@Drifter thanks for that link. Seems interesting.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Not sure if he comes out well in that at all. Weird decision to green light it. 50/50 at best.
Corbyn's leadership and communication through the EU referendum have been atrocious. Where is the Labour Party in this debate??!
Made a big speech on it today. Hit the points I thought he should about worker and consumer rights being protected by being part of the EU
Non-existent. Then again Labour were a bit shit for the Scottish Independence debate, yet Gordon Brown waited, waited, judged it, and when he stuck the boot in it counted.
Is Corbyn that clever? I suspect not, but it's an interesting test, and somewhere along the line he's going to have to take these tests and pass or fail.
Handled it well in PMQs today . Questioned those leave hypocrites who are ready to oppose Osbourne's so called cuts suggestion but were happy to vote for the bedroom tax, cuts on disability benefits, slashing care for the elderly and i would add abusing the sanction system on unemployed and those in low paid work.
Is he actually going to become visible!? Where has he been hiding? His leadership of the Labour party throughout the referendum has been beyond bad. It is almost like Labour are now completely insignificant in national political discourse.
He's been campaigning all over the country, it's not been getting covered very much though. I'm not sure of the reasons, although my (biased) mind suspects that it's because his arguments for staying in the EU aren't very headline grabbing amid all the other mental shit that's going on - such as Farage having some sort of naval battle with Bob Geldof in the Thames.
Did anyone watch him on the Last Leg last week?
I think its not just Cameron who will be in trouble at the end of the referendum if we vote to leave... I can see a lot in the Labour party using it as an opportunity to say Corbyn wasn't visible enough and has to take some of the blame.
Basically it will be a race to see if they can get a new leader before Boris becomes pm and calls a snap election so he can face Corbyn
He's been campaigning all over the country, it's not been getting covered very much though. I'm not sure of the reasons, although my (biased) mind suspects that it's because his arguments for staying in the EU aren't very headline grabbing amid all the other mental shit that's going on - such as Farage having some sort of naval battle with Bob Geldof in the Thames.
Did anyone watch him on the Last Leg last week?
Thought he was brilliant on The Last Leg, unfortunately I don't think he's got the personality to carry off that sort of performance on either a comedic or factual current events programme that didn't so closely mirror his political opinions. Shame as I think he's one of the very few genuine politicians left but he's just not the sort of character to stand his ground when the mud slinging starts as he rightly considers himself above it, unfortunately so much political coverage and indeed politics is aimed at the lowest common denominator. I suspect that's why he's been so anonymous throughout the Brexit campaign whilst the buffoons have been clowning it up for the cameras.
This guy is shite. Been very neutral on him since he became leader, I even like him but this guy is shite.
The country really needed him to pull his weight and where was he?
He is a fecking lightweight. And if Labour have any plans on running the country, ey need to bin this guy.
The most uninspiring political leader I've ever seen. Whether, you agree with his policies or not makes no difference. He just screams meh.
The country really needed him to pull his weight and where was he?
He is a fecking lightweight. And if Labour have any plans on running the country, ey need to bin this guy.
The most uninspiring political leader I've ever seen. Whether, you agree with his policies or not makes no difference. He just screams meh.
He's fecked basically, isn't he? He'll get dragged into this and get the boot.
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Apparently 55 Labour MPs are signing a letter calling for him to resign.
It's a race
Can the conservatives get Boris in so they can call a snap election against Corbyn before labour can dump Corbyn
Good. He's a waste of everybody's time.
Bloodbath.
He has to go. He's out of touch with the electorate and out of touch with the results of this referendum. He's a lovely man, I'm sure, but some of his policies are unelectable, and the way he refuses to compromise on his strongest stances is no better than the lack of compromise on the Right. Politics is dirty, but not liking it won't change anything. All politicians need to be able to roll up their sleeves, debate, graft, compromise and twist some arms to get what their voters want.
Good. Utter failure to allow Labour voters to put their own futures at risk.
@Ubik I doubt you are in the mood but you are welcome to gloat/I told you so
Not at all, don't blame those who voted for him in the leadership contest whatsoever, fully recognise the other candidates were bland, that Ed's chaotic leadership left no clear direction for the party to take, and that Corbyn offered the most hope and mounted the best campaign. Labour centrists/moderates/bellends need to come up with better arguments than "if you don't vote for us, we'll lose by more". Existential now, social democracy is getting battered.
This whole thing stinks of littlefinger.
What do you mean he's out of touch with the result? He's one of the most anti-eu Labour politicians there is and he's the only one to discuss the immigration impact fund.
He wants to remove all borders and allow more immigration. He's anti-EU, true, but for very, very different reasons.
You may have a point he is seen as such. I'd hate to see a race to the right ala Kendall but I've been calling for Labour to get serous about immigration for some time now so if there's a serious contender I'd support them. Not sure who that would be at this point
Perhaps it would be better long term to let Corbyn lose against Boris. Then Boris will take all the flak from the Brexit chaos damaging the Tories. Can any Labour candidate even win a snap election against Boris?
On the flip side, the rise of UKIP could sound the death knell for Labour if Corbyn remains in power.
On the flip side, the rise of UKIP could sound the death knell for Labour if Corbyn remains in power.
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What if Boris wins - but does not get a majority but the SNP + Labour can form a majority (and the SNP insists on us staying in Europe)
Its going to be a messy few years I think
Very magnanimous.
Now that he has failed in two elections, one of which is more important than any general, I'm happy to say he's had his shot. I still believe someone with similar policies but far more charisma, and less historical baggage could be successful. It's really depressing though. After tonights result it's so hard to see how social democrats win back the working classes that were previously the foundation for their victories. Unfortunately I don't get the sense Labour is any closer to figuring that one out than they were a year ago.
And to be fair to Corbyn, New Labour still has to take a fair share of the blame for the longer-term shift away from Labour in it's heartlands. They still voted for Blair, but they felt ever more distant from the party (and I believe turnouts fell throughout his leadership as well?). Although it has been aggravated by the recession, and is clearly a Europe wide phenomenon, so there's far more to it than just scapegoating Blair(ism).
This is really interesting from a policy perspective. Attitudes to immigration are most negative in the areas where it is lowest: i.e. an immigration impact fund would help those areas most angry about immigration less than those least angry. But does knowing that such a fund exists help ease the anger in all areas. Hard to know.
Got to go.
Doubt it. Labour look like losing more seats to UKIP based on the referendum results up north at least.
Bye then
I'm not following, why has he got to go?
possibly - I guess it depends if UKIP remains a viable party (as they were initially a single issue party and that issue has been voted on)
Perhaps they remain - perhaps with a pro brexit conservative leader Farrage gets given a lordship and UKIP dissolves?
He lost a vote more important than a general election.
Because he's shit?
Nope, that would be the condescending campaign run by Cameron and Osborne.
He was utterly clueless in this campaign.
surely he was 25% successful
Let David Miliband run for Jo Cox seat and then let him go for labour leadership.
There's no doubt that labour need a new leader. The last two have been worse than Gordon Brown, which is saying something.
There's no doubt that labour need a new leader. The last two have been worse than Gordon Brown, which is saying something.
Oh yay David Miliband, terrific idea.
Said no one ever.
Said no one ever.
What was wrong with Gordon Brown?
Quite predictable that opportunists in the PLP would push the leadership challengers lime again. You actually need someone worth first, I certainly can't see anyone
