I almost feel sorry for him but he must have known that he wasnt going to win, which means this was all about him. I wonder whether it was Save Labour or himself that came up with the "like Corbyn but not Corbyn" strategy.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I almost feel sorry for him but he must have known that he wasnt going to win, which means this was all about him. I wonder whether it was Save Labour or himself that came up with the "like Corbyn but not Corbyn" strategy.
well lets see how momentum come out of the undercover channel 4 thingy tonight... I suspect badly and that actually teaching kids about politics is not something you would want them to do...
A political wing with a programme aimed at relatively young children would strike me as a bit wrong whatever the partly involved. Even as a politically engaged teen it was years before felt comfortable with where i stood on issues.
Owen Smith comes across so poorly that part of e wonders if he's a plant. I could do a better job than him and i have next-to-no intention of voting Labour.
Owen Smith comes across so poorly that part of e wonders if he's a plant. I could do a better job than him and i have next-to-no intention of voting Labour.
The only legitimate reason I can think for him having run is to voice concerns about the Labour Party on behalf of the PLP.
I think that indoctrinating kids into politics always stinks.
I've read a lot of people talking about "indoctrination" but I'm not sure what's different about it than anything else in a kid's life, if a parent's taking them to Momentum rallies they're probably going to be getting a fair amount of "indoctrination" at home anyway. In the unlikely event I ever deem myself ready to have kids, they will know all about the median voter...
As long it's not abusive of divisive stuff, pretty harmless really.
Is there a political party in this country that doesn't have a youth wing or make a push for kids? Conservative Future, Liberal Youth, Young Labour, Young Greens etc...
Just seems another case of Corbyn getting criticised for something no one else does.
if young labour exists then why do momentum want their own youth movement - unless its to do something different to the labour party?
Well if you take the word 'youth' out you could ask the same thing about Momentum full stop. But then you also have to ask the same question for Progress and so on and so forth.
I'm not sure where I stand on this but I remember the the event Breivik massacred was a youth event for the Norwegian social-democratic party. It didn't seem to be hurting them much to have a youth wing...
Is proving childcare a youth movement?
I think part of the problem is that they may have blurred two separate things together in the original story, one part said childcare for 3-5 year olds, another part talked about political education, and people have kind of blended them together whereas I'd imagine they're aimed at different younglings. Now JEDI, they're some hardcore indoctrinators.
Children holding up political banners at rallies(Left or Right), is something that really annoys me.
Yeah I''m guessing it will be a sort day care/ breakfast club where the parents can ask for ''political education''.
JMO you understand, but part of my objection relates to the ages of those involved. It is my impression that even pre-teens could be approached for this new group. Practically speaking, i think schools are a better environment to introduce children to such debate. They still have civic or general studies classes at secondary level don't they?
Whereas over at Momentum's playground..."today, we are going to identify the Tory scum in the latest Frozen sequel".
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Although I've heard of it I'd never been on mumsnet before. Christ it's an odious place. The amount of transphobia in the Corbyn web chat thread is horrendous.
^ With the greatest of respect to her, she is trying to force events to match her ideological outlook.
Advances in technology (tablets and smartphones) have done more harm to libraries than neoliberalism. She also wishes to see vocational qualifications more properly recognised, but precedes this by emphasising the attendance of university for the sake of it.
And what IS has to do with her the state of her high street i am not precisely certain; although it must also recognised that changing shopping habits have been a big influence too.
Advances in technology (tablets and smartphones) have done more harm to libraries than neoliberalism. She also wishes to see vocational qualifications more properly recognised, but precedes this by emphasising the attendance of university for the sake of it.
And what IS has to do with her the state of her high street i am not precisely certain; although it must also recognised that changing shopping habits have been a big influence too.
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If tonight's Dispatches program on Channel 4 has stimulated your interest in Momentum you could/should 'infiltrate' your next local meeting.
Anything interesting from it? Or is just hippies eating glutton free carrot cakes and complaining about Blair?
I only caught the last 15 minutes of the Panorama, and they were at a gay pride parade where someone was wearing a "Never kissed a Tory" badge which I found amusing.
Didn't watch the Dispatches but the Panorama just on about the Brighton Labour party showed that it was a pretty clear cut example of entryism.
Probably a controversial subject and i'll preclude the following by saying i can understand some of the apprehension following Jo Cox.
However, this new social media code of conduct is ridiculous given members can already be banned for such behaviour. Any reasonable person is against actual abuse but they're also aware that Twitter isn't the same as a surgery walk in, you're going to get people swearing or name calling just as you would at a game. I think some of them don't understand the medium and are mistaking the impolite language some use to make a point as on par to abuse they'd get on the street. It's very unacceptable Smeeth has received death threats and actual abuse but the claim of 25k posts of abuse is a bit much isn't it? Is that really possible? I'm surprised that many know who she is.
However, this new social media code of conduct is ridiculous given members can already be banned for such behaviour. Any reasonable person is against actual abuse but they're also aware that Twitter isn't the same as a surgery walk in, you're going to get people swearing or name calling just as you would at a game. I think some of them don't understand the medium and are mistaking the impolite language some use to make a point as on par to abuse they'd get on the street. It's very unacceptable Smeeth has received death threats and actual abuse but the claim of 25k posts of abuse is a bit much isn't it? Is that really possible? I'm surprised that many know who she is.
It was a rather pathetic answer though, even his supporters would have to acknowledge such.
He's just not going to connect with enough of the electorate, if he comes across like a complete wet blanket intent on sucking the fun out of life. Corbyn needs to leave the prosy moralising at the door, and at least try to sound like a normal person.
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I agree with you, but unfortunately the left as a collective have decided that posting nasty things online where you can be blocked is akin to walking up to someone and yelling at them. I say that as someone who's never done anything of the sort and is about as left-wing as you'll find. But hey, someone's feelings may be hurt so let's institute a "code of conduct" that will invariably be abused at some point, just like it has been in various other online communities.
Ugh. Why can't people just call the occasional pillock online a pillock, block them and leave it at that? Because if it's any worse than that then you'll be able to go to the bloody police anyway! /rant
Yeah its stupid shit like that that does him no favours. No one expects you to be hard hitting and police focused on fecking Mumsnet its just a chance to engage with real people and pretend that you're like them.
'I like Shortbread', how hard is that as an answer?
David "cleverball" Miliband says Labour under Corbyn is as far away from power as it was in the 1930s. So we'll win the next election and radically transform British society then?
There were 14 years between those two events, the latter coming when the party got a grip of itself again.
It was a weird answer given he apparently enjoys making jam. Presumably the jam is for other people?
I wasn't commenting on that specifically though.
Im not really sure why he's popped up to criticise the leadership to be honest. It isnt helpful to anyone.
Chukka at least made the point all wings need to work together but the likes of Milliband seem more intent on defending New Labour than anything.
It's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? Corbyn is unelectable, David? Well, yeah, if you and everyone else within the Labour party keeps on saying so, then no shit. People aren't going to want to vote for someone whose own party don't want him in power.
The best, most sensible thing to do at this stage is for the party to get behind Corbyn and back him because he's got an overwhelming mandate. Even now though, they can't do it. Presumably their pride and their own wing of the party means more to them than electability.
My biggest worry with Corbyn, the general public grab on to sound bites and I can easily see people saying they didn't vote Labour because Corbyn was simply unelectable.
Still I'm sure not how this is good politics in any shape from David, it's looking likely Corbyn will win this Saturday and stay as leader. Pretty much giving the Labour Party over to the British Left(I guess you can call it that.)and thus a big platform in British politics, at the very least David should know he's audience. Although as you said I image it's his ''pride'' talking.
Chuka Ummuna's on Sky and I've got to say he's coming across quite well. I can't shake that feeling he's still part of that sort of vapid, centrist crowd, but he speaks well and highlights the need for unity within Labour. He came across quite well post-Brexit too.
David Miliband doesn't agree with the policy programme of Jeremy Corbyn. The shock.
I was never a big fan of his, but the more I've heard him speak in the last twelve months the more I've been impressed. I doubt he'll be in the next shadow cabinet but I think he should be getting as much media airtime as possible in the next couple of years. I just hope this next period of Corbyn's leadership takes more of an approach of aligning skillsets with positions - e.g. please never put Richard Burgon somewhere where he'll have to speak. To anyone.
I wonder if Ummuna doesn't come across as almost too polished with the media, too smooth, a bit like the aforementioned Miliband. The Brexit vote was suggestive of how jaded the electorate had become with that style to politics, which Cameron represented for them among others.
As a non-Labour voter, i think Jarvis is the one who could reach out to other parties' supporters best. And wile it's not something Chuka can be held at fault for, his status as a London MP is another possible negative.
As a non-Labour voter, i think Jarvis is the one who could reach out to other parties' supporters best. And wile it's not something Chuka can be held at fault for, his status as a London MP is another possible negative.
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On Umunna, he has today said that membership of the single market must be sacrificed if it entails complete freedom of movement. Isn't this what Corbyn said a couple of weeks ago and was slated for by many Labour centrists?
True enough. The main thing is I don't understand why he decided the day after the leadership polls closed was a great time to have another pop at Corbyn.
True enough. The main thing is I don't understand why he decided the day after the leadership polls closed was a great time to have another pop at Corbyn.
He's never been one for solid political timing. As for why he's having a pop, there isn't enough rendition, torture, warmongering and scope to profit from the subsequent refugee crisis, in Corbyn's Labour party for Dave's liking.
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Or Owen Smith by extension really