With Corbyn having such a close relationship with STW you'd think he'd have a word with them....or maybe he has 
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Are you seriously suggesting we and the coalition have one target? There's a few targets shown in that image that have been bombed and perpetuating the myth as Corbyn has been doing that Raqqa is going to be the only target is silly.
I never said airstrikes have killed 23,000 I simply stated the fact they have been weakened by losing that number of fighters.
Of course its not the only target, but it will be a main target considering how Cameron keeps harping on about it being a key area to strike.
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What does the solution being 'as long and as drawn out as the public demand it to be' even mean?
As for historical bombing campaigns. The aims of this campaign are not analogous to recent campaigns in the region either. Most of the world accept that ISIS are a unique and immediate threat that needs to be crushed as soon as possible.
I doubt it. He genuinely is a head in the clouds idealist but genuine and a nice guy I think. He wouldn't try something so cynical.
What does the solution being 'as long and as drawn out as the public demand it to be' even mean?
As for historical bombing campaigns. The aims of this campaign are not analogous to recent campaigns in the region either. Most of the world accept that ISIS are a unique and immediate threat that needs to be crushed as soon as possible.
With Corbyn having such a close relationship with STW you'd think he'd have a word with them....or maybe he has
I doubt it. He genuinely is a head in the clouds idealist but genuine and a nice guy I think. He wouldn't try something so cynical.
What I actually said was:
'The 'solution' to the Syria conflict will be only as long and drawn out as public appetite demands'
which I think is slightly clearer than the misquote.
And I explain what I mean in the next sentence.
Syria will be forgotten about once something new and more shocking happens. Its what always happens.
I have been alive for 33 years and the only thing more shocking than the rise of ISIS that I recall was 9/11.
I don't believe this crisis is leaving our consciousness anytime soon. There are many permutations of outcome and most of them are not good. Unfortunately I do not believe that we can accurately predict what the long term consequences of any course of action suggested in this thread will be, only the short term. That said, it does not make sense to me to leave the occupied people in the clutches of ISIS, nor should we let our allies take responsibility whilst we um and ahh at alternative ideas. In my opinion ISIS are an immediate threat and Corbyn offers no alternative plan of action in the moment when it is needed. Thus he fails his supporters unless you believe in being passive just to maintain a sense of moral superiority.
Perhaps.
There's certainly a suggestion that IS do a lot of what they do for the reasons I mentioned above. They know how to play the media and emotions well to get what they want. They're effectively an end of the world death cult that believes a war eventually fought in Dabiq, in Syria, fought out by foreign troops is a sign of an impending apocalypse and are attempting to manufacture the situation where that happens. The reason ISIS don't drop off the international scene is they don't let themselves.
Dabiq is even the name of their propaganda magazine, they're hardly being subtle about this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30083303
The problem is, is they have to fight hard to stay relevant. If they didn't, we'd forget about them. Sad but true. Theres plenty of despicable shit that happens around the world that gets half the column inches of ISIS. Hell one of the main causes of the despicable shit is one of our biggest international partners in the area!
You can see why he spent the last week trying to prevent Benn being able to speak in the debate now.
What are the odds on Hilary Benn leading Labour into the next election? With the other moderate candidates having chosen to maintain a relatively low profile, yesterday evening's Commons speech could potentially be a defining moment.
Very doubtful he'd win a leadership bid unfortunately, not with the current membership as it is. Not sure anyone who was pro-airstrikes today would have a chance.
Though that said, he's now favourite with the bookies!
Won't happen, most of the Labour membership sees him as a traitor now.
Very few Labour members would vote for him now, Tories applauding him is the worst thing that could possibly have happened to him.
Not just the membership that he disagrees with in this case, he's also in a minority of the PLP.
But if Corbyn is at some point deposed, mightn't the £3ers pack up their toys and go play elsewhere? Alternatively they'll elect McDonnell or Abbott as leader, in which case the Labour Party will have eaten itself quite to death.
If Corbyn packs it in, the hard left won't be able to get another candidate on the ballot for his replacement. The only thing stopping a coup immediately is that it's still legally uncertain whether Corbyn would automatically be on the ballot. The problem for Benn would be more that a soft-left candidate who voted against strikes (Lisa Nandy would be one potential candidate) would carry a lot more sway with the membership. Screw it though, I'd vote for him (assuming I'm allowed to rejoin :P )
Most left wing members of the public know their only chance of being properly represented is through the Labour Party, so no, I think most £3ers would simply elect the next left wing candidate as a feck you to the Tristram's, Dancuk's and the Chuka's of the Labour party. Corbyn has to stay till 2020 now because otherwise the Labour party will split and enter a serious downward spiral.
People keep saying stuff like this but Corbyn would have won without the £3ers. He got 49.5% of the vote from standard members in the first round.
What I expect would happen is that no lefties get enough nominations from the PLP so there won't even be one for the members to vote for. Still can't see the membership voting for Benn though, especially if there's any bad press from the war in Syria.
Benn's more likely to win a Nobel Peace Prize after that speech than become leader.
Benn's taken a monumental risk at this point, if this campaign fails then its not just his potential leadership prospects that's at stake.
Or alternatively, of course, the moderates could use their brains, get organised and do what Corbyn's campaign did so brilliantly and change the electorate to suit themselves. All surveys show the Labour vote is far more moderately inclined that the membership, so they should be far more of their efforts into getting a great deal more of that overall vote signed up as £3ers. Use the rules to your advantage.
The moment a British bomb hits a Syrian child, Benn will become the focus of the left's anger. Incredibly bold move of his to speak against Corbyn so blatantly.
Good point, but as you say that would leave the recent arrivals with no-one to turn to.
Were not £3ers as the fuel behind what was Corbynmania though? Without the involvement of these born again Labour supporters the campaign might've run out of steam.
He's certainly going to have buckle up, Jon Snow was making him feel pretty uncomfortable yesterday with some pretty piercing questions:
Rightly so. With every hostage killed by ISIS, Corbyn would be linked to it. Taking a position on this issue has to carry a cost.
Hard to say but the fact is 'Corbynmania' has already happened, getting rid of £3 members isn't going to change that.
Good post. Most of us are trying to listen and weigh up risk the best we can, the guys that are certain either way, those are ones I tend to disregard.
A genuinely heartbreaking thought. But still, our streets are safer today than they were yesterday (LOL).
A party that have been fielding candidates against Labour now believe with Corbyn in charge they have the authority to demand MPs taking part in a free vote should be deselected. I kindly tell them to feck off.
Just gave Benn's speech a listen, and it's admittedly very good. I don't necessarily agree with his stance, but he comes across as someone who has put clear thought into what he's doing, and understands the gravity of what he's voting for, whilst also being able to maintain a sense of respect for those who are voting against. Came across as very professional on a day where many Tories managed to look like childish arseholes having a good laugh about the whole thing, and in a week where Cameron has shown he'll sink to any depths in order to benefit his own position.
Heidi Alexander? Oh no she was my shame wank
Wouldn't this just increase that shame? Win win.Heidi Alexander? Oh no she was my shame wank
Demonstrations infront of some labor MPs homes. Sad sight.
Maybe we should all just vote for Hilary Benn to be the next PM so we can have the comic effect of Hilary as the President and PM.
Pretty sure that's @Jippy's justification for his collection of Diane Abbott erotic fan-fiction, at any rate.Every cloud
Quite a few MP's are saying it was Benn's speech that changed their mind. I'd love to know exactly what changed their mind "hes right these guys are fascist bad like Hitler, we should bomb them. Sod all the issues we've heard today. Fascists!"
The Labour party is currently dive bombing into the abyss because of Corbyn. The by-election in Oldham West and Royton will give us an good indicator of just how bad it is.
Typical hard left, stop the war................by intimidation.
I have actually seen a disturbing pic of her mocked up as some morbidly obese bed-ridden woman. It has a somewhat offensive caption, so maybe best not to post.