If attending a meeting about the "full scale national crisis" (his words) is jumping through hoops then fine.
I don't read the Sun or the Mail either, don't think you have to to think Corbyn has offered an ineffective opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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If attending a meeting about the "full scale national crisis" (his words) is jumping through hoops then fine.
I don't read the Sun or the Mail either, don't think you have to to think Corbyn has offered an ineffective opposition.
They’re forced into defending him all the time. If he goes, there are very few obvious candidates from a purely socialist leaning to replace him. The centre right of the party would use his departure as an opportunity to regain control of the party. And if he was replaced by another left leaning leader, ‘Corbynista’s’ would be just as busy defending the new leader from the same attacks from the same media critics.
Is it so surprising that they’re so defensive then?
If I have misunderstood the situation, I can only apologise. Even so, I don't see how leaving a meeting because Chuka Ummuna is there is helpful in the current situation the country finds itself in. Presumably if he were really committed to building a country for the many and not the few, he would be committed to contradicting Theresa May at every opportunity?
Was it a meeting or a lecture? If you can provide any evidence that May went there with the intent of altering her position to reach a consensus I'll have to adjust my opinion.
What's the relevance? If he isn't at the meeting he can't do anything to change her opinion, can he?
If he doesn't at least try to suck all the carbon out of the air he can't do anything to stop global warming. What other pointless hypotheticals can we pin on him?
Yeah, here comes the usual condescending response of your typical Corbyn stan. Oh well, cheers for the chat.
I'm serious, let's make up other hypothetical shit to blame on him. It's vital to distract from real criticism of Teresa May at this time.
The way he behaved towards Chukka was absolutely spot on.
You may want to delete your "he could shoot someone" comment if you want to get precious about others being condescending by the way. It's a level of hypocrisy that will get you a job in the Theresa May's government if you're not careful.
You're presuming that I don't think Theresa May is worse. I do.
I'm not making up a hypothetical for the sake of making a hypothetical like you are; it's pertinent to the conversation. He has a responsibility to Labour Party membership, the Parliamentary Labour Party and his constituents to take these meetings seriously and attend them in such a crucial time for the country. If you can't acknowledge that and say 'Oh well he wasn't going to get what he wanted anyway' I'm going to tell you there's no way he was ever going to get what he wanted if he was never there to begin with.
As you like your hypothetical analogies, it's like saying Corbyn didn't sit an exam because he didn't think he'd pass the exam anyway. Not a chance he's going to if he doesn't try.
Look at my posts in the Brexit thread about Chuka being at the meeting, I don't think the spokesman of a group of MPs should be at a meeting for party leaders because they're not a party.
I'll remove it when you stop defending the indefensible.
You've not really misunderstood you've ignored explanations i think and then insulted because people disagree with you.
I'll criticise Corbyn when he performs these own goals but that's all it is optics. He had the meeting with May and it was pointless, you don't actually think a 20min meeting with David Lidington afterwards would resolve anything you're just using the opportunity to express your dislike of Corbyn.
Those who benefit from criticising Corbyn set the trigger and you lot jump up and down in outrage.
The only people who would defend Corbyn shoooting someone would be the Tories if he shot an unarmed Irishman.
There's no winner here, Smores. We all lose. Brexit is giving me serious stress and anxiety at this point, I'd happily vote for a Corbyn government if he could guarantee that he would cancel Brexit but so far he has done nothing to suggest he would, nor does he seem to take it seriously enough in my opinion.
What's the relevance of this? I am not defending the murder of unarmed men by British soldiers and I'm certainly not a tory.
How is Chuka being there helpful though? His 2nd referendum idea - which is all he’s got - doesn’t have a majority in the House of Commons.
Just a reminder of the type of people you're batting for with your constant attacks on Corbyn
It's only unhelpful when the leader of the opposition takes unnecessary exception to it instead of doing his job and walks out.
I'm not batting for either team. It's not mutually exclusive.
For the 95th time, why is it his job to be lectured to by a PM who even the other parties say went there in bad faith not intending to listen, and whose own speech last night backed that up?
It's his job to attend meetings about the biggest national crisis affecting Britain, one which will affect this country for the next 20-30 years minimum. He has a responsibility to his party and his constituents. I have answered this question multiple times, you just don't like the answer.
Based on what the other parties said, based on any reasonable interpretation of Teresa May's speech, what was to be achieved by attending it? In reality that is, not hypothetically
Nothing but again, that does not mean you don't try.
I'm just going out on a limb here but having read the last couple of day's posts you're a Labour supporter I reckon!
SDLP (for now, it's complicated) but of the British parties I'd lean towards Labour, yeah!
I won't be voting for him next time either as i think we need a refresh to drop some baggage.
I just think people need to appreciate that we've had thousand of hours debate in the commons and over a hundred PMQs since the vote. Then you've got all the break away groups and formal cross-party brexit committees. All these have made the same arguments for 2 years, the fact the PM is not listening is not on the leader of the opposition who can only protest or table amendments when allowed.
Labour (including Corbyn and excluding) have done a lot in the commons and lords to steer brexit but there's only so much you can do. We've tried to get rid of her, censored her, submitted her to the biggest defeats on record but if she won't budge or listen and her own MPs won't force it then thats the limit of powers reached.
I don't know if Labours approach of letting backbenchers (Benn, Cooper etc) do the dirty work is the most effective way forward but I'm certain in my mind that Corbyn going all out peoples vote won't change a thing. Even the idiot TIG got reprimanded by the people's vote for being premature on it
That's a spectacularly weak criticism. Look, if an election is called and Corbyn doesn't throw his weight behind a 2nd vote, I'll have to concede with a heavy heart that a potentially great PM has choked on the biggest issue and place my faith in someone else. But until then, with the Tories pausing their backstabbing only to block an election, there is nothing Corbyn can do, due to cold parliamentary arithmetic and May's stubborn refusal to seek cross-bench consensus.
Going all out for a second vote now would take on all the risks of splitting Labour without any of the potential gains of an actual election.
Maybe a Corbynista would hate me for making him sound impotent here, but you can only criticise someone for what they can control. He can't fix this by himself.
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Jeez...
BBC reporter said:
Effective opposition innit?
Chuka should have worn a balaclava. JC would have met him then.
I vote and voted Labour at the last GE despite Corbyn. If his views on Brexit don’t represent mine (and by extension my current MP as she is Shadow Leader of the House of Commons) I will not be voting Labour in the next GE.
Horrendous journalism more like.
And that's fair. But politically, declaring his hand on brexit now, before any hint of an election, is all risk and no reward.
We are potentially a week away from leaving with no deal. There is no grand master plan hidden under the table. He's just a bit shit.
How would you fix it, as leader of the opposition, in this week?
Could anyone have been there then? It’s totally undemocratic to allow someone to start a privately funded company, very loosely dressed up as a party, declare himself leader and start acting like this.
It’s not that I disagree with his policies, it’s that it’s ludicrous to give them any legitimacy and I applaud Corbyn for calling them out for the conmen they are.
Take over by force, disband parliament, throw the queen in the tower and declare myself ruler for life.