"Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel!"
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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"Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel!"
Right. At first sight a lot of people would agree with that, but after a bit you think how completely one-sided it is. Which is understandable from a bloke in the pub, but he's spent a good chunk of his life as a professional politician, he should know better.
Any chance of this happening eventually?
It'll only end when policy on Palestine is changed
He's not spoke to Luciana since 2017...
They say the first step to dealing with a problem is admitting it and either he should be admitting tom Watson is correct and putting in place things to fix it ... Or he should be sacking Tom Watson for bringing the party into disrepute
Or frankly he knows it's a problem and just does not care... Which seems more and more likely
Perhaps starting with reporting antisemitic threats to the police and warning the individual concerned would be a better starting point
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-snubs-mp-luciana-berger-over-assault-threat-1.472234
MP Luciana Berger at the 2018 Labour Party conference in Liverpool (Photo: Getty Images)
The Labour leadership has failed to make any contact with Jewish Labour MP Luciana Berger — despite the announcement last week of a criminal investigation into violent antisemitic threats made against her.
The JC understands that neither Jeremy Corbyn nor any member of his senior team has offered support of any kind to Ms Berger after Cressida Dick, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, confirmed last Friday the start of a criminal probe into the threats that appeared in a dossier of abuse from Labour members.
In a series of potentially catastrophic events for Labour, it has emerged that party officials were fully aware of the threats made to Ms Berger — including the suggestion she was a “Zionist Extremist… about (to) get a good kicking” — for at least six months.
Despite the fact that Ms Berger has been a frequent target of extremists since she was elected Liverpool Wavertree MP in 2010, and that Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered by an extremist in 2016, Labour officials failed to alert Ms Berger or the police about the existence of threats now deemed serious enough for an investigation by Scotland Yard.
Sources close to Ms Berger say the conduct of the Labour leadership over this matter has left her dismayed, with a Labour spokesperson saying, “if someone feels they have been a victim of crime they should report it to the police in the usual way”.
But a Labour MP told the JC that this was impossible: Ms Berger could not have reported the threat to the police because the Labour Party had refused to make her aware of it.
One senior Labour figure told the JC it was “shameful the way Mr Corbyn and his supporters, including some very high profile women, were in effect now giving Luciana the cold shoulder.”
The existence of the dossier (compiled by Labour investigating officers ) of 70 cases of antisemitism by Labour members was first reported in September after the contents were handed to radio station LBC by Labour members frustrated with the party’s disputes panel’s failure to act over blatant misconduct.
In one Facebook post contained in the dossier, a party member was shown to have written: “Zionist Extremist MP Luciana Berger, who hates civilised people, about (to) get a good kicking!”
The same individual was also revealed to have shared numerous other antisemitic posts with their 7,000 followers and friends online, including an image suggesting American taxpayers’ money is being channelled into the slaughter of Palestinians by Jewish controllers.
They were only suspended by Labour after the nature of their threats were revealed in September
Another member wrote: “We shall rid the Jews who are a cancer on us all.”
Another report in the dossier related to a party member accused of putting a child through “ten years of hell” and referring to him as “Jew boy”. A Labour member from Yorkshire suggested that Labour MP Yvette Cooper should be invited to a charity abseil, adding: “Then we can throw her off the top — no ropes.”
Leading barrister Simon Myerson QC told the JC that Labour’s tactics in dealing with the contents of the dossier were “beyond comprehension. The suggestion seems to be that Ms Berger could have reported the matter herself: that’s a neat bit of responsibility transferring. But it’s impossible.”
Criticising the party’s behaviour, he said: “If the bizarre decision is taken not to inform the person at risk, I would expect the police to be informed.
"That is a free standing obligation based on straightforward common law principles about the duty of care: the death of Jo Cox adds weight to the need to do so, but doesn’t alter the legal obligation which already existed, in my view.”
Mr Myerson said the decision not to alert Ms Berger “appears to have been carried out by someone who doesn’t have a clue what they were doing, took no legal advice, and has no apparent expertise in assessing threat levels”.
The JC understands that at the July meeting of Labour’s ruling national executive committee, the contents of the dossier, including the subject of “Physical Threats to an MP” were placed on the agenda for discussion, although it is not known if full details were raised in the time allotted for the monthly gathering.
Only one month earlier, the party had appointed Gordon Nardell QC as in-house counsel on disciplinary matters — with general secretary Jennie Formby suggesting that the move signalled her intention to make dealing with antisemitism issues a “priority”.
When asked if Mr Nardell had attended the July NEC meeting and whether he was aware of the contents of the dossier, a Labour spokesman told the JC: “We don’t comment on staffing matters.”
After the announcement of a criminal investigation, Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson broke rank to demand that party members who have “committed hate crimes” face “the full force of law”.
Moderate Labour MPs, including Liz Kendall and Jess Phillips, were amongst those to quickly condemn the “completely unacceptable” attacks on Ms Berger. Ms Phillips, MP for Birmingham Yardley, said Labour’s leadership had a “duty of care” to “end the antisemitism” Ms Berger faced.
A spokesperson for the Labour Party told the JC: “It was only two years ago that Jo Cox was murdered in the street, so of course we take any threat against any of our MPs extremely seriously. We encourage people to report matters to the police if they suspect a crime has been committed and we expect anyone who has committed a crime to be dealt with
Why didn't the people who reported it to the Labour Party warn the individuals concerned or report it to the Police? Seems they judged it wasn't important enough to warn their mates about it
Hang on... The party has threats made via the party to an MP in the wake of joe Cox murder... They have multiple vile anti Semitic and criminal things sent and they don't pass it on to the police.
The person at fault in your view is the whistleblower who took these allegations to the police and media?
The party then try to say Berger should have reported the threats (even though they never warned her ).
The police saw them as credible enough to give her a bodyguard and have made prosecutions...
Yeah no anti-Semitism problem to see here... Move along FFS no wonder the party is fecked with that kind of attitude
People made a number of reports to the Labour Party saying there have been threats to MPs and antisemitism. So these people made the effort to report this to the Labour Party but not the people that it was aimed at.
Ouch.
If we are going to say racist by association thats going to include a lot of zionists
That twitter thread is one big load of shite
If that thread was about any other racial group, and involved any other well known figure, you’d have no problem accusing them of racism. FFS people get accused of being racists for far, far less.
That twitter thread is one big load of shite
I’m assuming you’re a pretty normal guy, sort of like me? I find it increasingly scary that normal people are able to turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff because the political leader in question appeals to their political beliefs.
I think there’s a sentence that’s often thrown around on the internet, starts with the word “This” and ends with the word “started”.
Why didn’t the victims come forward earlier? Why didn’t they say anything at the time? Some of my best friends are Jewish... etc etc. Pretty much the gist of what I am hearing from JC or his zealots. It’s crap.
Any different to believing someone guilty of something because they don’t appeal to your political beliefs? Two sides of the same coin...
The bolded examples are not anti-semitic unless anti-semitism = opposing Israel, which those accusing Corbyn of anti-semitism continually claim is not a conflation they are trying to make. Meanwhile the first three are people he has shared platforms / meetings with in the context of pro-Palestinian campaigning. In other words 7 of his 11 examples are about Israel/Palestine.
The second and third of your bolded examples involve the use of classically antisemitic tropes applied to Israel and Zionism - Jews as a disease who deceptively control the media, and Jews deceiving the world in order to foment conflict. This is exactly where so-called ‘criticism’ of Israel crosses into antisemitic territory. The Hamas example is simply recognizing that Hamas is an organization with antisemitism at the heart of its worldview.
Also I’m not sure why he gets a pass for the first three simply because of the particular context these encounters happened in.
Eh?
A new kind of politics indeed.
No doubt it's just proof that Watson is in the pocket of Murdoch (or some other equally bad excuse)
Will he sack Watson or admit there is a problem...
Or in other words how many MPs will watson take with him when he is sacked / deselected
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that's already what backbench mps unless they're there for the scenery
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It doesn't really sound like you know enough about the Labour Party to be posting in this thread as often as you are. The Labour leader can't sack the deputy - they are both elected democratically by the electoral college system. Watson was elected as deputy in the same election Corbyn first became leader, I remember because I voted for them both.
I voted in the elections myself... And left not long after (had been a member for 15 years)
There are clearly mechanisms for Corbyn sending his anti Semitic hit squad after Watson's role... Including deselecting him
Also wouldn't be the first time people had tried to go after him...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tom-watson-labour-antisemitism-twitter-resignwatson-corbyn-video-ian-austin-a8479081.html?amp
Let's see if Corbyn accepts their is a problem or attacks Watson and there are motions started to remove him
New poll has the Tories 8 points ahead. Ffs..
If she's politically savvy May should call an election before a split off brexit party can get it's act together
fingers crossed, be grand to see how badly she fecks up the second time round
Fair point... Shows just how useless jezbollah is to be 8 points behind doesn't it
that poll is useless btw, unless tigs suddenly find another 630 people to field around the country which they can't because they're not a political party, not that it really matters outside election seasons
I know you don't like the guy, but your portrayal of Corbyn as a sort of mafia boss organising hits on his political rivals using imaginary "mechanisms" is pure fantasy. Aside from the fact that he's not the one-dimensional cartoon villain you see in your head, you're vastly overestimating his political savvy. That sort of maneuvering is more in Watson's wheelhouse; before he was deputy leader his biggest splash in internal party politics was ousting Blair to ensure Brown became the next Prime Minister without any sort of democratic procedure.
He's a very old hand at factional plotting and, as with when he flipped on Blair, basically every statement he's made in the last 4 years has been crafted to put pressure on Corbyn. I'm sure you'll admit that Watson attacking Corbyn on antisemitism comes across shallow and hypocritical given his history. As a then-party member with a passion for opposing racism, you will have been furious when Watson ran that xenophobic by-election campaign for Liam Byrne in 2004.
I do however entirely agree that Corbyn is an issue for Labour. The next leader needs to be able to continue the thread of the 2017 manifesto, the centre-left economic core of which was hugely popular, whilst not having Corbyn's baggage. The problem is that anyone who doesn't immediately bin that in favour of centre right economic policy will find themselves facing the same internal challenges Corbyn has.
Just a few examples
A Facebook post.The framing of that twitter thread is again complete shite.
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The way you've framed that Willsman one is astonishing. You've justified him talking about jewish "Trump fanatics", where he was talking about 68 british rabbis, by posting polling of Israelis. Genuinely exceptional.What? I haven't mentioned Willsman at all ?
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He will start calling them fake news next I suspect
Just a few examples
The framing of that twitter thread is again complete shite.
On Salah's blood libel, I doubt even the folk at Electronic Intifada actually believe his explanation. The judge who came to the decision which that article cites certainly didn't - go to sections 55-59: https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff83f60d03e7f57ebd084. For some reason EI omitted mention of that part of the ruling.
As EI note, the blood libel case was just "one of the accusations leveled at Salah"; according to the BBC, he has also claimed that Jews were warned to stay away from the WTC on 9/11, while his movement has praised bin Laden. EI chose not to address these.
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George Galloway takes on the media
Say it like it is.Hope they do reinstate him.
Say it like it is.Hope they do reinstate him.
Wonder how jezbollah will vote on Hezbollah
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47359502
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47359502