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Got an email from Labour today unveiling their new range of Jeremy Corbyn merchandise - https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/jeremy-corbyn/

Got an email from Labour today unveiling their new range of Jeremy Corbyn merchandise - https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/jeremy-corbyn/
How many actually attendedTrident rally is Britain's biggest anti-nuclear march in a generation
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/27/cnd-rally-anti-nuclear-demonstration-trident-london
I'd personally welcome the Green Party taking over the British left.Not sure this'll end well http://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-for-labour-leadership-talk-corbyn-challenge
But I suppose you never know if you don't try.
I'd personally welcome the Green Party taking over the British left.
If the Labour Party establishment chooses May/June as its moment to strike, you could find that the far-left throw their support behind Brexit in response. As a Eurosceptic i wholeheartedly encourage this action.
On the other hand...a failed coup attempt might leave MPs with no choice but to breakaway or defect to the Lib Dems.
Personally, i would look upon the creation of a new centrist party with favour, albeit with an improved cast of characters.
They are not ready for that yet; support for some of the Green Party's ideals isn't the same as confidence in their policies.
Article says the idea is to do it after June 23rd probably partly for the reason you give.If the Labour Party establishment chooses May/June as its moment to strike, you could find that the far-left throw their support behind Brexit in response. As a Eurosceptic i wholeheartedly encourage this action.
On the other hand...a failed coup attempt might leave MPs with no choice but to breakaway or defect to the Lib Dems.
Personally, i would look upon the creation of a new centrist party with favour, albeit with an improved cast of characters.
They are not ready for that yet; support for some of the Green Party's ideals isn't the same as confidence in their policies.
let momentum set up as a party with corbyn, mcdonnell, burgon, abbott. etcArticle says the idea is to do it after June 23rd probably partly for the reason you give.
If the Greens would take Corbyn and McDonnell I'd be delighted. I wouldn't wish Burgon on anyone though.
Is anyone that voted for Corbyn and thought Labour at the election were "Tory-lite" a bit annoyed that McDonnell's now got a remarkably similar fiscal policy to that of Balls?
It was criticised numerous times on here (after the general election, anyway) from supporters of Corbyn as having been austerity-lite, nothing to do with the messaging.Odd question, It was never going to change substantially the only difference will be in how it's presented. Ed was caught half way being cautious and almost apologetic for wanting to invest.
The message going forward needs to be proudly investing for a better future. The ridiculous concept of the household budget needs to be buried rather than tolerated.
McDonnell can't do a worse job than Balls at trying to address that narrative.
It was criticised numerous times on here (after the general election, anyway) from supporters of Corbyn as having been austerity-lite, nothing to do with the messaging.
I don't even know what you mean by "austerity ideology", acknowledgement that spending cuts probably have to happen if you want to balance the current budget (as McDonnell has pledged to do) and bring down the debt/GDP ratio (as McDonnell has pledged to do)? You seem to be saying that austerity is really just a rhetorical device.The message surrounding such announcements is everything. Balls very much went along with the austerity line of paying down the debt with investment largely a hidden guilty pleasure. McDonnell is saying tight controls but championing investment and where the BoE can't boost the economy Labour will.
Are you saying you don't think the previous Labour regime went along with the austerity ideology? Or that the current one is?
If you’re putting the rent on the credit card month after month, things need to change
McDonnell can't do a worse job than Balls at trying to address that narrative.
I was being kind and not mentioning his general incompetence.you sure about that?
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It's fine as a policy, I'm more interested in seeing if voters who were excited for Corbyn's anti-austerity campaign message were happy that they'd reverted to Balls' plan. Apparently so, thus far.
In what way? It's the same.It's better than Ball's plan though innit?
In what way? It's the same.
Yeah, which all essentially means balancing the current budget, which is McDonnell's new policy. He unfortunately apparently left the press announcement before taking questions today so I'm not sure if there's any detail on what spending he plans to cut down on.This is the Balls policy right?
- We will cut the deficit every year with a surplus on the current budget and get the national debt falling as soon as possible in the next Parliament.
- We will make fair and sensible spending decisions, including capping social security spending so that it is properly controlled, stopping the payment of the winter fuel allowance to the wealthiest five per cent of pensioners and capping child benefit rises for the next two years.
- There is not a single policy in this manifesto that is funded by additional borrowing. There are tough decisions to be taken and we haven’t made any commitments that we can’t keep.+
Yeah, which all essentially means balancing the current budget, which is McDonnell's new policy. He unfortunately apparently left the press announcement before taking questions today so I'm not sure if there's any detail on what spending he plans to cut down on.
We all want the deficit closed on the current budget, but there was no need to try to do it within an artificial five years or even the extra five years George Osborne mapped out two weeks ago. As I said on the Sunday Politics, if the deficit has been closed by 2020 and the economy is growing, then Labour should not run a current budget deficit – but we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity. You don’t close the deficit fairly or sustainably through cuts. You close it through growing a balanced and sustainable economy that works for all And by asking those with income and wealth to spare to contribute more.
From what I've read, the interest rate thing doesn't kick in unless they're at 0%. And they're currently slated to remain at 0.5% until 2019, when they're likely to rise.McDonnell's policy wouldn't apply right now though would it due to the interest rate clause. That's not a small difference.
It's a very good policy in my opinion, much better thought out than Balls'.
And it doesn't just need to rely on spending cuts.
From JC's Leadership bid documents also, I don't see much backtracking here.
Im pretty sure it's when it's close.From what I've read, the interest rate thing doesn't kick in unless they're at 0%. And they're currently slated to remain at 0.5% until 2019, when they're likely to rise.
Looks like "close" is defined by there being a 50/50 chance of them falling to zero:Im pretty sure it's when it's close.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-john-mcdonnell-s-new-fiscal-credibility-rulePortes and Wren-Lewis are clear: when the central bank thinks there’s a 50 per cent chance of interest rates falling to zero...
“The fiscal authority should cooperate with the central bank in devising a fiscal stimulus package that is expected to allow interest rates to rise above this lower bound. This will imply a significant increase in debt, and the fiscal authority will at the same time need to demonstrate how its fiscal rule will change once interest rates are expected to rise again.”
Looks like "close" is defined by there being a 50/50 chance of them falling to zero:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-john-mcdonnell-s-new-fiscal-credibility-rule
That's Paul Mason writing on it, using the report by Simon Wren-Lewis (Corbyn advisor) and Jonathan Portes (chief economist under New Labour). Given there's little chance of an interest rate fall, it doesn't fit the criteria.
Odd question, It was never going to change substantially the only difference will be in how it's presented. Ed was caught half way being cautious and almost apologetic for wanting to invest.
The message going forward needs to be proudly investing for a better future. The ridiculous concept of the household budget needs to be buried rather than tolerated.
McDonnell can't do a worse job than Balls at trying to address that narrative.
The problem is that momentum and the corbynistas will just brand Di piero and the other one as Blairite scum and put time and effort into de-selecting them rather than listen to what they have to say.Judging by this, I'm guessing Cameron got his line on Corbyn's dress sense straight from focus groups in ex-Labour marginals - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/12/labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-2015-election
Judging by this, I'm guessing Cameron got his line on Corbyn's dress sense straight from focus groups in ex-Labour marginals - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/12/labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-2015-election
There is certain irony in you 'liberal elitist dickeads' bemoaning the stupidity of the electorate when you were warned by every man and his dog about the stupidity of backing Corbyn. If you really want to wrap yourself in high minded ideals then join the Green Party, or do they not have a big enough platform for you to wank off on?
Why is that ironic?
There is certain irony in you 'liberal elitist dickeads' bemoaning the stupidity of the electorate when you were warned by every man and his dog about the stupidity of backing Corbyn. If you really want to wrap yourself in high minded ideals then join the Green Party, or do they not have a big enough platform for you to wank off on?