Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Shamwow said:
How could she lie about him being up and down the country? Pretty difficult thing to make up without instantly being called out on it.
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There's a big leap between covering for the Leader of your Party and straight up lying. Her statement could just as easily be 'spin' defending Corbyn from criticism (as she was doing) that he wasn't doing enough for the Remain side.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
What 'losing streak'? Blair won three elections and there was obviously no choice over Brown.

The PLP and members wanted David Miliband as leader (as did I). How can you say David wouldn't have performed better in the general election than Union choice Ed?
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I said they have a long losing streak when it comes to calling these things correctly.
 
Grinner said:
It reminds me of the ineptitude of Labour when Michael Foot was leader.
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I liked Michael Foot and while I don't agree with some of Corbyn's ideas and principles, there is a bit of Foot in him I think. Neither of them were/are cut out to be leader of the Labour party though.
 
Well... they might as well do it, now. Can't get anymore of a shambles if they tried.

Don't see that Angela Eagle is the answer. No more 'electable' than JC is. Must be a stalking-horse / patsy candidate? ie: she's going to lose, everyone knows she is going to lose.

Cameron had to (a) personalize it & (b) try to make himself look like a magnificent statesmanlike figure didn't he? Probably did actually, cos anything remotely more feeble / acceptable like ''I don't know what you're doing over there'' has every chance of getting smashed straight back.

''sack of weasel-wank'' does seem to cover it quite well, though, :lol:
 
Angela Eagle :lol:

Resigning in their masses and making the biggest fuss possible and then when they have to put their money where their mouth is, the best they can come up with is Angela fecking Eagle?

What is wrong with these people?
 
Really hope Jez hangs on and then pushes for a reselection of MPs across the board to force out the pathetic charlatans.

Oh and Chilcot, tick tock :)
 
sun_tzu said:
If Jez hangs on I suspect 150 Labour MP's will switch over to the Libs and they will become the official opposition
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Lol and then proceed to lose their seats in the next election. Spares Corbyn having to push for them getting deselected.

If they feel inclined to so easily switch to the Lib "identity crisis" Dems then they weren't genuine labour servants to begin with, so good riddance I say.
 
noodlehair said:
Angela Eagle :lol:

Resigning in their masses and making the biggest fuss possible and then when they have to put their money where their mouth is, the best they can come up with is Angela fecking Eagle?

What is wrong with these people?
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It's so ridiculous the only reasoning I can guess at is that they think it'll be beneficial to have a female candidate against Boris or negate May.

Now I've caught up this mornings news it seems it's not the unity choice her people are making it out to be and there's concern she'll declare prematurely. Owen Smith (who I must say I know little about) is starting to get backing.
 
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Kaos said:
Lol and then proceed to lose their seats in the next election. Spares Corbyn having to push for them getting deselected.

If they feel inclined to so easily switch to the Lib "identity crisis" Dems then they weren't genuine labour servants to begin with, so good riddance I say.
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possibly - but they will anyway - and they wont be loosing them to a corbyn lead labour they will be loosing them to UKIP
 
Ah right, they're now spinning this as being about how much Jeremy wins by, compared to last time & so on.
 
sun_tzu said:
possibly - but they will anyway - and they wont be loosing them to a corbyn lead labour they will be loosing them to UKIP
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Not in labour safe seats, which most of them occupy.

If they're at risks to losing seats to UKIP, it's not going to be prevented by Angela Eagle, or any of the other muppets.
 
Smores said:
It's so ridiculous the only reasoning I can guess at is that they think it'll be beneficial to have a female candidate against Boris or negate May.

Now I've caught up this mornings news it seems it's not the unity choice her people are making it out to be and there's concern she'll declare prematurely. Owen Smith (who I must say I know little about) is starting to get backing.
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All that will do is help May. The difference between the two is so great that Eagle will look worse than ever as a suitable candidate to win an election.
 
Managed to persuade my older brother to join the Labour party and vote for Corbyn if it comes to that. He was anti-Corbyn last week.
 
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500 councillors sign letter asking for him to resign.
 
Frosty said:
Did no-one read that line and think it could sound bad?! Seumas Milne is a liability, he really is.
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A Momentum activist laid into a jewish Labour MP attending as well, saying she was a member of a media conspiracy. Just needed Ken arriving to talk about Hitler's Zionism and it would've had the hattrick.
 
Dobba said:
This is Farage's Britain where all Muslims are ISIS supporters.
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Not sure I understand. He's just saying don't blame people for bad things they have nothing to do with but might be associated with due to their religion/race/whatever. Criticising him for it seems insincere.
 
Right then, I've not really been a Corbyn supporter but here's my point of view.

Politicians are scum, everyone knows this. There won't be a reform in Politics when the scummy ones are the majority, so in my suspicious mind for the majority of Labour to turn on Corbyn seems to me that two scenarios are occurring:

1. They are correct and Corbyn simply isn't a leader.
2. He is one of the genuine Politicians who wants to change the norm and the majority Politicians simply don't want that to happen.

So i'm personally in the frame of mind right now where i'm thinking "what the hell", why not take a risk on Corbyn and actually see what the other side of the coin is like. Worst case scenario, he is a terrible leader, if that's the scenario then in 4 years (perhaps even less) we can change the decision. But if however it's scenario 2, then it could well be the kick up the arse Politics needs in this Country and point us finally in the right direction.
 
Shamwow said:
Not sure I understand. He's just saying don't blame people for bad things they have nothing to do with but might be associated with due to their religion/race/whatever. Criticising him for it seems insincere.
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The Internet really needs a sarcasm font :lol:

We know that to be the case and I'd go further than saying people criticising him are simply insincere, they're lying through their teeth. Plus there is a section of the UK, as shown in the pre and post Brexit vox-pops that think all Muslims are pro-ISIS so that false narrative will be lapped up.
 
RedSky said:
Right then, I've not really been a Corbyn supporter but here's my point of view.

Politicians are scum, everyone knows this. There won't be a reform in Politics when the scummy ones are the majority, so in my suspicious mind for the majority of Labour to turn on Corbyn seems to me that two scenarios are occurring:

1. They are correct and Corbyn simply isn't a leader.
2. He is one of the genuine Politicians who wants to change the norm and the majority Politicians simply don't want that to happen.

So i'm personally in the frame of mind right now where i'm thinking "what the hell", why not take a risk on Corbyn and actually see what the other side of the coin is like. Worst case scenario, he is a terrible leader, if that's the scenario then in 4 years (perhaps even less) we can change the decision. But if however it's scenario 2, then it could well be the kick up the arse Politics needs in this Country and point us finally in the right direction.
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RedSky said:
Right then, I've not really been a Corbyn supporter but here's my point of view.

Politicians are scum, everyone knows this. There won't be a reform in Politics when the scummy ones are the majority, so in my suspicious mind for the majority of Labour to turn on Corbyn seems to me that two scenarios are occurring:

1. They are correct and Corbyn simply isn't a leader.
2. He is one of the genuine Politicians who wants to change the norm and the majority Politicians simply don't want that to happen.

So i'm personally in the frame of mind right now where i'm thinking "what the hell", why not take a risk on Corbyn and actually see what the other side of the coin is like. Worst case scenario, he is a terrible leader, if that's the scenario then in 4 years (perhaps even less) we can change the decision. But if however it's scenario 2, then it could well be the kick up the arse Politics needs in this Country and point us finally in the right direction.
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At any other time I'd agree, but this could be our last chance to save EU membership. I just don't see him achieving that given his lukewarm support. Also his focus right now appears to be on the Iraq War report. Again at any other time that would be great, but right now all it will do is damage the Labour party at the point when they are needed to stop far right Tories. He's just not the man for the hour.
 
Kentonio said:
At any other time I'd agree, but this could be our last chance to save EU membership. I just don't see him achieving that given his lukewarm support. Also his focus right now appears to be on the Iraq War report. Again at any other time that would be great, but right now all it will do is damage the Labour party at the point when they are needed to stop far right Tories. He's just not the man for the hour.
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I just don't see how we can Brexit given the Immigration promises. Simply won't happen. I'm getting more and more confident by every passing day.
 
Kentonio said:
At any other time I'd agree, but this could be our last chance to save EU membership. I just don't see him achieving that given his lukewarm support. Also his focus right now appears to be on the Iraq War report. Again at any other time that would be great, but right now all it will do is damage the Labour party at the point when they are needed to stop far right Tories. He's just not the man for the hour.
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Why is any 'damage' caused by the report a bad thing? The party/left as a whole needs an as public as possible distancing from the Iraq issue, especially the desire of many to refuse an investigation into it.

If the future of the party is based on avoiding any backlash for supporting an illegal war and then refusing to acknowledge that for a decade, what about it is worth saving in the first place?
 
Shamwow said:
What's wrong with that?
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Dobba said:
This is Farage's Britain where all Muslims are ISIS supporters.
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This: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ment-islamic-state-labour-antisemitism-review

Don't say 'Islamic states'. Say 'Islamic governments', if you have to. This speech was obviously not read out loud in advance. If it had been, someone competent would have pointed out the problematic phonetics of that line. In a speech meant to draw a line under accusations that Labour have an anti-Semitism problem, guess what the news will be?
 
Frosty said:
This: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ment-islamic-state-labour-antisemitism-review

Don't say 'Islamic states'. Say 'Islamic governments', if you have to. This speech was obviously not read out loud in advance. If it had been, someone competent would have pointed out the problematic phonetics of that line. In a speech meant to draw a line under accusations that Labour have an anti-Semitism problem, guess what the news will be?
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ment-islamic-state-labour-antisemitism-review

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ch-labour-leadership-bid-in-battle-for-the-s/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-government-isis-islamic-states-a7110931.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...ress-conference-Corbyn-supporters-claims.html

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/UK-Labour-leader-Corbyn-appears-to-compare-Israel-to-ISIS-459173

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inter...he-use-of-hitler-nazi-and-holocaust-metaphors

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...mparing-israel-to-islamic-state-a3284931.html

http://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/corbyn-accused-of-comparing-israel-islamic-state/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13675...rael-to-isis-in-a-speech-about-anti-semitism/
 
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