I find it amusing that you feel me and anyone else who thinks Evans is anything more than an average footballer are some type of football Neanderthals that have never seen a game outside of MOTD and don't know what La Liga is. You are coming across as a an obnoxious twat here man. I have you pigeon holed based on what knowledge I have of you and what experience I have of people that can't accept a good young home grown player and always think the grass is greener with an expensive bought alternative.
Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances
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I find it amusing that you feel me and anyone else who thinks Evans is anything more than an average footballer are some type of football Neanderthals that have never seen a game outside of MOTD and don't know what La Liga is. You are coming across as a an obnoxious twat here man. I have you pigeon holed based on what knowledge I have of you and what experience I have of people that can't accept a good young home grown player and always think the grass is greener with an expensive bought alternative.
I like Jonny Evans. He's good.
I like him too as a matter of fact. But in this thread I don't think I'm allowed to like him and at the same time possibly criticise anything about him as a footballer.
You're not just criticising him. You're jumping up and down waving your little attention seeking arms about at anyone who dares praise him. Also, any of your criticisms and comparisons have been either harsh or wrong and you have taken offense and reduced to smart arse comments to anyone who would dore to point it out to you.
How someone can think Cahill and Pepe, even David Luiz and Vermaelen, are better with the ball in their feet to such an extent that its "oulandish" to put Evans in the same bracket is baffling to me.
You seem to mistake "being able to rush into midfield with the ball and dribble off one player by surprise" (Luiz, Vermaelen, Pepe) with the skill that is actually important for a centre back - calmness on the ball and the ability to pass your way out of defense by always knowing your options. Something Evans is excellent at.
You seem to mistake "being able to rush into midfield with the ball and dribble off one player by surprise" (Luiz, Vermaelen, Pepe) with the skill that is actually important for a centre back - calmness on the ball and the ability to pass your way out of defense by always knowing your options. Something Evans is excellent at.
I like him too the last time I asked myself, although others have decided I have shit all over his name. In this thread I don't think I'm allowed to like him and at the same time possibly criticise anything about him as a footballer.
Peculiar to say the least.
Edit* this is what I actually wanted to say as its more appropriate
I think if you take everything into account those players are clearly in a different bracket, Cahill with his ability to score goals, Pepe can play in midfield, Luiz and Vermaelen's ability to score goals... Thats with the ball at their feet too.
Evans is good at bringing the ball out of defence and passing the ball, but theres more that a footballer can do with the ball at their feet and these players have the better overall skillset with it.
Not to be pedantic, buddy, but you disputed my assertion that he was even entitled to consider himself a United player yet.
Oh sorry I thought it was you who first used the "average" tag when you classified Pepe as so. Oh wait...yes it was.. you berk. So forgive me for using that as a yardstick.
I've also seen Pepe bring the ball out of defence for Real on countless occassions. Check out the Classico at Bernabeu last season there was one enormous run from his 18 yard line right up to the opposing box, it was fecking brilliant play and eased the pressure on his team at a crucial time.
If I'm honest I've never seen Evans do anything quite like that, and definitely not against a team as superb as Barcelona. So there you go you tit.
No Brosstan, what I found outlandish is your assertion that Evans is world-class with the ball at his feet, and that there are only two defenders in world football you could think of who were better than him in this respect......that was the reference.
Never said he is an average footballer...not once. I also suggested you had not watched much football outside of England as you could think of very few peers better with the ball than him. I offered a list of well-known individuals who are superior. Never said you were a footballing Neanderthal it's way too easy to spot this breed.
So anyone who doesn't hold your opinion is this? Not my intention I can assure you.
Not once said anything about not accepting a good young player or preffering an expensive alternative.
This is quite funny actually....fair do's you may have a point there
although I do stand by everything I've said. General pattern or trend here is that during an argument you would be the person who "puts words into someones mouth" as the idiom goes. You are highly presumptious fella.
You fecking retard. I said he was average, then you waddle in and say that's 'ridiculous' and the real standard for average is Shawcross. So you were saying my definition of average was wrong and yours was right, despite us comparing him with different players... Geddit?
He's above average compared to people like Shawcross, but is average when compared with the best technical defenders in the world.. Not complicated. In the same way you calling Shawcross average is absolute bollocks if we compare him against everyone who plays football. You were just moving the goalposts, the discussion was about the best CB's, so had feck all to do with Shawcross. In that company Pepe is average and behind the likes of Evans.
I think you just need to pause a second before you hit the post button, maybe re-read what you have typed?
No, maybe you should read through the last few pages again then and see who is putting words into whose mouth. I am highly presumptious (is that a word) indeed when all I have to go on are a few posts in a thread and really it's been enough for me to form an opinion.
I'll leave it here with you, cos really if I keep going it will only end up with one or both of us getting into a slanging match which I don't need or really care enough about. Perhaps in future before you complain about your right to have an opinion you should respect others too.
He's a Pique fan boy...
I agree with some of those other players mentioned being overall better ball players - hence why some of them have been played in midfield with reasonable / good success. But as I see it there is a huge difference between overall ballplaying skillset and the on-the-ball skillset you need as a CB. See Luiz for instance, he could probably do a decent job in a 3 man midfield as the guy with no designated role, being allowed to roam around and do runs from deep, dribbling off a man here and there. Something I cant see Evans being succesful at. That doesnt mean Luiz has the calmness and on the ball tenacity that is important to be a successful ball playing CB. He just gives me a feeling of uncertainty and an air of "hes gonna do something stupid" when hes under pressure in defence. Evans not so.
For some reason many people seem dazzled by seeing a CB dribble off an opponent and go on a driving run like Vermaelen, Luiz, Lucio etc have done on many occasions, while ignoring lacking ability in more important areas of their game.
Oh and comsmit, the reason people jump on you is because of the way you argue, belittling others opinion and generally coming across as a bit of a twat. Not that you dont think Evans is world class.
I said he was average, then you waddle in and say that's 'ridiculous' and the real standard for average is Shawcross. So you were saying my definition of average was wrong and yours was right, despite us comparing him with different players... Geddit?
He's above average compared to people like Shawcross, but is average when compared with the best technical defenders in the world.. Not complicated. In the same way you calling Shawcross average is absolute bollocks if we compare him against everyone who plays football. You were just moving the goalposts, the discussion was about the best CB's, so had feck all to do with Shawcross. In that company Pepe is average and behind the likes of Evans.
I think you just need to pause a second before you hit the post button, maybe re-read what you have typed?
fecking retard???
Brilliant....how old are you? Waddle in? 
I like that actually. What are you suggesting here man?!! As I remember though it was you who waddled in. I was already in a discussion. Let me make this clear. I mentioned Pepe with reference to a claim that there are only two central defenders in world football who are better with the ball than Jonny Evans. You then "waddled in" to suggest Pepe is average on the ball. You did not once say "in comparison to Jonny Evans." My response was that average is Shawcross or Skrtel (just two off the top of my head), and it should be plainly fecking obvious the comparison is in relation to Pepe & Evans.
As you say yourself we are talking about elite ball playing central defenders. Why would you start pissing around with definitions of average??? When I say someone is average on the ball I'm not going to waste time saying.."in comparison to a fecking sunday league footballer."
I'm not moving any goalposts and the discussion was actually about Evans' ball-playing ability in comparison to other top central defenders. If you want to be fickle about definitions of average save it for another time. You think Evans is better on the ball than Pepe....fair enough....I disagree. Just lay off with the petty bullshit and childish insults however hard that might be for you.
Perhaps you need to pause before you actually log onto your little laptop and ask yourself.....do I really want to be a penarse today?
Agreed.
Makes it even more stranger that Comsmit here is saying Gary Cahill is better on the ball than him. Either he's grossly underestimating Evans or overrating Cahill.
Yeh fair enough fella. No you are definitely not being pedantic I was a bit out of order when I dismissed your suggestion that JE had nothing to prove. I got the context wrong but I understand what you were actually referring to. You were not wrong and I accept your riposte.
Apologies coming your way.
Now that's more like it. This thread has all got a bit out of hand. Your opinions on Jonny are probably not a million miles from those you're battling with in here. No need for all the aggro, people.
Was he injured at the end
Was he injured at the end
I thought so, hopefully just a small knock.
Why would rio come off for Chico if Evans was injured?
It was after that, at the Full-Time whistle the cameras showed a United player down getting treatment, think it was Jonny.
Looked fecked at the end.
Oh goody, another injured defender.
Oh goody, another injured defender.
Saw that, hoping he was just exhausted...
Well Smalling's coming back soon. Can't be having three fit defenders now can we...
Was just thinking, thought it was ridiculous how espn criticised him after the spurs game, thought he was positionally excellent and made the correct decisions all game, played really well again so fair this season, will be our number 1 cb before too long if things continue as they are.
Wow! I must have saw a completely different game to you. I can't see Evans as a first choice as long everybody is fit. I don't say this easy but he's not title challenge material.
In my opinion he was at fault for the first 2 goals (not just him but he was the main culpret) saying that he's been excellent lately.
He didn't make the correct decision when he decided it's better to go to ground rather than close Vertonghen down. Why fecking throw yourself on the floor instead of reducing the space in front of the attacker? Naive defending that hopefully should be rectified with more experience. He also shafted Ferdinand when he vacated the space in front of Bale, what the feck was that? Once again you close down the attacking threat and cut of the space they are looking to move into. This also makes it harder for Bale to slip in Defoe. If he closed down quickly Defoe would be stranded in an offside position.
Poor decision making is a constant concern for me with Evans....he needs to think a little bit more for himself rather than relying on Ferdinand or Vidic to guide his ass. He's played a handful of games so far but he's hardly shone has he? He's not even the best of a bad bunch, Vidic has been out for 9 months and he has been better, although clearly searching for complete match sharpness.
Not a great game from him. Suspect for the first goal and for the second goal, him or Ferdinand has to get close to Bale faster. Its easier to criticize Rio for that one because he ends up being the one who doesnt make the needed tackle, but its a communication issue at the back that results in none of them getting close to Bale before its too late.
The first 2 goals against Spurs? Explain
it was our super soft midfiled that was at fault for those goals. have we forgotten to tackle?
feel ashamed thinking about it.
get a fecking tackling midfielder Fergie.
feel ashamed thinking about it.
get a fecking tackling midfielder Fergie.
Evans' fault....idiots.
Ostentation is the signal flag of............?
He did poorly in the 2nd goal but Rio was out of order for both goals, especially the first one. Chasing a man into Rafael's territory leaving a huge gap like that in the middle.
I saw this thread bumped and I thought he was injured. So for once I'm glad you guys are just slating him.
Think he'll play with a slight knock tomorrow. Hopefully nothing too bad.
Eh? What choice did Rio have? He had to follow Defoe's run on the first, was left horribly exposed against the quickest in the league on the 2nd and had to go out with Defoe on the 3rd because Rafa had gone past halfway.
Did anyone see Nev's analysis last night? It was outstanding and spot on as ever. Basically saying the team defending apalliningly as a unit and left Rio exposed 1 v 1.
He wasn't getting at Rafael much coz he was saying you'd expect him to get forward but more Evra for not tucking in alongside Evans and leaving a huge gap.