Er yeah trot aren't that left wing and they are dislike by most of the Labour left.
Er yeah trot aren't that left wing and they are dislike by most of the Labour left.
Classic. Down with the trot splitters. Up the people's front for Judea.
Yeah, that's why I suspect I may have just missed obvious sarcasm in @Untied's post and everyone's rolling their eyes now. Especially since Angell's twitter looks full-on SJW and quite likeable at first sight.
Peter Hitchens used to be a trot for christ sake. Also https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/my-articles-on-momentum-and-trotskyists-281ec6b7163c
The article paints an attractive democratic change in the party, but it somehow misses how momentum despises everyone not their own. Still, one has to support one member one vote I suppose, wherever it takes you.
Peter Hitchens used to be a trot for christ sake. Also https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/my-articles-on-momentum-and-trotskyists-281ec6b7163c
We're talking about the Jess Phillips that people have only heard of, outside her constituency, because she made up a story about telling Diane Abbott to feck off, right? Who then followed that up by going on the BBC just prior to the election to laugh and joke about how crap she is with Tory MPs?Or maybe this all just a case of one liberal, pro-European, female politician supporting another?
We're talking about the Jess Phillips that people have only heard of, outside her constituency, because she made up a story about telling Diane Abbott to feck off, right?
Ha.Eh? I thought we heard about her in this thread because of her recent comments about Amber Rudd?
Oh you were being serious. Jess has been dining out on her made up story about telling Diane Abbott to feck off (and then publicly wondering why more people don't do it - then acted shocked and appalled when thousands of people continue to do just that) for years, she's become the media darling she is almost entirely because of it. Well, that and her willingness to appear in any TV, radio or print media segment about how she's best mates with Tory MPs, especially anti-abortion (even in cases of rape/incest) and dining partner to people who advocate the repatriation of "non-indigenous" Britons, Jacob Rees-Mogg. Before her big media break, her only other political claim to fame outside of Birmingham Yardley was ousting Dawn Butler as chair of the Women's Parliamentary Labour Party.
Oh you were being serious. Jess has been dining out on her made up story about telling Diane Abbott to feck off (and then publicly wondering why more people don't do it - then acted shocked and appalled when thousands of people continue to do just that) for years, she's become the media darling she is almost entirely because of it. Well, that and her willingness to appear in any TV, radio or print media segment about how she's best mates with Tory MPs, especially anti-abortion (even in cases of rape/incest) and dining partner to people who advocate the repatriation of "non-indigenous" Britons, Jacob Rees-Mogg. Before her big media break, her only other political claim to fame outside of Birmingham Yardley was ousting Dawn Butler as chair of the Women's Parliamentary Labour Party.
So, at best, her supporting of women in politics is a little more selective than that of people in opposing parties.
Mr Rees-Mogg, who has recently been tipped as a potential Tory leadership candidate, told Good Morning Britain yesterday: “I am completely opposed to abortion, life begins at the point of conception. “With same-sex marriage, that is something that people are doing for themselves. With abortion, that is what people are doing to the unborn child." Asked if his view applied in all circumstances including rape, the MP said he was “afraid so,” but added that he didn't think the law should change. The remarks were met with immediate condemnation, with Labour MP Jess Phillips saying the choices women make over their own bodies “should have nothing to do with the religious views of our politicians,” Link
Maria Caulfield, the Conservative party’s vice-chair for women, has called for a debate on reducing the 24-week time limit for women to receive legal abortions. “The 24-week limit was introduced at a time when babies were really not viable at 24 weeks. Now babies who are born premature grow up to live long, healthy lives like the rest of us.” Jess Phillips, chair of the women’s parliamentary Labour party, criticised Caulfield’s comments. She said: “Maria Caulfield is anti-choice and should have the guts to say it rather than pussyfooting with step-by-step limiting measures. “She bases her views not on clinical evidence but on conservative attitudes that don’t trust women to make the choices that are right for them. I trust clinicians and women, not those who wish to control us.” Link
Hmmm... I'll happily admit I know very little about her but your character assassination seems like exactly the sort of thing that caused @Oscie to bring her name into the discussion. I mean, let's focus on the bit in bold (which is on my mind, because of the imminent referendum in Ireland)
A quick google for her views on this topic reveals the following:
Your beef seems to mainly be with her having an (alleged) row with Diane Abbott, her willingness to talk to the media (maybe Abbott could learn a thing or two from her about how to handle these interviews?) and daring to have friends who are conservative MPs. Seems like a bit of a leap from all of that to discredit her political opinions.
All of which is a great example of the likes of Momentum smearing people based on the company they keep rather than the policies they support. It all seems unnecessarily divisive and - as I said - is a terrible way to win a general election.
According to her, Jess abused Diane Abbott because she told her that she wasn't the only feminist in the Labour Party. That incident was enough for her to abuse her then, publicly wonder why more people didn't tell Diane Abbott similar things (check out how often that happens to occur now) and make sure to talk her down whenever given the chance, including saying she'd like to see her deselected when asked who she'd like to see kicked out of Labour, or 'discrediting her political opinions' as you put it. Pointing out that she isn't the only feminist in the Labour Party was the line when it came to Jess and Diane Abbott.Your beef seems to mainly be with her having an (alleged) row with Diane Abbott, her willingness to talk to the media (maybe Abbott could learn a thing or two from her about how to handle these interviews?) and daring to have friends who are conservative MPs. Seems like a bit of a leap from all of that to discredit her political opinions. All of which is a great example of the Labour party eating itself from within.
"Everyone knows that opposites attract, but what does an Old Etonian, Conservative Brexiteer have in common with an outspoken, Brummie, feminist Remainer? Find out as they share anecdotes from their unlikely friendship across the green benches with The Timescolumnist Hugo Rifkind."
Thank goodness the public at large haven't been disenfranchised by politics, as they view the parties as all being the same, or this would seem like they might have a point.All politicians from all sides have friends that span the political divide. Its really only within hardline supporter factions where such infantile divisions exist.
His beef is with her because she isn't a Corbyn lickspittle.
She is bloody annoying mind.
Thank goodness the public at large haven't been disenfranchised by politics, as they view the parties as all being the same, or this would seem like they might have a point.
I’m sure she is. And if she really is pals with Rees-Mogg then she also has terrible taste in friends. She can be both of these things and a decent politician, mind you.
I have friends who have radically different politics to me. On the right and on the left. As a mature (ish!) adult this isn’t a difficult or unusual thing to do. It all seems a bit schoolyard to decide who people are and aren’t allowed to have as friends and dismiss any politician who dares befriend the “wrong” people.
I don't want my politicians laughing and joking with people who continue to vote on policies that makes peoples lives worse. I find it damages the impression that they give much of a shit, especially as their goal every 5 years should be to make them unemployed and completely ineffective in the years between.What’s your take on “the public at large” having friends with different politics to them? Is that ok? Do we only crucify politicians who behave this way? Asking for a friend.
Reminds me of an interview I read with Tom Morello, he's a lifelong political activist on the socialist side of things but he counts Trump and gun nut Ted Nugent as a close friend.
“Ted Nugent’s a good friend to me. We have very similar views on freedom of speech,” Morello tells the Guardian. “His libertarian edge and my anarchist edge overlap considerably. Sometimes, if he says something outrageous that will fire up his racist base, I’ll text him to say, ‘Dude. What are you on about?’ We’re able to talk about it as friends as opposed to people on the opposite sides of the barricade.”
I’m sure she is. And if she really is pals with Rees-Mogg then she also has terrible taste in friends. She can be both of these things and a decent politician, mind you.
I have friends who have radically different politics to me. On the right and on the left. As a mature (ish!) adult this isn’t a difficult or unusual thing to do. It all seems a bit schoolyard to decide who people are and aren’t allowed to have as friends and dismiss any politician who dares befriend the “wrong” people.
Do let me know when that starts happening.I'd go further and suggest that it is essential that our representatives like and respect each another (as much as that is possible) in order to foster compromise and cooperation. They should do what they can to find some common ground, even with the biggest cnuts, to try and get things done.
Do let me know when that starts happening.
This 'compromise and co-operation' thing is what supposedly led the Lib Dems to agree to tighten benefit sanctions in exchange for a 5p charge on plastic bags.
I'll put it in stronger terms than I previously did - it's largely a middle class luxury where you get to be chummy with whoever you want whilst not worrying too much if they're pretty relaxed about poor people suffering.
Peace in Northern Ireland?See above...
Do let me know when that starts happening.
Do go on. I'd be interested to hear some specifics of how cross-party work will alleviate the worst dangers of brexit.See above...
If you want a more contemporary (and less Irish) example of the importance of cross-party cooperation then how about Brexit? That’s going to feck your country hard enough as it is; if the whole thing degenerates any further into party-political point scoring and parliament can’t find a way to work together then the outcome could be catastrophic.
Seriously - I had to listen to Vivaldi's Spring for an hour and a half during various phone calls to the DWP this morning because they've fecked my benefits up and aren't paying me enough to live on.
You bourgeois co-operational centrists shall face the same when the time comes...
Your spuds won't save you from the gallows, Grin.If you didn't call us names and treat us with contempt I'd possibly send you a fiver and a sack of spuds.
Your spuds won't save you from the gallows, Grin.
Way ahead of you there, the bleeding hearts make catholic guilt look like mild discomfort.You'd have to live with your guilt.
There are a ton of factions in the Labour Party. From my limited knowledge(This is very a broad breakdown and shouldn't be taken that literally)So it's Movementists vs Trotskyists vs Blairites vs any other factions I'm forgetting?
Witch Hunt! Is that you Donald?This.
The pejorative 'Tory' taunts are tiresome to be honest. It's not as if all Tories are Nazis in disguise. Blair's as much to blame for this as anyone given the way he demonised the Tories under Major, but seriously, it adds nothing to the debate.
Replace the word 'Tory' with 'witch' and we could be back in Salem in the late 1600s.
I can think of the NHS reforms the Lib Dems nodded along in exchange for a vote on AV?It happens everyday but you clearly don't bother to seek it out.
Someone who doesn't try to oppose the elected party leader at every opportunity. The centrists went out of there way to undermine the leadership even going as far as calling votes of no confidence and putting up candidates to oust Corbyn. Now that it's obvious that it wont work they are all, how do we work together? The thing is the first sign of weakness and they'll be all over him like sharks in a feeding frenzy again.So what should you be?