Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Honest John said:
As an individual, he doesn't strike me as a deranged monster.
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His regime is despotic, no doubt about it. Not a monster, but the regime as a whole is a disgrace.

And yet Syria is a highly educated country, had relatively decent healthcare, was tolerant to Jews, Muslims, and the 5 odd million or so Christians. Pros and cons when you concede to a tyrant, but it's preferable in my view to another Iraq from whence ISIS came.
 
Cheesy said:
Against ISIS and co yes, in general no because he increases Putin's sphere of influence.
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Not significantly though. Syria, Iran and Russia are the three countries that will benefit. But Iran is on a tight leash, Russia doesn't have any installations abroad outside of Tartus in Syria, and Assad will count his lucky stars he survived.

It needs world leaders to go to Geneva and reach a settlement.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Not significantly though. Syria, Iran and Russia are the three countries that will benefit. But Iran is on a tight leash, Russia doesn't have any installations abroad outside of Tartus in Syria, and Assad will count his lucky stars he survived.

It needs world leaders to go to Geneva and reach a settlement.
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True, although I imagine the Western leaders would continue to view it in a way wherein it still represents a big victory for Putin symbolically.
 
Letting him win would appear to be the best option. But we can't let him use CW's.

In a way I think that conclusion has already been reached. The airstrikes carried out by the US/UK/France appear to be no more than a statement. The Russians were consulted behind the scenes so none of their personnel or assets were damaged. And a suitable furore in the UN and media to lend it all authenticity.
 
Cheesy said:
True, although I imagine the Western leaders would continue to view it in a way wherein it still represents a big victory for Putin symbolically.
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Yeah, that's fairly certain. It's whether or not they can spin it in a way where everyone wins.
 
Good griefz. Off with his beard.
 
Weird, I saw something yesterday about how Kate was "in Labour" so assumed she was a keen supporter of his.
 
Off with his...um...cheese.
 
berbatrick said:
Jeremy Corbyn SILENT for HOURS after Kate and William welcome royal baby
JEREMY Corbyn took more than three hours to congratulate the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the birth of their third royal baby child - a boy - at the Lindo Wing of St Mary’s Hospital, sparking frustration across social media.

Not a parody: https://www.express.co.uk/news/roya...our-live-update-hospital-Duchess-of-Cambridge
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I'm no fan of Corbatron but this is ridiculous. Who gives a shit?
 
Ladies & Gentlemen I give you the centre left of the Labour Party



Voting for Corbyn is one of the best decisions I've ever made.
 
So the nutters now think it's any business of theirs who someone else's MP is?

Nice.

Why would a party want to reselect all its sitting MPs at every election, even its leader and cabinet? It's not hard to see how absolutely fecking insane that is, is it?

This is why the Tories still enjoy decent poll ratings. Labour just look a fecking mess and its membership absolute morons.
 
Oscie said:
So the nutters now think it's any business of theirs who someone else's MP is?

Nice.
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Surely the pertinent concern here is that prominent Labour MP's are defending - instead of condemning - a Home Secretary who has resigned after being exposed as a rotten liar in a highly problematic case which has demonstrated both incompetence and malice from the government? This should be seen as a huge win for Labour - Cooper's questioning helped expose the extent to which Rudd has mislead parliament, while Corbyn and Abbott were shown to have been prescient on the issue years back. Labour MP's should be highlighting that, and any of them who're mounting some weird defence of Rudd should rightfully be getting slated by party members.
 
Oscie said:
So the nutters now think it's any business of theirs who someone else's MP is?

Nice.

Why would a party want to reselect all its sitting MPs at every election, even its leader and cabinet? It's not hard to see how absolutely fecking insane that is, is it?

This is why the Tories still enjoy decent poll ratings. Labour just look a fecking mess and its membership absolute morons.
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I was wondering how you'd use the conservative scandal to attack Jezza.
 
Those bloody nutters wanting Labour MPs to defend their issues, rather than the careers of cretinous ministers in opposition parties, who play a massive part in a national scandal and then repeatedly lie about it. Boo them. Boo them all.
 
Cheesy said:
Surely the pertinent concern here is that prominent Labour MP's are defending - instead of condemning - a Home Secretary who has resigned after being exposed as a rotten liar in a highly problematic case which has demonstrated both incompetence and malice from the government? This should be seen as a huge win for Labour - Cooper's questioning helped expose the extent to which Rudd has mislead parliament, while Corbyn and Abbott were shown to have been prescient on the issue years back. Labour MP's should be highlighting that, and any of them who're mounting some weird defence of Rudd should rightfully be getting slated by party members.
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One Labour MP seemed to be suggesting the blame should be with the PM who should have resigned. Seems quite reasonable to me.

But I'm sure the pitchforks are lit already and Owen Jones has a new sign to wave about, so it's all good.

Still the point about mandatory reselections being absolute fecking insanity, stands.
 
Silva said:
It's a good thing other people's MP's don't have an impact on our lives.
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You want the party to be able to deselect its own leader just before an election?

Correction: local members of the leader's branch to have the ability to deselect the party leader just before an election? Or do you think it should only apply to MPs you dislike?
 
Oscie said:
One Labour MP seemed to be suggesting the blame should be with the PM who should have resigned. Seems quite reasonable to me.

But I'm sure the pitchforks are lit already and Owen Jones has a new sign to wave about, so it's all good.

Still the point about mandatory reselections being absolute fecking insanity, stands.
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Woodcock is arguing for Labour having 'common ground' with her in spite of the fact we know Rudd deliberately mislead parliament. May should go as well but that's beside the point - Rudd is also responsible as well. I'm against mandatory reselections and think the two factions of the party should work together, but if you're in any way someone who leans to - or is sympathetic to - Labour, then you should regard this as a big win for them. Anyone trying to undermine that big win should realise a lot of people in the party are going to feel like they don't represent them, and that they shouldn't be MP's.
 
Cheesy said:
Woodcock is arguing for Labour having 'common ground' with her in spite of the fact we know Rudd deliberately mislead parliament. May should go as well but that's beside the point - Rudd is also responsible as well. I'm against mandatory reselections and think the two factions of the party should work together, but if you're in any way someone who leans to - or is sympathetic to - Labour, then you should regard this as a big win for them. Anyone trying to undermine that big win should realise a lot of people in the party are going to feel like they don't represent them, and that they shouldn't be MP's.
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So someone who's represented his constituency for 17 years should immediately resign because you think some people in the party will not like the way he's reacted to the resignation of a Tory cabinet minister?

Is that where we are now?

Must remember: not a cult, but if someone disagrees with a tweet - RESIGN!!
 
Oscie said:
So the nutters now think it's any business of theirs who someone else's MP is?

Nice.

Why would a party want to reselect all its sitting MPs at every election, even its leader and cabinet? It's not hard to see how absolutely fecking insane that is, is it?

This is why the Tories still enjoy decent poll ratings. Labour just look a fecking mess and its membership absolute morons.
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When you see a shit post that needs to be nationalised

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The bat-signal speed at which people respond to any post that isn't sycophantic towards Corbyn is admittedly impressive. Literally needs to be renamed the Jeremy Corbyn appreciation thread.
 
Oscie said:
So someone who's represented his constituency for 17 years should immediately resign because you think some people in the party will not like the way he's reacted to the resignation of a Tory cabinet minister?

Is that where we are now?

Must remember: not a cult, but if someone disagrees with a tweet - RESIGN!!
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It's obviously not due to one tweet - people feel that certain members of the Labour Party don't represent Labour, and so are arguing someone else should be put in their place instead. That's how inner party democracy works. You're acting as if this is something - quite frankly if I was a Labour member I'd be fecking fuming at MP's trying to undermine a big win like this with some strange defence of a government member who's had to resign in disgrace. What are Woodcock and co actually trying to achieve with their comments?
 
Dobba said:
So you calling them nutters was a compliment was it?
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Where the feck did I suggest it was a compliment?

You're literally asking me something that's completely irrelevant. Might as well have said 'Ahh, so Moscow is in Shropshire now is it?"
 
Oscie said:
Where the feck did I suggest it was a compliment?

You're literally asking me something that's completely irrelevant. Might as well have said 'Ahh, so Moscow is in Shropshire now is it?"
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So you called people nutters, as an insult and are now playing victim because people (who you presumably think are nutters) responded. Much more reasonable.
 
Cheesy said:
It's obviously not due to one tweet - people feel that certain members of the Labour Party don't represent Labour, and so are arguing someone else should be put in their place instead. That's how inner party democracy works. You're acting as if this is something - quite frankly if I was a Labour member I'd be fecking fuming at MP's trying to undermine a big win like this with some strange defence of a government member who's had to resign in disgrace. What are Woodcock and co actually trying to achieve with their comments?
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But this is where the hypocrisy comes in. Aren't people who think Corbyn doesn't represent the Labour party they want told to get out?

This is the fundamental hypocrisy at the heart of this new mob-mentality. Calling for an MP to resign seems to be fine depending on who it is. If it's someone the Corbyn lot dislike then it's 'inner party democracy' if it's Corbyn himself then they're bastard saboteurs who should be kicked out of the party.
 
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