He’s been calling for a snap election, so it really does.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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He’s been calling for a snap election, so it really does.
This happens every few months a single poll will come out showing labour 5-6 points behind and everyone loses their shit. Then within two weeks another poll comes out showing Labour and the Tories both on 40%. Just check out the Westminster thread.
He's a Eurosceptic right? Has he actually done anything good for remainers? He has to be one of the most limp opposition leaders I've ever seen. I'm not British, but that's my impression. I genuinely can't believe he hasn't been replaced by now.
Even if they’re neck and neck that’s absolutely shocking, considering the laughing stock May et al have become (always were?).
The thought that nags is that considering Corbyn and McDonnell are ardent Leavers, but not honest enough to say so, what other objectives are they covering up?
Maybe nothing, maybe Europe is the exception, and they are always honest about everything else, but they'll never shake that one off for me.
Maybe nothing, maybe Europe is the exception, and they are always honest about everything else, but they'll never shake that one off for me.
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By the same token, you could argue those said views wouldn't make as much of an impact as people expect because he's largely anti-interventionist, and so would probably stay out of most conflicts/arguments abroad. At best you'd see a change in rhetoric, which would admittedly still be quite important even in a symbolic sense.
And probably quite hypocritical. The Labour supporters saying Corbyn lagging behind in the polls doesn't matter are the same ones who'll mock the Lib Dems for their unpopularity due to...err, polling. And while I'm not exactly against any opportunity to mock the Lib Dems, it does demonstrate a certain selective hypocrisy.
That's a bit disingenuous. The lib dem thing is in response to "people are crying out for a remain party!.. uh, no, not that one". No one gives a solitary feck about the lib dems otherwise.
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Surprising as plenty of the corbynistas still seem to think jezza is playing a blinder?...
Wouldn't rule out may going for a general election if she can't get her deal through next week
Apparently the Tories are setting aside rooms and locations in the way they do when an election is imminent. It's fueling a bit of speculation. It may be just that though.
Wasn't Corbyn and Labour meant to be wiped out in the last snap election. Not reading anything into this poll.
Corbyn always plays a blinder in elections, plays well to the masses.
Gawd help us if he got in, we'd end up like Venezuela, but without the oil money.
Gawd help us if he got in, we'd end up like Venezuela, but without the oil money.
The way i see it is that from the very start, Labour should have been all over the Remain campaign, spinning the positives about EU membership, what they’ve done for us etc. instead they will go down as the party who sat on the fence and watched the tories take the country towards potential decades of trying to claw it’s economy back. Corbyn should have been booted out if he didn’t want to take the tories on. I mean it’s not like nobody knew that he hates everything to do with Europe (which I reckon is because he reminds me of the senator palpitine from Star Wars)
"A seven point Conservative lead is the largest since the election. While it is not significantly larger than the 5 or 6 point leads YouGov have been showing this month, it’s a noticeable change to Opinium’s previous recent polls, which have tended to show Labour and Conservative roughly neck-and-neck." They do go on to suggest caution, however. Source: UKpollingreport
He was a fairly unknown quantity at the last election. That won't be the case this time around.
It is indeed. One thing that the British people like is a strong leader almost more than policy.
Corbyn is far from being that person. After all, he did not really want to run in the first place and had to be persuaded.
In my opinion, Labour lost their way when they voted for the wrong Miliband.
David Miliband was head and shoulders more intelligent than his brother and was a person with leadership qualities.
He was described by H Clinton as the brightest and most charismatic politician she had ever met.
Since then it has been a disaster and look where they are now. Almost unelectable.
and she's met, like, 100 people
As many as that. Wow.
Because the current circus have really taken us down a ‘strong and stable’ trajectory amirite?
No, but if you think it's bad now...
I expect it to get even worse with this current bunch. God forbid if youre poor too.
David Miliband's always come across to me as extraordinarily boring. He's undoubtedly quite intelligent but he represents that fairly bland but presentable Blair clone a lot of the party seem to continually desire, instead of recognising that if you want to evolve as a political party you need to evolve instead of trying to just repeat the past. The vision of Labour he represents is, rightfully or wrongfully, one that's largely been consigned to the past now, and I suspect he'd have come across as out-of-touch to significant portions of the electorate.
To be fair, while polling still indicated the Tories would win, they did narrow as the election approach, which was a clear indicator of Corbyn's improving popularity. While I think there's often a lot of unnecessary hysteria when it comes to polling, with each individual one used to confirm certain narratives as opposed to forming parts of a larger trend, they do tend to be fairly accurate in that they'll be 4-5 points out at most a lot of the time. And so either way this isn't particularly impressive for Corbyn: he's been struggling to establish a lead over a dire Tory party thus far and despite their chaotic approach to Brexit he finds himself falling further behind.
Can we offer Donald Tusk the job of leader of the opposition?
That would be hilarious
they make him seem so cool
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I completely agree that more arguments should have been made about the positives of the EU but I think by the time the referendum was called the die was already cast. Governments of both stripes were guilty of painting the EU as either overbearing, incompetent or irrelevant by turns in order to take credit for EU successes and excuse their own failures. The two big issues for Leavers, the perception that the UK had lost its sovereignty because of EU regulation and that was suffering due to unfettered immigration, were egged-on for political gain by both parties throughout the 2000s. Some of the loudest Remainers during the referendum and to this day are the people most responsible for the UKIP-ification of the debate surrounding migration. Blair's contribution to that was huge (I posted about some of it here), he outflanked Ian Duncan Smith's Tory party from the right on immigration in the early 2000s and his offer to the nation prior to the 2005 election included a points-based immigration system and a referendum on whether to leave the EU. Cameron spent 6 years setting arbitrary immigration targets he had no intention or ability to hit and and then blaming it on the EU, Labour under Milliband were selling 'Controls on immigration' mugs going into the 2015 election. When many of the same politicians turned round in 2016 and tried to desperately shore up the dyke they themselves had spend decades tearing down they looked ridiculous. All of which is to say, by the time the referendum was called I don't think many people were legitimately on the fence about it. When it came to the polls, the actions of party leaders during the campaign was probably the last thing on peoples' minds when they voted. In fact, the fact that the politicians didn't want it to happen was a huge plus for Brexit in many peoples' estimations.
In terms of post-referendum, the way Labour played their cards on Brexit was one of the reasons they pulled off a bit of a shock in 2017. I think I'm right in saying that the stats and polling backs up that had Labour gone full Remain (ref. on deal/2nd referendum/cancel Article 50 etc.) into that election they would have been absolutely massacred. I think Corbyn sitting on the fence re: Brexit following that election was part of the strategy to keep the electoral coalition together in case we saw another one. But there's been no realistic chance of that happening for ages now, and like I said, both sides of his coalition are getting understandably tetchy. For my money Labour should have taken the plunge into supporting a referendum on the deal (at the least), about 12 months ago, not because it was politically expedient or to stick it to Theresa May, but simply because it's in the country's best interest. Whether it's a lack of boldness from party leadership or whether it's just that those at the top are quite happy with the soft-Brexit Corbyn is angling for, I'm not 100% sure. Either way it's fecking annoying.
they make him seem so cool
"War replaced with free everything," who wouldn't want that?
Oh Jeremy...
I think Don't Know would be a better PM than both of 'em, mate.
Playing a blinder apparently
I'm generally quite wary of extrapolating too much from polls in the short-term due to their volatility even though I do get annoyed by those who dismiss them as accurate - but these numbers have to surely be especially worrying for Labour. By all accounts he's the one holding him back here; it's not just a case of the party as a whole being unpopular.
Very good post, seen it said a number of times that during the Blair/Brown/Cameron years, any deals/agreements with the EU were always framed in regards to what we hadn't given up, as opposed to what we'd gained. The country found itself governed by a series of PM's who vowed to crack down hard on immigration in public but who didn't care behind closed doors. Which created a weird situation wherein anti-immigration sentiment was the absolute norm, even though we had politicians who didn't intend to address it. The equivalent would be Britain not having an NHS, and politicians of all parties championing one but doing nothing to advance its possible creation while in power. All they did was create a chasm wherein voters felt unrepresented. Instead of championing the benefits of immigration.
Said before that Cameron's approach to the EU would've been like him talking about the virtues of Scottish independence for years before then trying to be seen as a realistic opponent to it. He spent the Brexit referendum as one of Remain's key voices even though he'd spent years badmouthing the EU and showing disdain for it. And yet somehow he was surprised when the country voted to leave. Embarrassing PM all-in.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47169929
No, Jezza, there's definitely not a problem with anti-Semitism amongst your acolytes in the Labour Party. I've been a lifelong Labour voter but I'm becoming increasingly sure I will be voting Lib Dems in the next GE if Corbyn is still leader.
No, Jezza, there's definitely not a problem with anti-Semitism amongst your acolytes in the Labour Party. I've been a lifelong Labour voter but I'm becoming increasingly sure I will be voting Lib Dems in the next GE if Corbyn is still leader.
If you are a Labour MP and you are asked on TV if you intend to leave the party, and you refuse to rule it out I think you should have the whip withdrawn tbh, let alone deselection.
A Labour MP supporting the Labour Party what a crazy idea.
How dare local members, who'll be expected to do the bulk of her reelection campaign's literal legwork, want to be doing so for someone who actually wants a Labour government.
I actually want a Labour government. I don't want a Momentum government, which is what we'd get if Corbyn achieved the impossible and won a GE.
So you don't want a Labour government now then. Glad we cleared that up.
Probably explains why you're not a supposed Labour MP whose local party wants to replace, really.