to contact either Corbyn or Virgin for comment, is at the core of the entire ensuing controversy
 


fecks sake Corbyn

(Speaking at an SWP event that he claimed to be boycotting)
 
712 said:
Give me someone who admits they're wrong any day. It's the 'I'm always right' brigade that are bleeding dangerous.
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Cheers.
Smores said:
They're a liberal paper trying to undermine Labour at every step. Same way Fallon pops up every now and again just to have a go.

No surprise Guardian spun the story at all. As much as i rely on the Guardian for news only their opinion peices are really worth reading.
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Yeah he talked Blair and New Labour a lot during the Lib Dem conference, but it was so on the noise that it looked rather pathetic. Be interesting to see how the Lib Dem do in the next election(Whenever that is)as it seems both they and the centrist of the Labour Party have leant nothing from the crash of 08.
 
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fecks sake Corbyn

(Speaking at an SWP event that he claimed to be boycotting)
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I appreciate that I am not the man's biggest fan, but is this actually an SWP event? The flyers and adverts I saw didn't mention the SWP, and other speakers included Lord Dubs and Sally Hunt from UCU and Malia Bouattia from the NUS.
 
Okay scratch that, a perfunctory Google search shows that it is an SWP sponsored event, but they have done their best to mask that fact.

And the chair of the SWP supported Stand Up to Racism? Our new Shadow Home Secretary.
 
Back in the 70s there were dozens of left groups constantly forming, reforming, and generally hating each other as much as the capitalist 'enemy'; marxists, trots, communists, international socialists etc.
It's one reason why Life of Brian was so brilliant, it took the piss out of the endless schisms of both religious and left-wing loons at the same time.
 
That was avoidable, I think. However, a positive is that they have not given lengthy resignation letters or statements, so there is a possibility for damage limitation and rebuilding.
 
Dobba said:
No worries. I'm sure the Tories will put forward another horrendous bill, that they can all abstain on, soon enough.
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I appreciate that the welfare bill has now taken on a life of its own, and that all is fair in politics, but the abstentions were only on a second reading of a bill which contained a great deal of the manifesto Labour had stood on three months previously. The strategy of abstaining on second reading and defeating the more egregious measures on third reading is sound parliamentary politics.

Still, kudos to Corbyn and his team for seizing the narrative. And I do mean that. I just hope that now he is leading the opposition some nuance is exercised when faced with similar types of proposals, I stead of blanket opposition.
 
Frosty said:
I appreciate that the welfare bill has now taken on a life of its own, and that all is fair in politics, but the abstentions were only on a second reading of a bill which contained a great deal of the manifesto Labour had stood on three months previously. The strategy of abstaining on second reading and defeating the more egregious measures on third reading is sound parliamentary politics.

Still, kudos to Corbyn and his team for seizing the narrative. And I do mean that. I just hope that now he is leading the opposition some nuance is exercised when faced with similar types of proposals, I stead of blanket opposition.
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It was nothing more than an attempt to look "tough on scroungers", just look at the comments the great abstainers like Caroline Flint, ******* Harman and Rachel Reeves made at the time and since. The Tories didn't sneak the horrendous shit into the bill while they were looking the other way.
 
Dobba said:
It was nothing more than an attempt to look "tough on scroungers", just look at the comments the great abstainers like Caroline Flint, ******* Harman and Rachel Reeves made at the time and since. The Tories didn't sneak the horrendous shit into the bill while they were looking the other way.
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I don't question that some comments were unhelpful to say the least. However the same Bill contained provision for 3 million apprenticeships, which was lifted from the Labour manifesto, as well as other measures. Nuance in approaching legislation as an opposition can be more effective than all out opposition. Just look at the Republicans in the US as an example.

Anyway, the narrative is what it is now.
 
Frosty said:
I don't question that some comments were unhelpful to say the least. However the same Bill contained provision for 3 million apprenticeships, which was lifted from the Labour manifesto, as well as other measures. Nuance in approaching legislation as an opposition can be more effective than all out opposition. Just look at the Republicans in the US as an example.

Anyway, the narrative is what it is now.
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Those other measures, based on Harman's 'reasoned amendment', included the benefits cap. On the subject of the amendment it made absolutely no reference to the proposal to limit the child tax credits to two children (set to cost hundreds of thousands of families support by 2020/21) so their hill was hardly worth dying on in the first place.

If they didn't panic on realising their enormous misreading of the party membership and start talking about regretting their choice in abstaining or that protecting the vulnerable is one of their personal principles, I'd buy this claim of nuance. Other than Rachel Reeves of course who has decided to nosedive a little deeper into the gutter ever since.
 
Dobba said:
Those other measures, based on Harman's 'reasoned amendment', included the benefits cap. On the subject of the amendment it made absolutely no reference to the proposal to limit the child tax credits to two children (set to cost hundreds of thousands of families support by 2020/21) so their hill was hardly worth dying on in the first place.

If they didn't panic on realising their enormous misreading of the party membership and start talking about regretting their choice in abstaining or that protecting the vulnerable is one of their personal principles, I'd buy this claim of nuance. Other than Rachel Reeves of course who has decided to nosedive a little deeper into the gutter ever since.
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The leadership certainly rowed back after membership backlash, yes. Some backbenchers are still explaining the nuanced approach too, which shouldn't be conflated with Harman et al's approach.

There is a bigger issue here of course, especially given the direction of the party at present. The Bill had support from the public based on polling. Labour were seen as favouring the "feckless and workshy" before the last election. What Miliband failed to do (and what Corbyn has a chance to do now) is explain how a stronger welfare state doesn't simply mean hand outs to all.

That's the real challenge here, especially with a hostile media.
 
sun_tzu said:
She boxes... probably more "sporty" than most mp's
Though something in health would be the most obvious fit she has very limited experience so sport seems a decent fit
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Likewise, I would have thought health would surely have been better. Especially as she supported the doctors strikes.
 


This just adds to the list of smaller issues that will be used against Corbyn later on, and there really is no need for it. In some ways he has improved as a leader, yet this sort of stuff just seems engrained in him.


 
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