He's got a funny way of showing it then.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
What I meant was the Europeans aren't lobbing rockets into Margate or planting bombs in shopping precinct rubbish bins.
Johnson has a fairly multicultural family, his great grandfather was a Turkish Muslim and the mother of his children is half Indian.
Or carrying out poisonings in Salisbury....
Forgive me - for some reason, if often takes me several attempts to make myself clear. I was basically stating the obvious, I guess: that addressing people of all kinds as 'friends' is merely standard for politicians on public occasions. It's politeness with a view towards improved relations.
I wouldn't address someone that I considered a terrorist who had killed my countrymen as 'friend' nor would I expect them to refer to me as one. I'm sure during the GFA negotiations the word 'friend' wasn't being bandied around. The removal of the word 'ememy' should be all that is needed to negotiate a peace. 'Friends' is for later - or never in some cases.
Quite
White text ?
Boris's real surname is Kemal - Farage's great great grandparents were German - funny old game.
So you're just upset by the terminology and not the action?
Progress relies on conciliation, even if that apparent submissiveness is simply for show.
Peace negotiations should be pragmatic and pay due respect to the other's POV. They should put the common good first. I doubt any peace negotiation has ever been a love-in with people calling one another friends and what not.
Yes the action is fine.
But Corbyn standing on a platform and using the term 'our friends in Hezbollah' is more than a call for peace, it is a statement of solidarity in my view.
It's like the Suarez-Evra incident all over again.
Then you might be a little shocked at the choice of words British Torys MPs used to describe Hitler pre-war...
That's a very simplistic view of a very complex situation.
Ultimately it was a desperate situation over the long term that required people to go above and beyond 'norms' to gain peace, which was the ultimate goal.
Some in public, some in secret talks. Like the UK government, for example in 1981 and 1990 as detailed below. But it was imperative to get peace talks going ahead in the context of mistrust and disillusionment from all parties.
Margaret Thatcher 'negotiated with IRA'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16366413
Thatcher started IRA talks in 1990
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/thatcher-started-ira-talks-in-1990-1305896.html
Do you think Thatcher was expressing solidarity with Pinochet when she called him a 'true friend'?
Johnson’s great-grandfather was lynched for alleged treason. Selling out your country must run in the blood.
As for Farage, I thought he was of Huguenot stock?
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My apologises. I've fixed the error.Classy
Farage's great great grandfather was a German immigrant in the mid 1800s - his surname may have originated from possible Huguenot ancestry
As you say it's been discussed to death and I think at this point nobody is going to changer their minds. @2cents and @finneh have given better answers to Corbyn and antisemitism than I could so I won't bore you with anything else.
But just on this point, I don't actually dislike many of Corbyn's policies. Many of them I agree with and thought the 2017 manifesto was largely very good. My issue with Corbyn is not based on his policies at all.
And on the point about the Tories - again we are on a very left-leaning forum where most people agree the Tories are a bunch of cnuts and the party is riddled with Islamophobia, so I'm not too sure what needs to be discussed there?
Ah yeah... this kind of "discussion" is really necessary and valuable:
Isn't remembrance day mostly about WW1(Armistice Day is on 11 November and is also known as Remembrance Day. It marks the day World War One ended, at 11am on the 11th day of the 11th month, in 1918)?
It's only recently been a tribute to these blokes and
and people dressing up as poppies.
That I agree he isn’t an Islamaphobe but he’s more than happy to use it to cynically pander to certain audiences. In reality he’s a multi-lingual citizen of the world with mixed heritage (Turkish/French/Russian Jewish) and has mixed race children. He actually used to advocate for Turkey joining the EU. He’s hardly the template for a political hero to the white van man.
You can stop with the faux outrage now.
Take your pick.
You could talk about the Russian funding and the wider implications of partnering a country who commit poisonings on UK soil,
The lack of respect and action for change from Tory MP's for British citizens who died at Grenfell
The lack of change regarding the issues around the Windrush controversy
The fact that Farage and Johnson are essentially working the same playbook as Trump and Bannon (look at the islamophobia, peddling of black myths and anti immigrant sentiment of Breitbart under the letters stewardship for clues).
Or, finally, you could ask why the Tories supported the anti semitic Hungarian government. Who were accused of violating press freedoms, undermining judicial independence, and waging an antisemitic campaign against a leading Jewish businessman.
Tories were only governing conservative party in western Europe to support Hungarian far-right in EU vote
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...arliament-vote-mep-group-europe-a8535511.html
I don’t disagree with any of that @Fluctuation0161. There’s certainly more you could add - and I’d hazard a guess few posters would disagree or dispute those points, which is why I don’t think they end up with pages of debate.
Brilliant, you’re so cool.
in case anyone thought being jewish would protect a left wing candidate from weaponized antisemitism claims
People forget how grim her love-in for him was - went well above and beyond any normal diplomacy to help and protect him despite him being an utterly vile individual.
Watching Angela Rayner speak. Interesting. Would be interesting to see how she would do in government, it as Labour leader.
Could well be her in a few months if Labour lose the election.
I like her but the media would destroy her, probably play on her being a single mother or something.
That's the one who was on BBC Breakfast this morning talking drivel.
Blimey. Obviously we're still in the Middle Ages.
Yeah it doesn’t surprise me.
I mean I'd make the point that her achievements in spite of her academic drawbacks in her early life are a testament to her suitability compared to exclusively privately-educated Bullingdon snobs who've not worked a days honest work, but I'd be wasting my energy.
Eventually I can only hope we reach a point of diminishing returns with the public getting exhausted with the Tories and the compliant media's character assassinations, all while they're force fed more years of crippling cuts, economic instability, rising costs of living and a soon to be decimated health service.
i think starmer and wrong daily are favourites
Raynor, Piddock and Thornberry a bit behind them but hard to imagine anybody outside those 5 at the moment getting the job ... gut feel though they keep corbyn for a little while so that they can chuck him under the EHRC bus thats about to run through the middle of momentum