feck stuff like this.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
feck stuff like this.
I'm not sure any other minority group would be faced with the same level of scrutiny or doubt when making claims that they've been discriminated against. Just above you've got a clip where people who have been faced with mental health issues are being branded as 'wimps' and the like even when some have threatened suicide.
Which I think is my overriding problem with a lot of the discourse surrounding this. Labour are a party who, on the left, are supposed to have sympathy with and who are supposed to side with ordinary people, and yet there appears to have been an almost complete ignorance from a lot of the party who don't think this is a problem that these people have had fairly horrible experiences at all.
literally everyone, like read any thread about anything on any forum and you'll find people being all like "uh, have you tried not being depressed" "uh, have you tried being a hermit who never goes out" etc. etc.
These types of things should not be getting said by people within a socially progressive left-wing party that's supposed to care about ordinary people.
Those comments all come from assholes.
And when you find yourself on the same side of the debate as assholes...
sure and hopefully she learns that, but the idea that it's only jews who get this treatment is just stupid
aren't you one the more prominent "uh, why is PC and cancel culture so extreme these days" posters?
I got back late last night so only saw the last 15 minutes, but Sam Matthews and the woman with the haircut, was their position within the party complaint handlers? Genuinely asking because I didn't understand if they had been personally attacked (which seems most likely), or if the nature of the complaints proved too difficult or something.
I only caught a bit of the doc myself but was there actually examples of institutional anti-semitism or just issues with the complaints process?
Of course not, but it feeds into this wider idea (true or otherwise) that for all their claims to supporting social justice and reducing inequality this party really don't care about helping ordinary people when they go against the party line or party agenda. I'll agree a lot of the claims that this is somehow unique or a problem within Labour alone are often overplayed and over-exaggerated, but I get the impression that even if there were actual problems a lot of the party would continue to keep their heads buried in the sand because they're determined their can't be a problem at all.
Which is partially where I think the disconnect comes from. Key figures in the party have acknowledged there's a problem and have said it needs to be dealt with but I simultaneously think a lot of said key figures just don't really see the issue at all, which leads to a certain dissonance.
Also this attitude clearly isn’t working in the polls so... what’s the point of it? It’s just champion grade sand burying at this point. It also appears to be the diametric opposite of the arguments being used by American leftists, who consistently argue (hi Eboue) that “voting to keep out Trump” was insufficient enough to vote for Hillary, or any establishment Dem, and that that is all their own fault... yet here, our version (which I would largely consider myself a part of) are seemingly arguing the same thing that their dreaded Centrist enemies are there... that convincing people of the Labour movement is irrelevant, ‘cos if you don’t just vote to keep out the Tories you’re a cnut.* It’s all a complete clusterfeck.
* I will vote for Labour regardless, because my philosophy is alwasy one of “do the least harm” .... but we’ve already a clear example of that not working on a wider electorate, and it’s worrying how little people seem to care. We’re going to lose this, and losing it smugly is no consolation.
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Also did you watch the documentary ?
Er...we talking about the BBC show last night and the blog I posted.
This discourse stuff is meaningless(In that it can be anything to anyone). The fact is the Labour party has in a number of ways put in place measures to deal with the anti semitism(Some of this by the way has pissed off Palestinians but whatever I guess) in the party.
What the party can't do is a sort of minority report and stop ahead of time people posting anti semitic stuff online or stupid people saying stupid things.
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that's just how politics work and why people vote for party x instead of y when leaderships change, it would be foolish to pretend that a corbyn labour would have the same agenda as a watson labour
i don't think anyone here has made that argument
What’s the implication behind this then? If not “this isn’t really that important, ‘cos Tories”...
This whole thread is covered in Whatsbboutism... which is fine for me, I’m not in need of being convinced. But as a countrywide approach to electability, it isn’t working.
it's a very obvious exaggeration which you also constantly use in your posts to undermine the other poster, in this case a life long tory pretending to give a shit about racism
I think the key issue here largely comes down to Corbyn himself. In the US Sanders is broadly popular with the electorate but is struggling to convince his own party to back him to the same degree. Whereas here Corbyn is popular within his own party but just desperately unpopular with the electorate...for all the discussion on what Brexit approach they should take, if we're looking at polling it's fairly clear now that Corbyn himself is the problem holding Labour back with the wider electorate because he's just historically unpopular with the wider electorate.
Are there many popular politicians in the UK?
Completely agree with you.
As a life long Labour supporter and voter, I find it bizarre that the Labour party has not replaced Corbyn with someone who is capable of taking them back into government.
But that is the point. His backers seem un-interested in whether they are popular with the electorate or not.
For them, it is all about dogma.
Taking the party to the left is the objective. They can then pride themselves on hijacking the party and aligning it with their un-achieveable principles.
Simply dogma and of course Jeremy is simply the puppet to do what he is told.
Reminds me of when Michael Foot was the leader.
As someone who is quite often critical of labour do you think there were examples of institutional anti-semitism or just incompetence?
I can't be arsed watching it so hopefully i can just get both sides on here.
It does sound like there was interference or pressure but I'm struggling to find content as most of the media is just judgements without any specifics.
I started a thread on the topic so I’m probably that way inclined but even I wouldn’t stoop to alluding that someone who is struggling with their mental health is a “wimp”.
The period over which this has occurred is too short for it to have become institutional, and it probabaly won't now that it has been highlighted.
From the documentary, I would say the main issue is the denial within the leadership that it was ever a problem or (allegedly) attempting to cover up the problem. You can see that on here too among the Corbynistas. So I would say if there is an institutional problem, it is collective denial that some among the Labour supporters are racist.
wtf does this even mean?
Nothing! It’s stupid and I laughed at it
What makes you say this?
Replace antisemitism with racism, are you still laughing? Antisemitism is racism.
You're dead right.
Yes because of where the joke lies. It is making fun of Corbyn being a bit of a klutz, not mocking Jewish people. The clue is the part where he calls himself an idiot.
I would also laugh if it took the piss out of US Republicans by saying “I throw in constitutional conservatism. Oh my god that’s white nationalism. I’m an idiot.” That doesn’t mean I find white Nationalism itself funny
As I've said the bar for the EHRC to start an investigation is quite high and they have to feel that the labour party has from the evidence they have seen in the balance of probability broken the law
though Im sure the EHRC will simply be dismissed as blairites and out to get corbyn by some but if hes not resigned after a crushing election defeat before the EHRC report comes out i think that will make his position untenable (assuming that their initial assessment of the evidence was correct and Labour have probably broken the law)
Yes because of where the joke lies. It is making fun of Corbyn being a bit of a klutz, not mocking Jewish people. The clue is the part where he calls himself an idiot.
I would also laugh if it took the piss out of US Republicans by saying “I throw in constitutional conservatism. Oh my god that’s white nationalism. I’m an idiot.” That doesn’t mean I find white Nationalism itself funny
The joke is just too subtle for me, I'm afraid.
The joke is just too subtle for me, I'm afraid.
It's similar in style to the Despicable Me cartoon on the last page of the Turkey thread.
If nothing else I appreciate you living up to your usernameThe joke is just too subtle for me, I'm afraid.
If I'm missing something here, please correct me. But as this looks to be your serious opinion, it's quite a statement on how bad things are concerning antisemitism in the pro-Corbyn camp. Holy shit.
am I missing something? it's a parasitic creature with the star of david on the statue of liberty, the parasitic stuff does antisemitic elements to it and I don't care if they kick her out, but if that's all it take to rise to "existential threat to british jewry" then I have bad news about the UK
Wow. It's propaganda from a Neo-Nazi website called incogman.net (you can browse through it a bit, if you want).
I'm almost at the point of reporting that poster.