Nothing has changed since the last conference.
No idea why people are expecting Labour to support/oppose a Tory position that doesn't seem to exist yet.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Moe money for Sure Start - Yes
The idea of lifelong learning, the motive behind the NES - Yes
Scrapping tuition fees - No
An end to academies - No
Just a quick verdict on some of what i've heard from the Labour conference.
When i was listening to Angela Rayner on LBC earlier this evening i thought she came across quite well. That speech from the summer where it was 'comrade' in every flipping sentence, not so much. lol
The idea of lifelong learning, the motive behind the NES - Yes
Scrapping tuition fees - No
An end to academies - No
Just a quick verdict on some of what i've heard from the Labour conference.
When i was listening to Angela Rayner on LBC earlier this evening i thought she came across quite well. That speech from the summer where it was 'comrade' in every flipping sentence, not so much. lol
Loved that Corbyn speech. Love even more the fact it's annoyed everyone it should have done.
A very good speech, at this stage its just about keeping the momentum and Corbyn 'likability' going and on that it was fit for pupose. Nothing substantial that we haven't heard before though.
Isn't Corbyn just a bit like Homer Simpson when he ran for trash commissioner? Making a load of false promises about what he'll do but he'll not really keep any of those promises if he gets elected.
Watching literally the first few moments of his speech and politics has genuinely become like WWE. fecking cringeworthy.
I'd take Corbyn over any Tories for sure but dear me, I'm skeptical as hell about him.
I'd take Corbyn over any Tories for sure but dear me, I'm skeptical as hell about him.
Oh I think he will try and deliver on his promises. I dont doubt his sincerity. The problem, as McDonnell tacitly acknowledged already, is how "the establishment" responds: collapse of the pound, capital flight, investment dries up. The economy flatlines and everybody, especially the people he intends to help, suffers.
Have these ideas of his been tried and led to any other result, anywhere?
I wonder what McDonnell's War game scenario planning actually involves for when Labour win the next election and all the money disappears, out of the country, maybe its a 'cliff edge' scenario like Theresa's Brexit?
Don't give up your day job yet Vince Cable, the sunlit uplands might be calling you yet, just keep away from mentioning 'broken promises'!
Don't give up your day job yet Vince Cable, the sunlit uplands might be calling you yet, just keep away from mentioning 'broken promises'!
I havent actually watched all the speeches but I read Paul Mason said it was going to be hellish "for six months". Which implies if they just wait it out, once all the capitalist scumbags realise they cant bully the UK government theyll come back with their tails between their legs - and pay up their taxes.
Hopefully McDonnell's war gaming envisaged something a bit more realistic.
Hopefully McDonnell's war gaming envisaged something a bit more realistic.
Yes, you can't help laughing can you?
In any case I thought the whole point of war game planning was to do it, but keep it secret that you were doing it, because McDonnell is bound to be plague by the press about this for months "Well John what exactly would you do in those circumstances, its not hypothetical because you're the one who raised the issue"
Slam Dunk John! Just when you thought it was safe to go out, go join Theresa on the naughty (own foot in mouth) step!
Have I missed something as didn't we just have an election and Conversatives are still in power so what's with all the talk for another election with promises of Brexit? Confused
A minority government with no Brexit plan, leaning on the DUP. I guess people feel there is something inherently unstable about that and there's a good chance this government could fall in the next few months.
Of course then this "jobs-first Brexit" nonsense will come under a bit of scrutiny and itll become clear that Labour have no better idea of how to get us out of the EU than the Tories do. But it probably wont be talked about quite as much as there'll be some other things going on with the economy at that point which may prove quite distracting.
It's genuinely frightening how the centre has collapsed in British politics, leaving the agenda to be driven by the hard right of the Tory party and the hard left of Labour. The latter's ideals might sound slightly more palatable but Corbyn is promising unicorns just as much as the rabid Brexit fantasists. Watching him on Andrew Marr at the weekend was to hear "spend", "spend", "invest", "spend" on loop, while I note today he is promising unimpeded access to the single market despite sounding much more lukewarm about the benefits on Sunday.
This whole mess is on Cameron's face. He called a referendum on leaving the EU and then after we voted yes to leave (and I say "we" as in the majority and hence get on with it) he decides that it's a good time to retire from politics instead of standing up and finishing the job. Now we've got a government in crisis and worst case scenario of an idiot who might win the next election who will sign anything the EU wants us to.
As for Cameron, he's worse than that crusty stinky cheese you get on the tip of your penis when you haven't washed for a week
As for Cameron, he's worse than that crusty stinky cheese you get on the tip of your penis when you haven't washed for a week
Frightening but understandable, the 'centre' kept getting narrower and narrower and nobody in that increasing elite grouping noticed, to busy being politically correct maybe, or was it just being smug?
Apart from the chant, get in labour. feck centrist politics.
The speech lasted 90 minutes 
To be fair it must be great soaking in the applause from an echo chamber for that long when you're promising the world and they believe it.
To be fair it must be great soaking in the applause from an echo chamber for that long when you're promising the world and they believe it.Maybe it's the reporting, but whether it be Grenfell or this latest story Dent Coad is worryingly prone to stupidity. Not that such is justification for any criminal abuse through social media of course.
Speaking of which...
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I'm a bit out of touch due to my location (obviously). But why has the Corbyn for PM bandwagon suddenly started again? It sounds like May has stabilised (politically) and there's absolutely zero chance of a fresh election in the near future.
Or is this all just chatter for when there will be an election (c.5 years away?)
Or is this all just chatter for when there will be an election (c.5 years away?)
It'll be sooner than five years i reckon, but not this Autumn either. We had some open political manoeuvring surrounding May's Florence speech of course, however the PM is still useful where she is for now (post-Brexit i'd like to see one of the 2010/15 generation become leader). The increased attention this week is mostly down to it being conference season.
Got it thanks and yeah as I thought - just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed anything big!
Need to be frugal with the joy taken from these complete cnuts losing their minds over Corbyn's speech, or it'll re-open the debate into legal highs.
What's he promised that he no intention of delivering this time?
Has he told the students he is going to cancel all student debt (again) pinkie swear honest this time for reals?
50% pay rise for nurses?
Free rail travel for lesbians?
Has he told the students he is going to cancel all student debt (again) pinkie swear honest this time for reals?
50% pay rise for nurses?
Free rail travel for lesbians?
Don't be silly. Just buying out all the PFIs and buying out shareholders of the former nationalised industries. With bonds, which don't cost anything, apparently.
Apart from rail TOCs, where to be fair you can let the franchises run out. Still the rolling stock owners to be paid though. Probably with more bonds.
When you see a Travel Agents that hasn't been nationalised
I watched the beast's speech today and by heck was he was in fine form!
As i often do i've listened to both the New Statesman and Guardian podcasts this week, and neither touches on the economic questions which surround Labour's manifesto.
Additionally, there was a rep from a teachers' union on Fivelive saying that they expect blanket 5% salary increase. Do they care about the most precariously situated of their staff or not?
Additionally, there was a rep from a teachers' union on Fivelive saying that they expect blanket 5% salary increase. Do they care about the most precariously situated of their staff or not?
G'wan Jezza!
it was a great speech, he still comes across like he is offering everyone everything! How is that going to play out when/if he gets into power?
Becuase A, no matter how rich a country we are it isn't an endless supply of money, and B some of of his idea seem in direct conflict with each other! for example his environmental policy and his new house building policy, a lot of the area's where new houses(not to mention roads and infrastructure) are most needed are in area's surrounded by green belts national parks ....... so is he going to ignore these areas or is he going to ignore the environment?
Add to that he still seems under the illusion he won the last election, when labour lost despite the fact the Tory party fought the worst campaign possibly ever seen in British politics.
Plus his plans for Brexit as so vague they make May's look concrete and well thought out.
But hey it was a great speech and i will be voting for him again next time, i would just prefer a bit more realism going forward.
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Granted its a pro Left/Labour panel but it's worth a watch(Starts around the 10 min mark)
Now granted its pro Left/Labour panel but it's worth a watch.
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Kuennsberg interviews Jezza.
Kuennsberg interviews Jezza.
When you see a Travel Agents that hasn't been nationalised
I don't get the rail nationalisation argument, in all honesty. I've never been on a train and thought "This service would be far more efficient, cheaper and more enjoyable if civil servants were in charge."
Definitely think there should be government stakes in utilities.