Whataboutism is one of the key tenets for these folks. Deflect, deflect, deflect.
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Tbh this all just seems like moral panic but instead of conservatives trying to ban 70's horror films or violent video games, it's progressive people losing it over podcasts.
And a few dead people who listened to Rogan and others like him.
Who is losing it? I think Neil Young asking a business partner to show corporate responsibility is quite measured? The constant idea that protest of any sort is automatically losing it is nuts.
The argument is that this particular misinformation kills, so I think a call for action is quite sane and logical and the opposite of losing it?
Yeah thats pretty much the argument republicans made against violent movies after some awful national crime. Has there been any links to people dying of covid due to listening to his podcast ?
It got brought up in a white house press conference, artists asking for their music to be taken away or people unsubscribing Spotify as some sort of moral stance. In this thread people have claimed his podcast has killed people or that it's a sign of how stupid the general population is and why we are fecked forever. People rightly laugh at conservatives when they destroy consumer goods to ''own the libs'', yet some for reason really caring about a podcast is different.
People have spent time and effort over the last week to get a disclaimer before the start of a podcast. Its very bizarre imo.
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@Sweet Square even taking aside the public health issues, do you or do you not think he should be canceled for his blatantly racist comments?
It is a moral stance though. Anger at profiting while causing harm is the core of lots of political drive, (mine included, although Rogan is small fry). If the government becomes moral arbitrators people call it communism and nanny statism and plea for the free market, which is by definition people not paying for what they don't like? What process of protest or dissent would you prefer? It's just asking for a disclaimer. Nobody cares about the podcast, it's the material effect of the dangerous misinformation? If a disclaimer could save lives then how is bizarre? Or not worth time and effort?
I didn't react to this at all because I didn't know his stance on vaccines or what guests he had and thought that a disclaimer was more than enough if he somehow was misinforming about covid-19.
But after watching his disguisting racist comments I did get upset and I did switch from Spotify to Deezer. Means nothing I know but I'm not giving my money to a person who compares Africa to "The planet of the Apes".
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So you see nothing wrong with one of the biggest podcasts in the world spreading misinformation during a global pandemic?
That's not what he says, he doesn't say either way, he might think Rogan is the devil, but he just thinks wanting a disclaimer is bizarre. There are legitimate laissez faire types out there. Not as many as it seems sometimes.
I've never actually watched an episode of this. Who is one that's worth listening to for 3h? I barely listen to my dad for 3h
You can't cancel people who are already famous and rich enough. If Spotify terminates his contract he'll just get another platform anyway.
100%. Canceling is a hysterical word in most cases.
I've seen people on global news channels claiming they were canceled. And ironically I've seen people I've never heard of on my socials claiming the same. If being canceled is what made you famous, then you might not have been canceled, in which case, nice work.
I don't think he should. What good would it do ? His show is shite(His interviewers with fighters are sometimes good)so I mostly don't watch it. Imo non of this stuff matters, it's a bunch of very online people arguing over which types of media makes someone a good person. The real material effects of racism for example have nothing to do with podcast(Plus if Rogan got cancelled he would just go back to youtube and have a bigger audience!).
People not giving a shit about a podcast in the first place. Maybe I'm bias as I know a anti vaxxer(This person have never heard of Joe Rogan)and a disclaimer isn't going to change their mind and I don't think anyone really believes adding disclaimer will do anything(I don't believe the disclaimer before the next Jackass movie is potentially saving lives), it's just makes people who have spent the last week wasting time on a podcast feel better.
It works on your average joe(sorry for the pun), but it doesn't work on people with following like Joe Rogan.
But you are missing the point.
People don't mind the shit podcast, they object to the harm it's causing.
Now you can argue it's not causing harm, but are you really objecting to people trying to stop the perceived harm?
Literally nothing anyone can do will change the mind of an anti-vaxxer. They’re not the issue here. It’s the vaccine hesitant who are vulnerable to misinformation. People who would maybe consider getting a vaccine but they heard this guy on a podcast say it will damage their heart…
I don’t know how to fix any of this anyway. Cancelling or deplatforming makes feck all difference. It just adds to notoriety and raises profiles. Facebook’s heavy handed modding of vaccine related content was just window dressing. Disclaimers aren’t worth a bollix. Neil Young can write a killer tune but his posturing here will make feck all difference to the content that people who like Joe Rogan get exposed to.
It would be nice if seemingly well-meaning people didn’t constantly try to discredit the only sources of media that do actually make a consistent effort to check facts/sources but ho hum, we are where we are. Living in the world we deserve.
True, frequently the shite I have been sent as a result of other people's research was from banned Doctors or the like, and it's a badge of honour.
Yeah we might be disagree here but different topic for a different thread. Agree with you about the anti vaxxer stuff(I've pretty much tried everything, it doesn'twork).
You have to mind the shit podcast at some level if you also think it's literally killing people(I would guess one of the reason they think it's shite is due to the misinformation). My point is it's a dumb waste of time. It won't achieve anything substantive and that it's really no different than when conservatives use to argue that horror films in the 70's/80's were a danger to society or today with republicans breaking coffee machines as a form of protest.
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I know referencing Jon Ronson will just tick another box on your centrist dad bingo card but you should check out his “Things Fall Apart” podcast. It’s a bit light and frothy but there’s some good stuff on the moral panic you’re alluding to and what culture wars were like before the internet was invented.
It really is though.
Personally, I think he's shite because of that stupid apparent dialectic he creates by asking the speaker to define a random word every now and then, which lets the talker reiterate their point, at which point Rogan says wow. Mostly that has been going on unchecked and it drives me mad, it's similar to the genius of Peterson IMO and them together was like excellent nuanced satire, but anyway, where it became an issue was that he was unchecked in spreading dangerous medical advice, for money. We've decided that was uncool a long time ago but there are many loopholes. I think the analogy of the horror movies is tenuous at best. This dude was arguing with medical experts from a place of ignorance, to a huge audience.
I agree with you and Pogue in that the immediate effect of a stand is limited, but I think not taking one has negative consequences.
If you want a worthwile podcast to listen to for three hours, go listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. The last episode was 5h45m. It took him half a year to make, mind.
I'll give it a listen. Tbf I quite like Ronson after I found out he was the keyboard player for Frank Sidebottom(His book Frank is a nice short read).
Again we are talking a one podcast. Imo people vastly overestimate the effect media has on people, it used to be the conservative would talk about society in decline because the exorcist was at the top of the box office, liberals are now doing the same but with podcasts(At the Exorcist is good art).
Also whats going to be the real world effect of putting disclaimer at the start of the podcast ? I don't think anyone really thinks it's going to change anyones mind. So the end result is a consumer base(In this case it's a liberal)feeling like they are good people for a worthless change(No different than conservative thinking they are winning some political battle by smashing coffee machines)
Yeah thats a good description as to why I don't listen to it for the most part.
Yes, plenty of people on their death beds have regretted falling for this kind of shit.
No idea what this refers to, that was never a thing across the Atlantic, but if true, this does sound like a mistake. The next question would be if they posted a correction and admitted the mistake (something the "alternative media" never does). Anyone can make a mistake or two, but coming clean goes a long way towards establishing credibility and that's an area I never see alt-media ever do.
Sounds like a sweeping statement devoid of the nuance that existed and twisted a little bit.
You had articles like this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/...aluminum-tube-story-a-special-report-how.html
and this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/10/bushs-lost-year/303507/
John Dean was on a massive tour speaking about the problems with the Bush Administrations' push to Iraq and you had commentators like Keith Olberman criticizing it. Pretty sure Jon Stewart was critical as well. Certainly, many media personalities could have been better, and many admit as much today, but it wasn't close to as one-minded as the misinformation being pushed by "alt-media" today on topics like vaccines or conspiracy theories. There was plenty of criticism for Iraq in the mainstream presses but people tend to ignore that so no, it's definitely not true that "Everything related to the war on Iraq" were lies and misinformation.
You my friend seem to be apolitical or politically oriented close to the middle. Both sides will hate you and refuse to accept your point. Once you step out and can recognize bullshit from both sides, the World becomes a very lonely place because most apolitical people or people close to the center simply are quiet and mind their own business.
Oh yeah he can't be more in the middle that poster.
Is there a funniest post award?
You're right. Responses are somewhat proving your point predictably.
I remember when I was 14
You shouldn't egg them on like this, it's not nice.
Already taken by @altodevil
Absolutely love his podcasts
I'm not petitioning for a disclaimer, I simply think he should be held to a standard when it comes to matters of public health etc. by the people paying him. You keep comparing this to people saying violent movies cause people to be violent, but it's nothing like that.