Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Largely true. Throw in someone who's got his economic agenda (albeit with more clarity and certainty), but take away figures like McDonnell and Abbott, and take away the whole dodgy background in regards to the likes of Hamas and the IRA etc, and such a candidate would probably stand a decent chance of winning.
Surely this is the problem though - and what put me off Corbyn before anything else did. His public relations, ability to convey a message and coherently argue for his point of view on a national scale is dreadful. He's a decent campaigner and clearly his stump speech resonates with the crowds that come to see him, but in his role as the leader of a political party he's been dreadful. The Brexit campaign should be exhibits A-Z for this point - he managed to convince remain voters he was against the EU, with leave voters the opposite. At best he seemed uninterested in arguably the most important economic issue for a generation.

That then ignores issues with his past comments on certain left wing dictators, the IRA, Falklands, Trident etc, which only make him unelectable in the U.K. Then there's making McDonnell and Abbott the next two faces of the party...

It's not just a debate of pragmatism v idealism. He's also pretty crap at his job.
 
Iirc, it was Kuesenberg that said something along those lines around the time May's team was accused of "locking local reporters in a small room" in Cornwall. And yes, it is indeed scary that the BBC is seen as anti-Corbyn. It is scary because it is demonstrably factual.
Yes it was. She was also the reporter who misrepresented his comments on the shoot to kill policy.
 
What did he say that was very damning? Maybe he could find more damning things to say about Boris, or Cameron, or, let's see... May?

If you're wanting me to say more damning things about them, then yeah, fair enough. I'll give you a 10,000 fecking word essay. But I don't think that exempts the Corbyn wing of the party. For what it's worth I don't even dislike him, and give me a run-off between him and May then I'd vote for him in an instant...but still, I don't think he should be excused for his pretty obvious failings as leader, or some dodgy views he holds.
 
Oh when will the Labour Party cater to these people again? Please resign Jeremy. Pretty please.



I'm not sure you really want to go down this route, Piers Corbyn tweets some pretty out there stuff.
 
Of course he has to say he will stay, especially to a media who have been asking if he will resign from practically the day he won the leadership election. If he said anything else, all the media would talk about for the next 5 weeks is who is taking over, not any policies and certainly not may once again having press locked away from her.

They will never, of course, ask May the same question.
 


It's a good job that rule temporarily lapsed a few weeks back so Blair could go on BBC Radio and tell people to vote tactically, including against Labour.

Also lapsed for Clive Lewis, don't forget.
 
Is it? I don't think so. His reaction to anti-semitism in his own party has been lukewarm at best, he openly admitted on having had contact to Paul Eisen and having donated to his organisation. That's a guy calling himself a holocaust denier with proud.

Combine that with his rather partisan views on the middle eastern conflict and his constant refusal to openly speak out against anti-semitism, that's enough for me.
He might not be an anti semit by heart, but he's near enough the line and tolerating enough stuff for me to despise him deeply.

That's because there hasn't been any anti-semitism in his party barring a tweet from a school girl not yet of voting age who would go onto be a Labour councilor who I believe got banned from the party. Every other anti-semitism allegation were criticisms of the state of Israel during the 2014 massacre in Gaza. For the record the literature Naz Shah reposted was authored by a Jewish man.
 
. As you were the one claiming that Corbyns contact to Eisen was peripherical: Why would you have ANY contact with someone like that? Is there any reason?.

A photograph has been produced of a memorial event which the Mail claims was run by Eisen. However, as this 2013 email sent out by the Palestinian Authority’s UK Mission shows, there was nothing in the advertising about the Holocaust and nothing naming Eisen. There were certainly no links to his blog.

Indeed, even on the Deir Yassin Remembered website, Eisen is not named on the contact page, the About page or the Board of Advisors page.

The page misleadingly includes several people as advisors who resigned after some of the the group’s troubling associations became clear.

This includes the Palestinian-American novelist Susan Abulhawa, who stepped down after Eisen wrote an anti-Semitic post on his blog.

The site of an infamous historical massacre of Palestinian civilians, Deir Yassin was a Palestinian village invaded and destroyed by Zionist militias before the establishment of Israel.

Corbyn was therefore not the only person misled by Deir Yassin Remembered, as detailed in recent blog posts by long standing Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) activists Diane Langford and Tony Greenstein.

The Jewish Socialist journalist Charlie Pottins recounts on his blog the real story of Paul Eisen’s transformation. As he puts it: “if Jeremy Corbyn attended annual events commemorating the Deir Yassin massacre, where is the evidence that he or anybody else at these events thought they were there to support Holocaust denial?”

Finally, it’s worth noting that, as Greenstein recounts, Corbyn was present, as PSC patron, at the 2012 PSC conference where a Holocaust denier was expelled by a massive majority.
 
dunno who mentioned her in last few pages, lost track sorry, but...

I don't see Long-Bailey as the answer for presentation - delivery - electability, atm. Got a droning-on situation to address for me, Clive.
 
Noam Chomsky said:
"If I were a voter in Britain, I would vote for him (Corbyn)” said Chomsky

“There are various reasons for that – partly an extremely hostile media, partly his own personal style which I happen to like but perhaps that doesn’t fit with the current mood of the electorate,”

“He’s quiet, reserved, serious, he’s not a performer. The parliamentary Labour party has been strongly opposed to him. It has been an uphill battle.”

“If he had a fair treatment from the media – that would make a big difference.”

 
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Who better to advise on how Labour can win back working class voters in the post-industrial towns and cities of provincial Britain than an old leftist Ivy League kook with no experience of working class Britain, or working class America for that matter.
 
Who better to advise on how Labour can win back working class voters in the post-industrial towns and cities of provincial Britain than an old leftist Ivy League kook with no experience of working class Britain, or working class America for that matter.

Yeah what qualification has this Russian guy got to give his opinion anyway?
 
I like Chomsky but he's just an academic. I find it bizarre how much weight his opinions are given. Some things he makes good arguments for and others the complete opposite. Also a bit of meme at this point - I'm half expecting to see him (in the article) blame US airstrikes for Corbyns lack of support.
 
Who better to advise on how Labour can win back working class voters in the post-industrial towns and cities of provincial Britain than an old leftist Ivy League kook with no experience of working class Britain, or working class America for that matter.

The same kook that is pretty much objectively regarded as one of the greatest minds of our time and has been writing on world events for 60 years in an almost prophetic and uncanny manner?

But no let's go with the genius minds at The Sun and Co.
 
Who better to advise on how Labour can win back working class voters in the post-industrial towns and cities of provincial Britain than an old leftist Ivy League kook with no experience of working class Britain, or working class America for that matter.

Firstly, that's a solid ad hominem.

Secondly, this "kook" is likely more intelligent than each of us and wiser than each of us combined. But it offends your preconceived opinions, so we'll just dismiss it out-of-hand as the ramblings of a kook. Sure.
 
The same kook that is pretty much objectively regarded as one of the greatest minds of our time and has been writing on world events for 60 years in an almost prophetic and uncanny manner?

But no let's go with the genius minds at The Sun and Co.

Look, people aren't interested in experts ok. We've been over this before...
 
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Has to be Rachel Reeves.
 
The fact he pretty much wants to rid us of our defences against the world.
That's not in the manifesto that we've seen. It commits to defence spending at 2% and pledges to replace Trident.
 
I'm not convinced. He's made it clear before about how he doesn't like using our defences.
Sure, but that's more a longstanding view about Corbyn himself rather than the manifesto.