Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Yes, just some random politician with no national profile and without any history of hanging out with anti-semites of the exact type that make up the membership of this group - which he mysteriously left just after getting a massive promotion :rolleyes:
All the utter shit bags Corbyn has met at various campaigns and meetings(Or hanging out as you call it) has been for one propose for the rights of Palestinians. He's not actual a anti semite and if you do think that then cheers for wasting both our time.


The story is worth noting but it is about man who didn't routinely check a Facebook page(Another major factor as to why people don't care about this story).
 
The story is about man who didn't routinely check a Facebook page(Another major factor as to why people don't care about this story).

Then this is also the story of a man who didn't check out Hezbollah's and Hamas's explicit Jew hatred before referring to them as friends right?
 
All the utter shit bags Corbyn has met at various campaigns and meetings(Or hanging out as you call it) has been for one propose for the rights of Palestinians

Right, thank you, this is exactly what I've been arguing - he doesn't care about moving in these circles as he thinks the bigger cause is more important. Is that not a position worth some serious debate? Would we ignore that argument coming from a politician of different political leanings?

He's not actual a anti semite and if you do think that then cheers for wasting both our time

It's definitely a waste of your time if you're going to post without reading what I've explicitly spelled out in my replies to you.
 
Right. So you missed the page-long "Definition of antisemitism" used in the report at the very start of each part?

Read it, its trying very hard to pretend this is not about defending Israel


Tell me, what did you think of the part that showed the founder of the group posting links to articles by Gilad Atzmon and posting comments supportive of him? Any thoughts on the fact the Atzmon was one of the first members of the group?

For those who don't know, this is Gilad Atzmon:

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Here he is blaming Grenfell on the Jews:

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There are crazies all over the internet
 
Read it, its trying very hard to pretend this is not about defending Israel

No, it does the exact opposite:

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There are crazies all over the internet

Indeed there are. I expected to find Cafe members defending Corbyn on the basis that he was completely unaware of the nature of the group - that is certainly possible although I find it implausible personally. I didn't expect to find anyone here defending the actual group.
 
No, it does the exact opposite:

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Like I said, pretending

Indeed there are. I expected to find Cafe members defending Corbyn on the basis that he was completely unaware of the nature of the group - that is certainly possible although I find it implausible personally. I didn't expect to find anyone here defending the actual group.

I wouldn't take the word of a fanatical defender of Israel to be a full reflection of the group
 
Right, thank you, this is exactly what I've been arguing - he doesn't care about moving in these circles as he thinks the bigger cause is more important.
Well in this case he claims to have no idea of Facebook pages posting anti semitic stuff.

Would we ignore that argument coming from a politician of different political leanings?

It would depend on what they were arguing. It's pretty clear Corbyn wants a peaceful solution to the ''conflict'' between Israel and Palestine, thus in trying to get that he has met some anti semitic shit bags(I image he met some awful shits when looking for a solution 70's between Northern Ireland and England). Should this be debated, maybe if you want to but to me anyway it's a bit boring.
 
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I wouldn't take the word of a fanatical defender of Israel to be a full reflection of the group

In that case I wonder why Corbyn is so keen to now distance himself from it (and why he ever left)?

in trying to get that he has met some anti semitic shit bags

Met, stood and spoke alongside at rallies, worked for, etc.
 
In that case I wonder why Corbyn is so keen to now distance himself from it (and why he ever left)?

Met, stood and spoke alongside at rallies, worked for, etc.

Are you under the impression it would be possible to campaign and attend rallies on either side of the Palestine/Israel debate without any fringe elements saying something racist?

Never mind discussions on the internet....
 
Are you under the impression it would be possible to campaign and attend rallies on either side of the Palestine/Israel debate without any fringe elements saying something racist?

Never mind discussions on the internet....

Let me flip this and be specific - are you under the impression it would be impossible to avoid (a) working for Press TV, (b) speaking at the Quds Day rally, (c) meeting Hamas and referring to them as 'friends', and (d) being a member of a secret FB group whose founder invites notorious anti-semites like Gilad Atzmon, Ken O'Keefe and Paul Eisen to join and posts links to them and defends them, while campaigning on behalf of the Palestinian cause?
 
Let me flip this and be specific - are you under the impression it would be impossible to avoid (a) working for Press TV, (b) speaking at the Quds Day rally, (c) meeting Hamas and referring to them as 'friends', and (d) being a member of a secret FB group whose founder invites notorious anti-semites like Gilad Atzmon, Ken O'Keefe and Paul Eisen to join and posts links to them and defends them, while campaigning on behalf of the Palestinian cause?

Sure, but nothing wrong with any of them
 
Let me flip this and be specific - are you under the impression it would be impossible to avoid (a) working for Press TV, (b) speaking at the Quds Day rally, (c) meeting Hamas and referring to them as 'friends', and (d) being a member of a secret FB group whose founder invites notorious anti-semites like Gilad Atzmon, Ken O'Keefe and Paul Eisen to join and posts links to them and defends them, while campaigning on behalf of the Palestinian cause?

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Well you didn't answer my question for obvious reasons but I'll answer the one you've posed related to your original post (rather than this trolling rant you've gone on).

Yes if you're added in by someone else than yes it would be near enough impossible.
 
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Well you didn't answer my question for obvious reasons but I'll answer the one you've posed related to your original post (rather than this trolling rant you've gone on).

Yes if you're added in by someone else than yes it would be near enough impossible.

Right, to answer your question - yes of course it is possible. People like Peter Thatchell for example would be sure to avoid this crowd. The greatest and most influential advocates for the Palestinian cause - Edward Said and Noam Chomsky - were/are principled activists who somehow managed to avoid associating with anti-semites like this throughout their lives.
 
Right, to answer your question - yes of course it is possible. People like Peter Thatchell for example would be sure to avoid this crowd. The greatest and most influential advocates for the Palestinian cause - Edward Said and Noam Chomsky - were/are principled activists who somehow managed to avoid associating with anti-semites like this throughout their lives.

Edward Said died in 2003, Facebook was founded in 2004
 
Don't think Corbyn is antisemitic at all. His past associations are as much down to someone without the foresight to imagine he'll ever be held up to the scrutiny of leader of his party. But having a politician who hasn't calculated every thing he's ever said and everyone he's ever met isn't a bad thing. I think a lot of the Momentum influx in the party are definitely anti-Israeli. This doesn't make them antisemitic of course, but I think there's a fair few that don't really understand the distinction and therefore their hatred of Israel bleeds into antisemitism.

A lot of them are also relatively unschooled on the political correct way of conducting public discourse. They often seem to be quite shouty, aggressive and quick to anger. Just like the hard right are. But the hard right have been at it for years to the point where it's just a din now to most people. The hard left are the newer shouty, aggressive, angry folk in the game so their shouty, aggressive, anger is more noticeable right now. Certainly a media that skews to the right helps this perception.
 
Here another example of parts of the left and anti-Semitism. The Canary writes this article about the assassination: https://www.thecanary.co/global/wor...makes-observation-unravels-russian-spy-story/
Apparently they think this Craig Murray fella is worth quoting. One click away they link to his blog post where he writes the following:
To return to Israel. Israel has the nerve agents. Israel has Mossad which is extremely skilled at foreign assassinations. Theresa May claimed Russian propensity to assassinate abroad as a specific reason to believe Russia did it. Well Mossad has an even greater propensity to assassinate abroad. And while I am struggling to see a Russian motive for damaging its own international reputation so grieviously, Israel has a clear motivation for damaging the Russian reputation so grieviously. Russian action in Syria has undermined the Israeli position in Syria and Lebanon in a fundamental way, and Israel has every motive for damaging Russia’s international position by an attack aiming to leave the blame on Russia.

Both the Orbis and Israeli theories are speculations. But they are no more a speculation, and no more a conspiracy theory, than the idea that Vladimir Putin secretly sent agents to Salisbury to attack Skripal with a secret nerve agent. I can see absolutely no reason to believe that is a more valid speculation than the others at this point.

That is trademark modern anti-Semitism presented by conspiracy peddling bullshit artists. Unsurprisingly the canary seem to like that.
 
Here another example of parts of the left and anti-Semitism. The Canary writes this article about the assassination: https://www.thecanary.co/global/wor...makes-observation-unravels-russian-spy-story/
Apparently they think this Craig Murray fella is worth quoting. One click away they link to his blog post where he writes the following:


That is trademark modern anti-Semitism presented by conspiracy peddling bullshit artists. Unsurprisingly the canary seem to like that.
Firstly Murray used to the British ambassador to Uzbekistan but more importantly the Canary is a hack website and not representative of ''the Left'' in the UK.
 
Here is the full text of the open letter to the Labour Party by the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council.

Today, leaders of British Jewry tell Jeremy Corbyn that enough is enough. We have had enough of hearing that Jeremy Corbyn "opposes anti-Semitism", whilst the mainstream majority of British Jews, and their concerns, are ignored by him and those he leads.

There is a repeated institutional failure to properly address Jewish concerns and to tackle anti-Semitism, with the Chakrabarti Report being the most glaring example of this.

Jeremy Corbyn did not invent this form of politics, but he has had a lifetime within it, and now personifies its problems and dangers. He issues empty statements about opposing anti-Semitism, but does nothing to understand or address it. We conclude that he cannot seriously contemplate anti-Semitism, because he is so ideologically fixed within a far left worldview that is instinctively hostile to mainstream Jewish communities.

When Jews complain about an obviously anti-Semitic mural in Tower Hamlets, Corbyn of course supports the artist. Hizbollah commits terrorist atrocities against Jews, but Corbyn calls them his friends and attends pro-Hizbollah rallies in London. Exactly the same goes for Hamas. Raed Salah says Jews kill Christian children to drink their blood. Corbyn opposes his extradition and invites him for tea at the House of Commons. These are not the only cases. He is repeatedly found alongside people with blatantly anti-Semitic views, but claims never to hear or read them.

Again and again, Jeremy Corbyn has sided with anti-Semites rather than Jews. At best, this derives from the far left's obsessive hatred of Zionism, Zionists and Israel. At worst, it suggests a conspiratorial worldview in which mainstream Jewish communities are believed to be a hostile entity, a class enemy.

When Jeremy Corbyn was elected leader of the Labour Party, Jews expressed sincere and profound fears as to how such politics would impact upon their wellbeing. Our concerns were never taken seriously. Three years on, the party and British Jews are reaping the consequences.

Routine statements against anti-Semitism "and all forms of racism" get nowhere near dealing with the problem, because what distinguishes anti-Semitism from other forms of racism is the power that Jews are alleged to hold, and how they are charged with conspiring together against what is good.

This is not only historic, or about what Jeremy Corbyn did before being party leader. It is also utterly contemporary. There is literally not a single day in which Labour Party spaces, either online or in meetings, do not repeat the same fundamental anti-Semitic slanders against Jews. We are told that our concerns are faked, and done at the command of Israel and/or Zionism (whatever that means); that anti-Semitism is merely "criticism of Israel"; that we call any and all criticism of Israel "anti-Semitic"; that the Rothschilds run the world; that Isis terrorism is a fake front for Israel; that Zionists are the new Nazis; and that Zionists collaborate with Nazis.

Rightly or wrongly, Jeremy Corbyn is now the figurehead for an anti-Semitic political culture, based on obsessive hatred of Israel, conspiracy theories and fake news that is doing dreadful harm to British Jews and to the British Labour Party.

Jeremy Corbyn is the only person with the power to demand that it stops. Enough is enough.
 
They don't hate Jews, they hate Israel

I'm sorry, that's simply not true. Hamas despises Jews, as do most other militant Palestinian groups. This stance is not a secret.

From the wiki page outlining the Hamas covenant (the covenant is a public document)

The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews, without distinction of whether they are in Israel or elsewhere

While its true that there are plenty of people who genuinely oppose Israel and its policies, antisemitism in the Arab and Muslim world is hugely pervasive.
 
Is protesting those protesting anti-Semitism a good look for a party whose leader is accused of being soft an anti-Semitism?

Somehow think they didn't think this through
 
Such a shitshow, when you thought UK finally may have an opposition worth its salt he can't help himself. I supported the guy but on certain points he comes across a bit thick. Is there anyone out there who is capable of calling out torries and being sensible on most matters?
 
Such a shitshow, when you thought UK finally may have an opposition worth its salt he can't help himself. I supported the guy but on certain points he comes across a bit thick. Is there anyone out there who is capable of calling out torries and being sensible on most matters?


He comes across as someone who isn't really a leader. An idealist, maybe. Someone who might pop up on Channel 4 News occasionally and say generally agreeable things, sure. But leader? There have always been doubts for me. The constant, relentless, white noise of his cheerleaders doesn't really help either. It does come across as a little bit cultish. Especially when you get into people protesting people protesting against him. Politicians shouldn't be treated in such a sycophantic way, it's off-putting and slightly unnerving.

Protesting people because they're protesting a politician you like cannot be allowed to become the new normal. It's too weird. Thinking someone not liking someone you do is in itself reason to protest is a sign of just how far the rabbit hole we're disappearing into.
 
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Imagine if May had to apologise 3 times in a week for instances of racism in the Tory party, and then there was an anti-racism demonstration targeted at the perceived weakness at addressing racism in the Tory party, but Tory supporters turned up and held a protest the protest against racism.

Read that aloud and try to pretend that you wouldn't find those protesting against those protesting against racism to be fecking weird and distasteful.
 
It's not a cult, there's just a massive Zionist conspiracy against him, right?