Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

sun_tzu said:
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Wonder what wiley and corbyn have in common?
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That's a heck of a reach.
 
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It ain't libel if its true though...

Also nice to see the cotbyistas staying true to form

Supporters of Mr Corbyn have flocked to a ‘Go Fund Me’ page which has raised over £250,000 to finance any court battle with Mr Ware.

But the administrators of the page, set up by a supporter of the Labour leader named Carole Morgan, were forced to hide the comments of donors after many left antisemitic remarks about “Zionist” power, Israel – and one was signed off with the name ‘Adolf Hitler’.
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I'm sure you agree such people are not welcome in uk politics
 
sun_tzu said:
It ain't libel if its true though...
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I think you'd have a hard time proving that assertion to be demonstrably true and the burden would fall on you to do so. Luckily it's a public entity so it's fair game for opinions as long as they're not malicious.

More importantly I'd think long and hard about discounting the voices of a Jewish group just because you don't like their political affiliations given that's the very subject often of your own complaints.
 
sun_tzu said:
It ain't libel if its true though...

Also nice to see the cotbyistas staying true to form



I'm sure you agree such people are not welcome in uk politics
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Comments about zionism and Israel are not by definition anti-semitic, despite that being the desired outcome of many weaponising anti-semitism.

The allegedly anti-semitic comments:

"Commenting on the campaign, one supporter said: 'We love Jeremy Corbyn and he is all we got! Him being seen and propagated by reich wing media and portrayed like he can be the next Shitler is absurd beyond belief! I met Jeremy Corbyn is a very lovely and full of compassion for others! I am proud to make donations to this honourable person.'

Another person commented: 'Corbyn supports PALESTINE. Like all in the civilized world.' "

The one "signed off by the name Adolf Hitler" was just someone leaving a £5 donation with the name Hitler. I have no idea why someone would do that. Maybe it was Guido blogger looking for something to write about.
 
Raven said:
I was going to reply but it seems what I was going to say has already been said. Its called having a discussion, stop trying to muzzle people.
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Nevertheless you did actually repeat the words - and even named one individual -that the whistleblowers ere suing over. Corbyn himself is being sued for similar by Ware. Just adding some facts to your discussion.
 
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Smores said:
You'll have to expand your thought process there I'm afraid because it sounds like you're suggesting they agree with you but i don't know on what grounds you think that.
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Point is you can think what you like about whether my interpretation of libel is bollocks (it’s not) but it’s site owners who also are liable for what gets said on their platforms. So don’t ask me, ask them. Ware seems very litigious, that’s all
 
golden_blunder said:
No, he’s right. The site owner could potentially be held responsible for anything that is deemed libellous on here. So can the posters who may post that type of post.
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Yes, I’m aware of that. I’m also aware that there’s more chance of Corbyn becoming the next PM than there is of John Ware taking action against the comments made so far on this forum.
 
BobbyManc said:
Yes, I’m aware of that. I’m also aware that there’s more chance of Corbyn becoming the next PM than there is of John Ware taking action against the comments made so far on this forum.
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Whilst you are probably correct, I’m sure that the site owner doesn’t want to receive anymore letters thanks very much. He’s received enough over the years.
 
nickm said:
Point is you can think what you like about whether my interpretation of libel is bollocks (it’s not) but it’s site owners who also are liable for what gets said on their platforms. So don’t ask me, ask them. Ware seems very litigious, that’s all
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They're not the ones raising the accusation. Feel free to educate us if you so wish. You're clearly just using it to censor though. Statements on public matters against public persons are very rarely libellous, Labour settling doesn't automatically make them libellous either.

I look forward to the never ending accusations of libel on here going forward :lol:
 
Smores said:
They're not the ones raising the accusation. Feel free to educate us if you so wish. You're clearly just using it to censor though. Statements on public matters against public persons are very rarely libellous, Labour settling doesn't automatically make them libellous either.

I look forward to the never ending accusations of libel on here going forward :lol:
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When it comes to libel there simply won’t be any chances taken on here and I’d ask posters to respect that
 
golden_blunder said:
When it comes to libel there simply won’t be any chances taken on here and I’d ask posters to respect that
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To avoid any confusion you mean only contents that have gone through the courts right as they're greater risk? This thread is littered with statements that one could claim defamation on even if it would be easily rebutted.
 
It’s become very clear where The Guardian’s politics lies, but it’s pretty incredible that when they speak to Patrick Heneghan (director of elections in 2017) and hear him admit that they created a secret group funnelling money to factional allies, they then non-critically present this as denying/refuting the narrative that the leadership was ‘stabbed in the back’ in 2017.
 
Untied said:
It’s become very clear where The Guardian’s politics lies, but it’s pretty incredible that when they speak to Patrick Heneghan (director of elections in 2017) and hear him admit that they created a secret group funnelling money to factional allies, they then non-critically present this as denying/refuting the narrative that the leadership was ‘stabbed in the back’ in 2017.
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Also, it turns out there are other WhatsApp messages that somehow turn the 2017 exit poll reactions of “opposite to what I had been working towards for the last couple of years”, “silent and grey faced”, “we have to be upbeat and not show it” and “awful” into super excited and joyful.
 
Dobba said:
Also, it turns out there are other WhatsApp messages that somehow turn the 2017 exit poll reactions of “opposite to what I had been working towards for the last couple of years”, “silent and grey faced”, “we have to be upbeat and not show it” and “awful” into super excited and joyful.
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Yeah that made me laugh when the only one he could quote is "amazing, amazing, amazing", which could quite easily appear in a negative context.

e.g hypothetically…

amazing, amazing, amazing
can't believe this lot have pulled off a hung parliament
the opposite of everything i've been working towards.

Edit: Also just to further point out The Guardian's agenda. How is it possible to write up an article giving Patrick Heneghan's side of the story, without mentioning that he told Michael Crick where Diane Abbott was when she had been crying in the toilets. Scum.
 
sun_tzu said:
What law has been broken?
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There’s an allegation of fraudulent activity. The leader’s office assigned funds for a specific purpose which was then secretly funnelled elsewhere by those wreckers and they concealed the activity.
 
BobbyManc said:
There’s an allegation of fraudulent activity. The leader’s office assigned funds for a specific purpose which was then secretly funnelled elsewhere by those wreckers and they concealed the activity.
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The allegation is they broke party rules isnt it?
Who was defrauded?

Fraud can be broadly defined as the deliberate use of deception or dishonesty to disadvantage or cause loss (usually financial) to another person or party. ...
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Criminal-fraud-in-England-and-Wales-December2015.pdf
 
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sun_tzu said:
The allegation is they broke party rules isnt it?
Who was defrauded?



Criminal-fraud-in-England-and-Wales-December2015.pdf
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Well done mate, you’ve successfully posted a definition of fraud. Not sure what your point is but I’m proud nevertheless.
 
BobbyManc said:
Well done mate, you’ve successfully posted a definition of fraud. Not sure what your point is but I’m proud nevertheless.
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And you said he was accused of fraudulant activity... so is this your accusation or do you have links to other people
And who has he defrauded... how under the guidence has he committed fraud
Because making false allegations of criminal charges on public forums seems to be the default setting for corbyn fan boys these days
 
1. Observes that the Corbyn thread has been bumped.
2. Considers the possibility that it won't have immediately summoned @sun_tzu and might therefore not have turned into a shitshow.
3.As a consequence of above and the fallibility of human optimism takes a look at said thread.
4. Observes @sun_tzu shitshow and leaves thread, safe in the knowledge that the some things are immutable

Jezbollah!
 
sun_tzu said:
And you said he was accused of fraudulant activity... so is this your accusation or do you have links to other people
And who has he defrauded... how under the guidence has he committed fraud
Because making false allegations of criminal charges on public forums seems to be the default setting for corbyn fan boys these days
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Hmmm, if I said people have been accused of fraudulent activity, I think it should be quite clear to anyone with basic literacy skills that it’s an accusation that has already been made, i.e. it is not an original allegation by me.

As you seem to lack those skills, I’ll have to make it really simple for you. Based on the leaked report (and which subsequent admissions reinforce), Unite, among others, stated they felt there is prima facie evidence of fraud and false accounting. I eagerly await some shite response about unicorns and anti-Semitism.
 
sun_tzu said:
And you said he was accused of fraudulant activity... so is this your accusation or do you have links to other people
And who has he defrauded... how under the guidence has he committed fraud
Because making false allegations of criminal charges on public forums seems to be the default setting for corbyn fan boys these days
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Please stop overusing ellipses.
 
BobbyManc said:
Hmmm, if I said people have been accused of fraudulent activity, I think it should be quite clear to anyone with basic literacy skills that it’s an accusation that has already been made, i.e. it is not an original allegation by me.

As you seem to lack those skills, I’ll have to make it really simple for you. Based on the leaked report (and which subsequent admissions reinforce), Unite, among others, stated they felt there is prima facie evidence of fraud and false accounting. I eagerly await some shite response about unicorns and anti-Semitism.
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Got a link to those allegations as the post you quoted said breaking party rules
 
sun_tzu said:
Got a link to those allegations as the post you quoted said breaking party rules
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Do you always need to be spoonfed? You managed to research and find what fraud is (well done again for that), I’m sure you can do a bit of digging on this yourself
 
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