Joe Rogan

maniak said:
I'm not convinced but it's just my gut feeling.
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We still have people sticking up for Boris Johnson in the UK so you can never count out anything once it comes to a mass of people. :lol:

My biggest problem which also plays into all this in the modern world is we seemed to have developed a phobia of being wrong and holding your hands up and saying "my bad i got it wrong and educating yourself from there" is that something that should be drilled into us at a young age.

People would rather die on the hill they planted their flag, it doesn't feel like it was always like this, which leads to the scenarios @Raoul mentioned
 
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Bosws87 said:
Which also gives the individual a chance to seek out the truth and there's also a huge number of sources to point people in the correct direction, we no longer have to just take the BBC's version of events for facts.

plenty of positives to go along with the negatives, i don't think there's anyway of helping people if they just believe whatever's put in front of them especially now there's never been a better time in history to search out the facts.

I don't think there is a solution to weed out the people that will believe crap its been a problem forever, from people blaming movies and video games for their actions to people blaming a mediocre comedian for peoples thoughts on vaccination.
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Can you point me to an example of BBC or CNN getting facts as completely wrong as say Joe Rogan on Covid, Alex Jones on Sandy Hook being staged, or the random Youtuber in the basement warning everyone about Bill Gates trying to insert 5G chips in your vaccine?
 
Bosws87 said:
We still have people sticking up for Boris Johnson in the UK so you can never count out anything once it comes to a mass of people. :lol:

My biggest problem which also plays into all this in the modern world is we seemed to have developed a phobia of being wrong and holding your hands up and saying "my bad i got it wrong and educating yourself from there" is that something that should be drilled into us at a young age.

People would rather die on the hill they planted their flag, it doesn't feel like it was always like this, which leads to the scenarios @Raoul mentioned
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Also, there has to be a decent, down-to-earth approach at being that person who has the factual answer or truth. Calling someone a dumbass or retard is not going to help, even if it's tempting at times :lol: , I get the feeling that it too further entrenches a kind of mentality that isn't helpful.
 
Bosws87 said:
As long as the solution isn't the tech companies who own these platforms deciding what is right or wrong as that's just as terrible as we are seeing currently.

I don't believe there is a solution without giving up some of the freedoms now its your call if that's a sacrifice worth making, me as an individual i wouldn't want it changed on a mass population scale maybe a different belief.
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yeah I don't think anyone wants tech companies making these decisions, that would start turning the meritocracy into an autocracy..

we might need to give up a few little freedoms sure, but isn't that what living in a society means? there are laws to abide by, which makes life better for everyone on the whole

nobody thinks having a law stating not to drive drunk is a freedom that it is unreasonable to give up, so we should be able to navigate laws around spreading misinformation on the internet that harms people
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Can you point me to an example of BBC or CNN getting facts as completely wrong as say Joe Rogan on Covid, Alex Jones on Sandy Hook being staged, or the random Youtuber in the basement warning everyone about Bill Gates trying to insert 5G chips in your vaccine?
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The reporting on Wakefield's bogus paper on the relation between MMR and autism in the late 90' was as wrong as it can get. BBC's article having the picture of a crying child with the title "Child vaccine linked to autism".
 
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Some interesting stuff in Russell Brand's latest vid.
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Comparing wrong information with no negative consequences to wrong information with serious negative consequences is stupid and exactly what I expect from a self-taught intellectual with a big mouth and a lot of money to be made from shit YouTube videos.
 
Raoul said:
Beyond Rogan and Spotify already addressing the issue, I can’t see any of these relatively unknown artists doing this sort of thing as making any difference.
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Openly taking a stance against racism is never wrong imo, even if the difference you make is small.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Can you point me to an example of BBC or CNN getting facts as completely wrong as say Joe Rogan on Covid, Alex Jones on Sandy Hook being staged, or the random Youtuber in the basement warning everyone about Bill Gates trying to insert 5G chips in your vaccine?
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Everything related to the war on Iraq, the US government, and then fellow newspapers, reporting that they successfully killed ISIS militants when the truth was they killed a bunch of kids and a social worker?
 
Denis79 said:
Openly taking a stance against racism is never wrong imo, even if the difference you make is small.
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Except that Spotify wouldn’t give him 100m if they thought he was even remotely in that category. Some of these lesser known artists are only harming their own careers by deplatforming themselves while Rogan continues on, and Spotify themselves are actually benefitting from the controversy. Unless Drake or Taylor Swift remove their music, all of this will continue to work in their favor.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Everything related to the war on Iraq, the US government, and then fellow newspapers, reporting that they successfully killed ISIS militants when the truth was they killed a bunch of kids and a social worker?
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Oh come off it. There’s a world of difference between a broadcaster naively taking provided by the state at face value and the sort of systemic disinformation he’s referring to.

Not to mention that when the justification for invading Iraq started to unravel that got heavy coverage by all of those mainstream media outlets. Without them, public awareness wouldn’t have been a fraction of what it was.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Everything related to the war on Iraq, the US government, and then fellow newspapers, reporting that they successfully killed ISIS militants when the truth was they killed a bunch of kids and a social worker?
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I'm pretty sure it was the New York Times, one of the two biggest newspapers, who uncovered the truth about that strike by doing investigative journalism rather than take the official line. On that topic I've heard Rogan have guests on who act like Donald Trump was a dove despite the face he broke the record for drone strikes even after removing a rule that meant the official number was lowered to make him look better. It is factually easily to assess but it doesn't fit the narrative his guests want to put out.

TwoSheds said:
Comparing wrong information with no negative consequences to wrong information with serious negative consequences is stupid and exactly what I expect from a self-taught intellectual with a big mouth and a lot of money to be made from shit YouTube videos.
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That's Russell Brand to a tee. If you watch his videos you wouldn't think 90% of Canadian truck drivers are vaccinated or that the people who rioted at the US Capitol were largely made up of rich middle class Trump supporters. In fact he went from peddling the original idea on the right-wing that they were downtrodden folks fighting back the elites to now suggesting it was a set-up staged by the elites. It's just contrarianism masqueraded as being thoughtful.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Oh come off it. There’s a world of difference between a broadcaster naively taking provided by the state at face value and the sort of systemic disinformation he’s referring to.
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Small comfort to the Iraqi's I'd say.

I think Rogan is the one who's naïve. Having listened to him previously I think he's too stupid to have any real nefarious agenda here.

I wouldn't be as charitable to the media outlets during Iraq. There were plenty of dissenting voices and conflicting intelligence yet the coverage was overwhelmingly pro-war - Disproportionally so relative to the population. They bought into Bush's narrative of "your with us or the terrorists" and anti-war campaigners were often smeared as Saddam sympathisers. A war which also happened to hugely increase consumption of the very same news outlets. Tucker Carlson came out and admitted that he straight up lied about his support of the war because it was what was expected of him at CNN. Blindly following intelligence agencies is hardly an excuse, especially if familiar with the history of said agencies.

You can shit on Rogan all you want but the media's role in the Iraq war was utterly shameful.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Oh come off it. There’s a world of difference between a broadcaster naively taking provided by the state at face value and the sort of systemic disinformation he’s referring to.

Not to mention that when the justification for invading Iraq started to unravel that got heavy coverage by all of those mainstream media outlets. Without them, public awareness wouldn’t have been a fraction of what it was.
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That's rewriting of history. It all unravelled when Powell spoke to the UN and the entire world saw it. So much so that Joshka Fisher bluntly said "I don't buy it". US media stuck to WMD for at least another 2 or 3 years. If I remember correctly even Eminem had it right before the NYT, CNN or FOX.



Few outside the US/UK bought this speech.
 
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KingCavani said:
Small comfort to the Iraqi's I'd say.

I think Rogan is the one who's naïve. Having listened to him previously I think he's too stupid to have any real nefarious agenda here.

I wouldn't be as charitable to the media outlets during Iraq. There were plenty of dissenting voices and conflicting intelligence yet the coverage was overwhelmingly pro-war - Disproportionally so relative to the population. They bought into Bush's narrative of "your with us or the terrorists" and anti-war campaigners were often smeared as Saddam sympathisers. A war which also happened to hugely increase consumption of the very same news outlets. Tucker Carlson came out and admitted that he straight up lied about his support of the war because it was what was expected of him at CNN. Blindly following intelligence agencies is hardly an excuse, especially if familiar with the history of said agencies.

You can shit on Rogan all you want but the media's role in the Iraq war was utterly shameful.
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I’m not going to go off on a massive tangent about Iraq but the idea that the mainstream media (in its entirety) coverage of events before, during and after that conflict is somehow equivalent to the absolute nonsense being shared on social media by some of the grifters that Joe Rogan has interviewed is obviously ridiculous. I’ll leave it at that.
 
Raoul said:
Except that Spotify wouldn’t give him 100m if they thought he was even remotely in that category. Some of these lesser known artists are only harming their own careers by deplatforming themselves while Rogan continues on, and Spotify themselves are actually benefitting from the controversy. Unless Drake or Taylor Swift remove their music, all of this will continue to work in their favor.
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Doing the right thing sometimes costs you money and opportunities. Good for them I say.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m not going to go off on a massive tangent about Iraq but the idea that the mainstream media (in its entirety) coverage of events before, during and after that conflict is somehow equivalent to the absolute nonsense being shared on social media by some of the grifters that Joe Rogan has interviewed is obviously ridiculous. I’ll leave it at that.
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That's very convenient for you.

The issue with Rogan's comments are the very real consequences his rhetoric has. No one cared when he was interviewing pseudo-historians like Graham Hancock because no harm was done.

I would say the harm done by the Iraq war coverage was every bit as damaging as what Rogan is doing if not worse. It was also "absolute nonsense" as you put it with no basis in reality whatsoever. Playing down the harm is caused and letting the propagandists who orchestrated off the hook is frankly disgusting.
 
Raoul said:
Except that Spotify wouldn’t give him 100m if they thought he was even remotely in that category. Some of these lesser known artists are only harming their own careers by deplatforming themselves while Rogan continues on, and Spotify themselves are actually benefitting from the controversy. Unless Drake or Taylor Swift remove their music, all of this will continue to work in their favor.
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Could very well be the way you say but what I saw in those two videos is racist, no other way to view that. I still respect people for taking a stance against it and I still believe it is the right thing to do.

I know whatever I do means nothing and makes no difference whatsoever but I still switched over to Deezer after I saw Rogan's racist crap.
 
KingCavani said:
That's very convenient for you.

The issue with Rogan's comments are the very real consequences his rhetoric has. No one cared when he was interviewing pseudo-historians like Graham Hancock because no harm was done.

I would say the harm done by the Iraq war coverage was every bit as damaging as what Rogan is doing if not worse. It was also "absolute nonsense" as you put it with no basis in reality whatsoever. Playing down the harm is caused and letting the propagandists who orchestrated off the hook is frankly disgusting.
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I was going to ask you to read my post again as I assumed you missed the “in its entirety” bit which I added in an edit. But it’s in the post you quoted. Oh well. To be clear, I’m not saying that every mainstream media outlet got all their facts correct. Or even that any one outlet got all their facts correct. But if you read/watch a fairly diverse collection of mainstream media then you will get a fairly accurate picture of exactly what went on in Iraq. If that’s not the case then the onus is on you to leave whatever echo chamber you’ve ended up in and seek out a more diverse range of journalists to get your information. And, to be clear, none of these journalists would have reported on any of it if it wasn’t for the mainstream media paying for them to do so.
 
KingCavani said:
That's very convenient for you.

The issue with Rogan's comments are the very real consequences his rhetoric has. No one cared when he was interviewing pseudo-historians like Graham Hancock because no harm was done.

I would say the harm done by the Iraq war coverage was every bit as damaging as what Rogan is doing if not worse. It was also "absolute nonsense" as you put it with no basis in reality whatsoever. Playing down the harm is caused and letting the propagandists who orchestrated off the hook is frankly disgusting.
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Joe Rogan has stated he is a fan of Tucker Carlson who didn't just support the Iraq War because his employers made him do it. His employers didn't make him say Iraqis are semi-illiterate primative monkeys after he left CNN. One of Rogan's most cited journalist is Glenn Greenwald who is an upcoming guest. Will Rogan ask Glenn why he supported the Iraq War because he's never done it before.

There is not an either/or situation here. People who do not get their news from podcasts aren't all sheep to the mainstream media contrary to what the podcasters say. They like to brag about their ratings compared to conventional media and yet imply the only reason the majority of the public is vaccinated and wore masks was because the BBC or CNN said so. It is a contradiction and one they never get asked to explain.

Most people weigh things up for themselves. The biggest march in the UK ever was anti-Iraq War. There were no podcasters or youtubers directing this at the time.
 
KingCavani said:
That's very convenient for you.

The issue with Rogan's comments are the very real consequences his rhetoric has. No one cared when he was interviewing pseudo-historians like Graham Hancock because no harm was done.

I would say the harm done by the Iraq war coverage was every bit as damaging as what Rogan is doing if not worse. It was also "absolute nonsense" as you put it with no basis in reality whatsoever. Playing down the harm is caused and letting the propagandists who orchestrated off the hook is frankly disgusting.
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I realise you're sort of arguing in favour of Rogans podcast here and I'm in agreement with you. But Rogan interviewing som anti vaxer/s on his podcast, isn't really comparable to pro war propaganda by at the time biggest news broadcasters
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Oh come off it. There’s a world of difference between a broadcaster naively taking provided by the state at face value and the sort of systemic disinformation he’s referring to.

Not to mention that when the justification for invading Iraq started to unravel that got heavy coverage by all of those mainstream media outlets. Without them, public awareness wouldn’t have been a fraction of what it was.
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You are right to a degree, in that it's not the same, but their timing needs to be unpacked a bit more. A lot of the investigative analysis and tut-tutting was after the fact, which is a pattern that goes far beyond the Iraq war. It somehow makes it worse in that they know but sit on it until it's appropriate to be dismayed and temporarily horrified.
 
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Withnail said:
People are really trying to justify Rogan's behavior by invoking the media's coverage of the Iraq War?
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People brought Iraqi war because someone asked to provide an example of authoritative media spreading misinformation and never actually apologizing or retracting their stances.
 
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