Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Labour are in deep shit. It's getting to the stage where it might be a good thing if the party breaks up so that the left and center can start a fresh. The same could be said about the Tories. In fact the whole first past the post system needs rethinking.
 
Rams said:
Labour are in deep shit. It's getting to the stage where it might be a good thing if the party breaks up so that the left and center can start a fresh. The same could be said about the Tories. In fact the whole first past the post system needs rethinking.
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You can't succeed with a split in a first past the post system and it's not going anywhere soon.
 
So tomorrow is PMQs. Which was going to be absurd anyway. And now it looks like the SNP are going to try and become the official opposition :lol:



I laugh but I'm crying.
 
Did everyone get this or just his constituency? Guessing everyone.

Dear Member,

I thought I should write to you about the recent events involving the Labour leadership, much of which you may already know from the very extensive coverage in the press.

You will probably know that a vote of no-confidence in Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership was passed this evening by Labour MPs. This is quite staggering news but as chair of the Parliamentary Labour Party I have to conduct our affairs in line with rules and precedence.

Margaret Hodge moved the motion at last night’s weekly PLP meeting which then led to the ballot today.

I checked back to the 1970s to ensure that both the motion was in order and that the ballot was properly conducted. I did not release the actual figures of the vote; these were leaked, by whom I do not know.

I did not vote as I must remain neutral, as chair.

I am not sure where we go from here. I would seem that a challenger might emerge in the next couple of days who will stand against Jeremy. In my view this would have been the more straightforward way of conducting things but I was not consulted by the motion’s supporters before they released it.

I will report to you again on future developments.

Best wishes,

John Cryer
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Although Corbyn was voted in only last year, the change in the political landscape between now and then has been monumental. There have been and will be many casualties because of the referendum and not just in the Labour party. How many of the MP's who voted that they had no confidence in Corbyn came from constituencies/territory where 'Leave' was the majority vote? I'd be interested to see those figures.
 
decorativeed said:
Can anyone name any Labour MP who prominently campaigned for Remain? I know Alan Johnson, how many can the average member of the public name? Especially during a campaign that 80% of the print media was on the side of Leave, giving far less prominence to the remain side? It's easy to single out Corbyn as the leader, but where were the rest of the Labour Party over the last 6 months?
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That's the hilarious thing because it was Hillary Benn and Angela Eagle who were the two prominent faces aside from Johnson and theyre the orchestrators of the revolt. They clearly take no blame for their failures in the campaign where they were both unconvincing.
 
The biggest challenge for the PLP won't be convincing Corbyn's supporters that there are better options - it will be trying to win back their trust. They've really gone and fecked this up.
 
Piketty quits as a Labour economic adviser.

He is obviously now a Blairite neoliberal.
 
Ubik said:
Piketty quits as a Labour economic adviser.

He is obviously now a Blairite neoliberal.
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You jest but it's incredibly naive to think they're not involved in this revolt.

People bang on about the power of Momentum but what never gets discussed is the groups that want Labour to go back to the Blairite vision, obviously only lefties have splinter groups huh?. Conor McGin Sky reported is one of the main individuals orchestrating the timing of the resignations for maximum effect , guess what he alongside Margret Hodge is part of Fabian that is full of blairites including Alistair Campbell. Alistair Campbell is also head of one of the PR groups that delivered the gay pride corbyn clip to the media.

The Labour MPs have not done this without significant planning as much as they'd like to just pretend it was a sudden matter of conscience.
 
Smores said:
You jest but it's incredibly naive to think they're not involved in this revolt.

People bang on about the power of Momentum but what never gets discussed is the groups that want Labour to go back to the Blairite vision, obviously only lefties have splinter groups huh?. Conor McGin Sky reported is one of the main individuals orchestrating the timing of the resignations for maximum effect , guess what he alongside Margret Hodge is part of Fabian that is full of blairites including Alistair Campbell. Alistair Campbell is also head of one of the PR groups that delivered the gay pride corbyn clip to the media.

The Labour MPs have not done this without significant planning as much as they'd like to just pretend it was a sudden matter of conscience.
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People of a Blairite persuation are of course involved. As are the Brownites. As are the soft-left. That's the point, it's everyone. Corbyn has the confidence of 40 MPs ffs, this can't be spun as "a handful of MPs" anymore, as McDonnell likes to. Blanchflower also left as an economic adviser because he doesn't want to be involved in the shitshow. Richard Murphy has basically disowned Corbyn. There's nothing left for him to lead. This is one of the few times where the Downfall meme is actually a pretty accurate representation of what's going on in his office.

EDIT - And now the person he appointed as shadow education sec the other day has resigned as well.
 
Smores said:
You jest but it's incredibly naive to think they're not involved in this revolt.

People bang on about the power of Momentum but what never gets discussed is the groups that want Labour to go back to the Blairite vision, obviously only lefties have splinter groups huh?. Conor McGin Sky reported is one of the main individuals orchestrating the timing of the resignations for maximum effect , guess what he alongside Margret Hodge is part of Fabian that is full of blairites including Alistair Campbell. Alistair Campbell is also head of one of the PR groups that delivered the gay pride corbyn clip to the media.

The Labour MPs have not done this without significant planning as much as they'd like to just pretend it was a sudden matter of conscience.
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Craig Murray with a great article on that https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/news-agenda-set/

Also looks like they where at it again at the protest a few days ago(Murray again) https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/another-media-setup/
 
Ubik said:
People of a Blairite persuation are of course involved. As are the Brownites. As are the soft-left. That's the point, it's everyone. Corbyn has the confidence of 40 MPs ffs, this can't be spun as "a handful of MPs" anymore, as McDonnell likes to. Blanchflower also left as an economic adviser because he doesn't want to be involved in the shitshow. Richard Murphy has basically disowned Corbyn. There's nothing left for him to lead. This is one of the few times where the Downfall meme is actually a pretty accurate representation of what's going on in his office.

EDIT - And now the person he appointed as shadow education sec the other day has resigned as well.
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You were mocking people for the mere suggestion of an orchestrated Blairite movement the other day. Obviously not everyone who's jumped is a Blairite and that term does get banded around without meaning as most are Brown allies as well however this is a planned action from then and people are going to hedge their bets in order to keep their jobs.

Nearly always this political manoeuvring ends up being public knowledge and when this does on top of the Chilcot report it's going to lose Labour support. Your opinion on Coryby aside, are you confident that a new leader will regain enough of the Scottish/UKIP/Leave voters?

I wish I was but I can't see anything but disaster here.
 
Labour's appeal has to go beyond a the young and the middle class intellectuals of the left. They will be decimated in an election without broader left of centre appeal and much better leadership. Corbyn has failed. The reasons for failure don't matter. I'm sure, had he the right leadership skills to get Labour into being a proper opposition and contend for government, the PLP would have supported him.
 
Drifter said:
Pat Glass as resigned already.:lol:
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Ah feck.

Time for Corbyn to go. He's lost this battle. The membership has lost this battle. I think the only way we have a chance of getting a good left wing candidate in the next leadership election is if Corbyn doesn't run. Otherwise it will be Corbyn vs the "unity candidate", in which case either outcome will lead to disaster.

The people abusing Pat Glass on Twitter for resigning are cnuts :mad:.
 
This time last election cycle, wasnt miliband laying out an alternative proposal to every conservative idea.

I'm not sure I could name a single labour proposal right now
 
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Shamwow said:
Ah feck.

Time for Corbyn to go. He's lost this battle. The membership has lost this battle. I think the only way we have a chance of getting a good left wing candidate in the next leadership election is if Corbyn doesn't run. Otherwise it will be Corbyn vs the "unity candidate", in which case either outcome will lead to disaster.

The people abusing Pat Glass on Twitter for resigning are cnuts :mad:.
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No chance that going to happen either way. If Corbyn doesn't run then people will just leave the party and maybe more importantly he's the guy the Unions are backing, so they can't afford a loss, well they can but this would be a big one. And then after this mess the PLP(Most those on the right) will try their best to get the weakest left candidate possible.

Although that's my guess anyway.
 
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Union leaders now meeting, apparently.
 
Momentum seems to be doing just that. Had to postpone meeting due to overwhelming demand.
 
I think the unions are going to drop their support for Corbyn soon. Then we can hopefully all get on with what we should be doing as a party.
 
Corbyn should offer to step down after Chilcot is released. Would be interesting to gauge some of the responses in the PLP.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I think the unions are going to drop their support for Corbyn soon. Then we can hopefully all get on with what we should be doing as a party.
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You'd hope. I have zero faith in McCluskey to put the future of the party above his own re-election hopes, though.
 
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