Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

I think they were definitely referring to all three, just that maybe they weren't expecting to be taken seriously in the case of Pollard. The Stephen Pollard "non-jew" link in the article leads to poorly written satirical piece that seems to me to mockingly question whether or not he's been circumcised - something the author thinks Pollard's paper takes a little too seriously, this taken as evidence to accuse Pollard of perhaps protesting too much. (The original article no longer exists, the above is a link to the cache'd version)

Below is their "avoiding anti-semitism" guide (spoilered as fairly big images):

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We are a group of British Jews who are deeply proud of being Jewish. We have always put humour and satire at the heart of what we do – because, frankly, politics and religion are far too dull otherwise. But don’t be mistaken: we are completely serious about what we do.

Since 2005, we have attempted to build a community based around activist, socialist and diasporist Judaism in the UK. While most of us are also active in our local synagogues and other Jewish cultural organisations, only together have we felt able to build the kind of freethinking, traditionally radical Judaism that is needed in the 21st century.

Over those 13 years we have held many events. We have hosted Rootless Cosmopolitan Yeshivas, and Jewish study nights, where participants learn about Talmud, philosophy, and Jewish poetry. We organised the East London Sukkah – a week-long festival in Hackney City Farm, packed with music, film and interfaith events. We coordinated a film festival at the Rio Cinema in Dalston, showcasing a documentary about the long tradition of Jewish socialist and anarchist activism.

We organised a concert of classical Judeo-Arabic music in a synagogue, harking back to a rich tradition of Jewish-Islamic co-operation. We have regularly called out, condemned and marched against neo-fascists, such as when far-right groups attempted to demonstrate in Stamford Hill and Golders Green. We have regularly spoken out against antisemitism on both the right and the left. We organise Friday night dinners, festival gatherings and community celebrations.

We created the organisation Babel’s Blessing – a radical language school that teaches diaspora languages and uses the profits to offer free English classes to migrants in the UK. And we have organised a large number of life-affirming and deeply Jewish parties attended by hundreds of young Jews and their friends – from the legendary Punk Purim in 2005, to our most recent Purim Queer Cabaret, only a month ago.

Many young Jews have told us that without our activities they would have left Judaism altogether, dismayed by strands in the Jewish world which grow ever more rightwing, closed-minded, and nationalistic.

We are one chain in a long historical tradition of radical Judaism, both in Britain and abroad. We particularly celebrate the heritage of the Jewish Labour Bund, the great Jewish socialist organisation that had a huge following in Russia and eastern Europe in the first half of the 20th century. Last night we paid tribute to an old Bundist friend – Chaim Neslen – who died only days ago. We hope to uphold the traditions that Chaim and others built.

One event that we organise every year is a Passover seder, demonstrating the importance this Jewish holiday has for all of us. We have always tried to blend traditional rituals with radical commentaries, following the traditions and practices of progressive Jews for well over 100 years. A socialist understanding of the seder is deeply in keeping with the traditional texts that we read, particularly the famous Aramaic declaration Ha Lachma Anya: “This is the bread of oppression that our ancestors ate in the land of Egypt. Let all who are hungry come and eat, let all who are in need come and share our Passover”.

Initially small-scale private events, these have grown every year as more people wanted to come, attracted by the joyful atmosphere, warm community and serious religious and cultural reflection. Around 100 people attended this year, almost all of them Jewish.

When this year a friend and constituent of Jeremy Corbyn invited him to attend, he accepted the invitation. He came, bringing horseradish from his own allotment for use on the communal seder plate (the horseradish symbolises the bitterness the Israelites experienced as slaves to Pharaoh in Egypt). He sat attentively through a four-hour event, agreeing gamely to read the Elijah’s cup section when asked. He participated fully, and chatted afterwards to many attendees. We were very happy to have him as a guest, and he was happy to join us.

In a normal situation, you might think that the leader of the opposition attending a seder with a group of 100 young, committed Jews might be a simple good news story. But if you’re determined to brand Jeremy Corbyn an antisemite, it seems that literally any story will do.

We have grown used to being smeared as self-hating Jews. But labelling us a source of “virulent antisemitism” as the Board of Deputies leader, Jonathan Arkush, did today is seriously scraping the barrel. The truth is, we love Judaism and Jewish culture, as every one of our events demonstrates.

The idea that there is a “mainstream Jewish community” is a fiction, promoted by a group of self-selecting individuals and institutions who have run out of ideas. There are approximately 300,000 Jews in Britain, with a huge diversity of religious and political ideas represented among them.

No single organisation can speak for us all. To claim that we in Jewdas are somehow not real Jews is offensive, and frankly antisemitic. Chag Sameach to everyone – wishing you all a happy Passover. May we use this festival to liberate ourselves from all oppression and stand up for justice everywhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/jeremy-corbyn-passover-jewdas-good-news
 
The real question here - was it beetroot or horseradish that he brought? Demand clarification.
 
Hmm, do you not think the 2017 election was Corbyn's high water mark?

He was starting with very low expectations, against high expectations for May, who turned out to be rather incompetent. The Brexit referendum was recent enough for the students and young to turn out in large numbers, but many if not all of these things will be different next time around. May will (surely) be gone, and everyone will expect even greater things from JC. The only hope he has is that Brexit goes disastrously, and he can capitalise on the job the Tories have done in negotiating an unpopular withdrawal.
In terms of popularity, I imagine the summer of '17 will be the high watermark for JC.

But Labour really should win the next election, considering the length of time that the Tories have been in power and how unpopular their current leadership is. Whether that's Corbyn or his successor, they'll likely win the most seats in that election if they continue to go down a populist approach.

It's ludicrously difficult for a 12 years old government to have a convincing counter argument to an organised opposition in that case. You're stuck between a silly position of needing to offer something new while giving a defence of everything that's upset people over the last decade, while also not providing the opposition with an obvious pushback of 'why have you not done this already' to all of your flagship policies.

I want to argue that these cycles are more significant than what specific policies the opposition party actually proposes, but I've nothing to really back that up. Mostly a hunch based on how tired the current Tories, 2010 Labour Government and 90's Conservatives all looked.
 
In terms of popularity, I imagine the summer of '17 will be the high watermark for JC.

But Labour really should win the next election, considering the length of time that the Tories have been in power and how unpopular their current leadership is. Whether that's Corbyn or his successor, they'll likely win the most seats in that election if they continue to go down a populist approach.

It's ludicrously difficult for a 12 years old government to have a convincing counter argument to an organised opposition in that case. You're stuck between a silly position of needing to offer something new while giving a defence of everything that's upset people over the last decade, while also not providing the opposition with an obvious pushback of 'why have you not done this already' to all of your flagship policies.

I want to argue that these cycles are more significant than what specific policies the opposition party actually proposes, but I've nothing to really back that up. Mostly a hunch based on how tired the current Tories, 2010 Labour Government and 90's Conservatives all looked.

The Torries were 13 years in 1991 and Labour was winning in polling. I still remember the advert "Labour's spending will see your tax increase. What will you give up when you have less money in your pocket?". Then it shows a couple deciding whether they'd give up their holiday or car or etc etc. I think that add swung the election. This was the days of 4 channels where you couldn't miss it.
 
I think they were definitely referring to all three, just that maybe they weren't expecting to be taken seriously in the case of Pollard. The Stephen Pollard "non-jew" link in the article leads to poorly written satirical piece that seems to me to mockingly question whether or not he's been circumcised - something the author thinks Pollard's paper takes a little too seriously, this taken as evidence to accuse Pollard of perhaps protesting too much. (The original article no longer exists, the above is a link to the cache'd version)

Below is their "avoiding anti-semitism" guide (spoilered as fairly big images):

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Again this is cached as the original jewdas link is unavailable.
If anything, this leaflet is involuntary evidence for how naive their approach is, and how bad things actually can be. I mean, imagine being in a political environment where you deem it necessary to inform fellow marchers that black people aren't lazy, dim-witted subhumans who can't be as civilised as others. And then politely ask them to "please avoid" such claims and imagery, as if things like that happen by accident or through mere misinformation.

"Control the media/banks/country", "horns or [probably tail] as the Devil", "drinking blood or eating children" - deary me.
 
May was catapulted into the PM role following the referendum - which was a total earthquake for the country and the EU alike. She called the election based on the polls because correctly, the anticipated landslide would have strengthened her hand. She was dreadfully advised, poorly supported, lacked agility and ultimately ran the worst campaign of any party in living memory. Along the way there were some of the worst terrorist atrocities to hit this the country in years. She lost her majority, looked mortally wounded and then Grenfell! She has also had to battle with varying dissenting factions in the Tory party. But she is still there and recently she hasn't looked that bad. She has a bit of staying power.

The current government is not the best - I don't know of any government that could have claimed to be the best. However, anyone who reckons that Jeremy Corbyn and his gang could do better is totally deluded. There is no way his doctrine would work. Not here, not now, not anywhere, not ever.
 
May was catapulted into the PM role following the referendum - which was a total earthquake for the country and the EU alike. She called the election based on the polls because correctly, the anticipated landslide would have strengthened her hand. She was dreadfully advised, poorly supported, lacked agility and ultimately ran the worst campaign of any party in living memory. Along the way there were some of the worst terrorist atrocities to hit this the country in years. She lost her majority, looked mortally wounded and then Grenfell! She has also had to battle with varying dissenting factions in the Tory party. But she is still there and recently she hasn't looked that bad. She has a bit of staying power.

The current government is not the best - I don't know of any government that could have claimed to be the best. However, anyone who reckons that Jeremy Corbyn and his gang could do better is totally deluded. There is no way his doctrine would work. Not here, not now, not anywhere, not ever.
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If anything, this leaflet is involuntary evidence for how naive their approach is, and how bad things actually can be. I mean, imagine being in a political environment where you deem it necessary to inform fellow marchers that black people aren't lazy, dim-witted subhumans who can't be as civilised as others. And then politely ask them to "please avoid" such claims and imagery, as if things like that happen by accident or through mere misinformation.

"Control the media/banks/country", "horns or [probably tail] as the Devil", "drinking blood or eating children" - deary me.

I'd imagine some of that is tongue in cheek in jest. But most people are consciously or unconciously racist with racial stereotypes or biases to some level or another.
 
May was catapulted into the PM role following the referendum - which was a total earthquake for the country and the EU alike. She called the election based on the polls because correctly, the anticipated landslide would have strengthened her hand. She was dreadfully advised, poorly supported, lacked agility and ultimately ran the worst campaign of any party in living memory. Along the way there were some of the worst terrorist atrocities to hit this the country in years. She lost her majority, looked mortally wounded and then Grenfell! She has also had to battle with varying dissenting factions in the Tory party. But she is still there and recently she hasn't looked that bad. She has a bit of staying power.

The current government is not the best - I don't know of any government that could have claimed to be the best. However, anyone who reckons that Jeremy Corbyn and his gang could do better is totally deluded. There is no way his doctrine would work. Not here, not now, not anywhere, not ever.

Given the performance May and her team of brexiteers are offering that is quite a statement. Takes some doing to be worse than making deals without consulting the ones you need to have support from. What could Corbyn possible have done that is worse than triggering article 50 and then doing feck all for a year?
 
May was catapulted into the PM role following the referendum - which was a total earthquake for the country and the EU alike. She called the election based on the polls because correctly, the anticipated landslide would have strengthened her hand. She was dreadfully advised, poorly supported, lacked agility and ultimately ran the worst campaign of any party in living memory. Along the way there were some of the worst terrorist atrocities to hit this the country in years. She lost her majority, looked mortally wounded and then Grenfell! She has also had to battle with varying dissenting factions in the Tory party. But she is still there and recently she hasn't looked that bad. She has a bit of staying power.

The current government is not the best - I don't know of any government that could have claimed to be the best. However, anyone who reckons that Jeremy Corbyn and his gang could do better is totally deluded. There is no way his doctrine would work. Not here, not now, not anywhere, not ever.

A better job for whom? For the upper middle and upper classes on the property ladder they probably might not do a better job for those. For those who aren't on the property ladder they'll do a better job of getting a home because home building will increase. For those wanting to go to higher education without wealthy parents he'll do a better job. For the small business owners helped by investment bank he will do a better job. For those relying on the NHS, he'll do a better job. For those relying on public services to aid their disabilities he'll do a better job.

In terms of the economy, investment of this level will trigger growth because when you give the poor to average money they spend it and that increased spending triggers economic growth. A softer Brexit would also see economic advantages.

As for the doctrine of left wing politics not working, it works fine in the Nordic countries.
 
If anything, this leaflet is involuntary evidence for how naive their approach is, and how bad things actually can be. I mean, imagine being in a political environment where you deem it necessary to inform fellow marchers that black people aren't lazy, dim-witted subhumans who can't be as civilised as others. And then politely ask them to "please avoid" such claims and imagery, as if things like that happen by accident or through mere misinformation.

"Control the media/banks/country", "horns or [probably tail] as the Devil", "drinking blood or eating children" - deary me.


Exactly.

Worse still, Corbyn dare not even recognise/challenge Muslim antisemitism which is the big elephant in the room/ this thread. So nothing will change.
 
Given the performance May and her team of brexiteers are offering that is quite a statement. Takes some doing to be worse than making deals without consulting the ones you need to have support from. What could Corbyn possible have done that is worse than triggering article 50 and then doing feck all for a year?
You truly think that Labour would have done better?? Corbyn has splinters up his arse he sits on the fence so much.
 
A better job for whom? For the upper middle and upper classes on the property ladder they probably might not do a better job for those. For those who aren't on the property ladder they'll do a better job of getting a home because home building will increase. For those wanting to go to higher education without wealthy parents he'll do a better job. For the small business owners helped by investment bank he will do a better job. For those relying on the NHS, he'll do a better job. For those relying on public services to aid their disabilities he'll do a better job.

In terms of the economy, investment of this level will trigger growth because when you give the poor to average money they spend it and that increased spending triggers economic growth. A softer Brexit would also see economic advantages.

As for the doctrine of left wing politics not working, it works fine in the Nordic countries.

This all costs money and if you really think that taxing the rich and business is going to pay for it then think again. The Tories big mistake during the last election was that they should have kicked massive holes in Corbyn's pie-in-the-sky totally unfunded promises. Don't you see? He, by all accounts was going to get hammered. He could promise the earth in the sure knowledge he would never have to deliver. Boom! all the kids buy it.

Can you not see the paradox that if you tax business, they will feck off elsewhere. If you tax the rich (like in the 70's) they will too. If the rich go and businesses go then unemployment will rise. Welfare payments will rise and eventually they will have no choice but to tax all of us. When I started work in 75 the basic rate of tax was 35% rising to 83%. All that was used for was to prop up failing industries. Public services were crap because they were always on strike for more pay because their bloody taxes were too high!
 
This all costs money and if you really think that taxing the rich and business is going to pay for it then think again. The Tories big mistake during the last election was that they should have kicked massive holes in Corbyn's pie-in-the-sky totally unfunded promises. Don't you see? He, by all accounts was going to get hammered. He could promise the earth in the sure knowledge he would never have to deliver. Boom! all the kids buy it.

Can you not see the paradox that if you tax business, they will feck off elsewhere. If you tax the rich (like in the 70's) they will too. If the rich go and businesses go then unemployment will rise. Welfare payments will rise and eventually they will have no choice but to tax all of us. When I started work in 75 the basic rate of tax was 35% rising to 83%. All that was used for was to prop up failing industries. Public services were crap because they were always on strike for more pay because their bloody taxes were too high!

Oh absolutely feck off.

If you're going to boil down Corbyn's appeal to 'DEM THICK KIDS WHO DON'T KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR THEM' then you've got your head buried in the sand. Labour won every demographic up to 40-49. The crossover age where someone was more likely to vote Conservative than Labour was 48.

It's also absolutely laughable to defend the party pushing an economically destructive withdrawal from the EU based on them somehow being an economically sound choice.
 
This all costs money and if you really think that taxing the rich and business is going to pay for it then think again. The Tories big mistake during the last election was that they should have kicked massive holes in Corbyn's pie-in-the-sky totally unfunded promises. Don't you see? He, by all accounts was going to get hammered. He could promise the earth in the sure knowledge he would never have to deliver. Boom! all the kids buy it.

Can you not see the paradox that if you tax business, they will feck off elsewhere. If you tax the rich (like in the 70's) they will too. If the rich go and businesses go then unemployment will rise. Welfare payments will rise and eventually they will have no choice but to tax all of us. When I started work in 75 the basic rate of tax was 35% rising to 83%. All that was used for was to prop up failing industries. Public services were crap because they were always on strike for more pay because their bloody taxes were too high!

You do realise that the Tories are doing precisely the same thing right now? Just the other day May promised to fund the NHS with absolutely no content on how, just the usual bullshit of "oh we'll fund it!". Next day she then makes the same promise with School Dinners only to then have to admit that it was a lie and they have no money to pay for it.

If you're going to attack Corbyns manifesto then you should do the same with the Tories and have a go at them when they openly LIE to the general public in an attempt to score political points. Naturally this Government is so incompetent that it backfires on them a few days later, yet you honestly think they'd do better than Corbyn? We've had 10 years of Tories and its resulted in this country slowly falling apart.

Edit: Also, i'm of the generation that had university fees applied just as I was about to go to Uni. Followed by a recession which resulted in the Company I was working for going under. Add to that a housing market that is so fecking expensive that it's extremely difficult to purchase a house (renting or nothing). Then get 10 years of Tories that have pushed this country in entirely the wrong direction from my perspective. Get Brexit, which is something I opposed and now we have people like you claiming "Boom! All the kids buy it.".

Sorry John, but feck right off. Some of us are fecking tired of having dogshit Governments constantly fecking all over us. This is why for my Generation and younger want a change and you may not agree with his Politics, but Corbyn offers that. Maybe we're asking too much with Corbyn and perhaps our ideals of having a Government give a shit about the poor/middle classes is fool hardy. But the Tories end goal is to simply extend the gap between the Rich and the Poor and i'm tired of it.
 
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This all costs money and if you really think that taxing the rich and business is going to pay for it then think again. The Tories big mistake during the last election was that they should have kicked massive holes in Corbyn's pie-in-the-sky totally unfunded promises. Don't you see? He, by all accounts was going to get hammered. He could promise the earth in the sure knowledge he would never have to deliver. Boom! all the kids buy it.

Can you not see the paradox that if you tax business, they will feck off elsewhere. If you tax the rich (like in the 70's) they will too. If the rich go and businesses go then unemployment will rise. Welfare payments will rise and eventually they will have no choice but to tax all of us. When I started work in 75 the basic rate of tax was 35% rising to 83%. All that was used for was to prop up failing industries. Public services were crap because they were always on strike for more pay because their bloody taxes were too high!

Yeah imagine what would happen to the public finances if huge multinational companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, Starbucks paid essentially no tax in this country.
 
Oh absolutely feck off.

If you're going to boil down Corbyn's appeal to 'DEM THICK KIDS WHO DON'T KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR THEM' then you've got your head buried in the sand. Labour won every demographic up to 40-49. The crossover age where someone was more likely to vote Conservative than Labour was 48.

It's also absolutely laughable to defend the party pushing an economically destructive withdrawal from the EU based on them somehow being an economically sound choice.
If they went to the country now Labour would lose.
 
You do realise that the Tories are doing precisely the same thing right now? Just the other day May promised to fund the NHS with absolutely no content on how, just the usual bullshit of "oh we'll fund it!". Next day she then makes the same promise with School Dinners only to then have to admit that it was a lie and they have no money to pay for it.

If you're going to attack Corbyns manifesto then you should do the same with the Tories and have a go at them when they openly LIE to the general public in an attempt to score political points. Naturally this Government is so incompetent that it backfires on them a few days later, yet you honestly think they'd do better than Corbyn? We've had 10 years of Tories and its resulted in this country slowly falling apart.

Edit: Also, i'm of the generation that had university fees applied just as I was about to go to Uni. Followed by a recession which resulted in the Company I was working for going under. Add to that a housing market that is so fecking expensive that it's extremely difficult to purchase a house (renting or nothing). Then get 10 years of Tories that have pushed this country in entirely the wrong direction from my perspective. Get Brexit, which is something I opposed and now we have people like you claiming "Boom! All the kids buy it.".

Sorry John, but feck right off. Some of us are fecking tired of having dogshit Governments constantly fecking all over us. This is why for my Generation and younger want a change and you may not agree with his Politics, but Corbyn offers that. Maybe we're asking too much with Corbyn and perhaps our ideals of having a Government give a shit about the poor/middle classes is fool hardy. But the Tories end goal is to simply extend the gap between the Rich and the Poor and i'm tired of it.

Gosh I wish you could have seen the 70's. Of course you buy it. He's promising you Shangri La. I have a wife kids and a mortgage, I come from a shit-poor working class background and I have worked from an apprentice to where I am now. I am in my 43rd year of work and I do not want to see a return to the bad old days. Not for me or for my daughter. So sorry friend but you feck right off. Corbyn will not make things better he will just kill aspiration and enterprise stone dead because he believes that we should all be wearing the same clothes and caps with red stars on them.
 
Gosh I wish you could have seen the 70's. Of course you buy it. He's promising you Shangri La. I have a wife kids and a mortgage, I come from a shit-poor working class background and I have worked from an apprentice to where I am now. I am in my 43rd year of work and I do not want to see a return to the bad old days. Not for me or for my daughter. So sorry friend but you feck right off. Corbyn will not make things better he will just kill aspiration and enterprise stone dead because he believes that we should all be wearing the same clothes and caps with red stars on them.

Troll / Daily Mail reader and therefore you may join my ignore list. Congrats.
 
oh man imagine thinking the party of slightly higher taxes is going to scare more businesses than the party actively seppukking our trade agreements

The country did that - in the referendum. The Government are just trying to deliver. The message from TM has not changed. If the Country didn't agree then it should have voted her out. It didn't.

Labour's 'current' thinking on how Brexit should be delivered would cause total uproar.
 
The country did that - in the referendum. The Government are just trying to deliver. The message from TM has not changed. If the Country didn't agree then it should have voted her out. It didn't.

Labour's 'current' thinking on how Brexit should be delivered would cause total uproar.
half the country voted for it, don't be so dishonest with that name, and they didn't vote for any specific kind of brexit, it was just vague enough to make sure everyone is unhappy no matter how it ends
 
half the country voted for it, don't be so dishonest with that name, and they didn't vote for any specific kind of brexit, it was just vague enough to make sure everyone is unhappy no matter how it ends
Listen, I voted remain. But I was out-voted so now we have to get on with it. It is easy to sit on the side lines and kick holes in everything that is being proposed or negotiated.

But I do not see the Labour party going over there and doing anything other but agreeing a deal that is remain in all but name. And believe me the reaction would be 10 times worse if that happened.
 
:lol: oh come on, you're literally just repeating the daily mail

no we don't have to get on with it, if half the country votes to jump off a cliff you have the right to tell them to feck themselves
For your information I never read the Daily Mail.

As far as I can see we are trying to get a deal. One that satisfies the leavers - i.e. control of borders, laws etc. and allows us to strike trade deals with other countries. But also one that preserves good trade and security relations with the EU. It's not a cake walk and there are issues to resolve, but I believe they are trying in good faith to achieve those ends. Pray tell. Given the messages of the referendum, what is wrong with that approach? Do you honestly believe that the Government cynically wants us to float off into the Atlantic with jack-shit knowing full well that the first thing that would happen after that is they would lose power?
 
For your information I never read the Daily Mail.

As far as I can see we are trying to get a deal. One that satisfies the leavers - i.e. control of borders, laws etc. and allows us to strike trade deals with other countries. But also one that preserves good trade and security relations with the EU. It's not a cake walk and there are issues to resolve, but I believe they are trying in good faith to achieve those ends. Pray tell. Given the messages of the referendum, what is wrong with that approach? Do you honestly believe that the Government cynically wants us to float off into the Atlantic with jack-shit knowing full well that the first thing that would happen after that is they would lose power?
First stage agreement: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/joint_report.pdf

EU draft withdrawl agreement :https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement.pdf

TLDR: every word you wrote is wrong, we're either getting a faux brexit or no deal
 
First stage agreement: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/joint_report.pdf

EU draft withdrawl agreement :https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement.pdf

TLDR: every word you wrote is wrong, we're either getting a faux brexit or no deal

What is a faux Brexit? As far as I see if we can control who comes and goes in this country, what the law of the Land is and stop paying fees to the EU then that is Brexit. The rest is trade negotiations with the EU and the rest of the world
 
What is a faux Brexit? As far as I see if we can control who comes and goes in this country, what the law of the Land is and stop paying fees to the EU then that is Brexit. The rest is trade negotiations with the EU and the rest of the world
How are you going to do that while leaving Ireland borderless and maintaining regulatory alignment between the north and republic, and maintaining regulatory alignment between NI and mainland UK?