He will be going to prison then?
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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He will be going to prison then?
Unsurprisingly, one of Britain's leading spivs is not a Corbyn fan:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/26/alan-sugar-irate-over-not-owning-bafta-statuette
‘Unbelievable’: Alan Sugar irate over not owning a Bafta award ~Guardian said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/26/alan-sugar-irate-over-not-owning-bafta-statuette
like, a giant statue of Lenin wearing a disguise?
Vladimir Lemon, that would unironically be a great statueThat doesn't answer my question. These people told the party about these messages but couldn't be bothered to tell the actual people they were aimed at. So they themselves judged that this was not worth bothering with beyond reporting it to the party
The centerists were in the shadow cabinet then resigned. Why are they upset when they are exactly where they resigned to be
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47380784
And then people wonder why Corbyn and his cronies are accused of anti-semitism.
And then people wonder why Corbyn and his cronies are accused of anti-semitism.
A story about an MP thinking the party has done too much against anti-semitism and said MP being censored over it is a bad reflection on Corbyns party how exactly?
Looks and sounds to me like he's being roundly applauded when he says the party is too apologetic about the prevalent anti-semitism within it. Pretty sure that's also an indictment and lack of acknowledgement of said anti-semitism.
And Corbyn's response? A demand for an apology, no punishment whatsoever. Yeah, he really does take it seriously.
Well thats momentum members rather than the party applauding.
Are you under the impression Corbyn sits down and handles all disputes? He doesn't handle investigations and he hasn't just been asked for an apology he's been put under investigation as per party procedure and the outcome will be decided when it sits.
Chris Williamson is right, no amount of apologising will satisfy the Israel lobby, only a change in policy towards the Palestinians
Or a change in approach towards Jewish people, that might work.
It’s a principle accepted for other ethnic groups, that they get to decide what discrimination against their group looks like. And it’s contingent on the rest of us to listen. Unless it’s Jews and Labour. Then any Momentum loudmouth gets to decide.
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No I am not but I expect the leader of the Labour Party to hold a stronger opinion on such behaviour and language than ‘you must say sorry’. He’s only under investigation because of Tom Watson.
As far as Momentum are concerned, most Jews are well off so that legitimises their anti-semitism.
They have, it keeps being rejected because nothing is enough until the policy on Palestine is changed. All the noise is to turn Labour into a party that will remove any member that says Zionism is unacceptable
A Palestinian would say Zionism is anti-palestinian racism. Who's definition of racism wins?
Is it? Which other minority has an IHRA?
Tom Watson didn't report this case as far as I'm aware? I'm not sure what role you think he played here
I'm not sure that's the resounding response you think it is.
He led the calls for Williamson’s suspension today. Williamson wasn’t initially suspended, but then he was after those calls for action. I’d say Watson takes credit for exerting the pressure.
It's a question, do you have an answer?
It doesn't have to be zero sum does it.
Some people are so pro-palestinian that they have become anti Jew... rather than anti Israeli government.
You can't be an anti-racist and a zionist
Is that an accepted principle? I don’t think it is at all.
I actually don’t know of another ethnic group where there is such an effort to specifically define what racism against that group includes... I must have missed the long list of islamaphobic tropes to avoid.
At the moment we have a bizarre situation where non-Jewish people are calling Jewish people anti-semites... and people trying to box off what is an acceptably Jewish attitude or opinion to have as if they are the arbiters of Jewish identity.
Does anybody sincerely believe the amount of news coverage anti-semitism in Labour receives is remotely proportional to the actual problem? It’s pure McCarthyism in action.
There is an ongoing effort at doing just this - https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...70ceee/1543315109493/Islamophobia+Defined.pdf
Tbf that principle is at the root of our legislation on hate crimes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-2/hate-crimes-england-and-wales-2011-to-2012
Yet I have not heard about it until you posted that and I strongly suspect most people are the same... whereas we’ve probably all heard about the IHRA definition of anti-semitism about 50 times in the last month alone. It certainly isn’t because Islamaphobia is less of an issue.
Yet nobody is going to be convicted of a hate crime purely because a victim says they are one.... not without an investigation and appraisal of the facts.
This is the issue when you only hear the self-promoting figures, i don't dislike Watson but he is just that and only comes out in public when it's to his benefit. It isn't always the case that someone is suspended pending investigation and the committee didn't sit until 2pm today so obviously it couldn't have occurred when Watson did some interviews but from reports it wasn't Watson who led those calls.
It's amusing because you also have the TIG lot trying to spin it as their influence, they must have influenced Ken Livingstones suspension last year too.
You also have Williamson reported as a close Corbynite in all this, i mean he's been in the party for a fairly long time and was in Millibands shadow cabinet he's not a new figure so has he only now turned to antisemitism or something?
Remember that time Zac Goldsmith ran a blatantly islamaphobic to become London mayor? Remember how he was chased out the Conservative party never to darken their door step again?
That's a thing they had to put in place to make sure that police record hate crimes, it's not the same principle though. It just affects how the police record crime reports and places no special status on the victim or the minority of which they are a part.
Well of course, but the principle is still underpinning the investigation.
I suppose in the absence of evidence one way or another, we’re both going to draw conclusions that suit how we see things.
Correct. No one is ever charged with 'hate crime' as such, as there is no such offence in law. It's how the police categorise offences, but any actual charges must be more specific to law.
I'm not sure the Tories being cnuts excuses Labour being cnuts.
It demonstrates that not all racism is treated the same. Antisemitism has been weaponised as a means to attack the Labour Party
I'm not sure if you believe that .. but if you do your in a minority of 1... Sorry 2 you and Chris Williamson and even the labour party have suspended his anti semitic arse
Nonsense, plenty of people recognise this operation for what it is, a means to protect apartheid Israel
The famously anti-racist Daily Mail is leading with false anti-semitism stories