We could sign any two defenders in the world right now and we would be extremely lucky to get them up to the level of Rio/Vidic from 2006-2011. Very few world class defenders about these days.
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We could sign any two defenders in the world right now and we would be extremely lucky to get them up to the level of Rio/Vidic from 2006-2011. Very few world class defenders about these days.
Indeed, very hard to get a combination like that.
Only people with red tinted glasses. Some United fans think Evans is one of the best CBs in the premier league. I'm talking up there with Kompany.
Show me one post on here where people put Evans up alongside Kompany. You have a habit of making stuff up, I'm betting this is another one.
When I talk about United fans im not fvcking restricted to posters on this forum
It just a disgrace, it's Rawk'ish, Evans is a mediocre defender, in form he is a decent top10 defender, not more and not less.
Ah ok, it's 'those' fans that are saying it
Ah ok, it's 'those' fans that are saying it
I've come across them, how the fvck would you know?
Fergie started this shit with all the unrealistic praise he was heaping on Evans since he was 19...including saying Evans was arguably the 'best defender in the country' back in 2012. He also said Evans would be a dead cert to be a United captain and key player for years to come when he was 21 and awarded with a 30k salary
I'm not saying you haven't, it's just you have a history of making shit up.
@iBoss is right about how good Evans was in the season where Vidic did his ligaments, I recall Fergie calling him the best CB in the league that season, now that might be typical hyperbole from a manager but I think Evans was in the conversation without a doubt.
It's been a long time since he showed that type of form though and I'd certainly sell him to make room for a top CB in January.
It's been a long time since he showed that type of form though and I'd certainly sell him to make room for a top CB in January.
A history of making shit up? Like what exactly? You must be stuck on that Vidic/McNair comparison shit. Assuming
That was the one that sticks out, I remember there being another couple but I can't remember them.
I don't recall getting into any other direct debates with you besides that one on the McNair thread and on this one, you'd certainly remember and so would I.
Maybe.
True, And that's the problem lots of people here,
They just want to compare even its realistically not possible.
Evens never going to be next Rio, or Vidic but that's doesn't means he is useless.
In past when he was given chance he done good job and that we need to realize.
Well if you are talking about injuries then I agree with you, it look like he is not going to overcome his injury problem.
But if you think he is useless and don't have talent than I disagree with you.
As its goes he is most reliable defender on those 3, also less injuries prone.
At no point have I ever said he's useless and doesn't have talent. In fact I've repeatedly gone out of my way to state I think he's a good player.
I picked those names to use as a comparison. Maybe it's something lost in translation but you said Evans could be a "great" player. When I hear the word "great" I'm thinking of names like Vidic, Rio and Stam.
Also, can I just add, "great" is the level we should be aiming for. We won't win anything with just decent/good defenders.
If Evans wasn't a perma-crock then you'd think he could be a regular starter for an elite club - either as a 3rd choice CB or potentially even as first choice alongside a world class CB who complimented Evans perfectly.
As it is I'm starting to have doubts if he will even be at United for much longer. He's two years older than Smalling and four years older than Jones, so you'd expect him to be the first of our current crop to be cut loose if he doesn't stay fit and produce consistently soon.
As it is I'm starting to have doubts if he will even be at United for much longer. He's two years older than Smalling and four years older than Jones, so you'd expect him to be the first of our current crop to be cut loose if he doesn't stay fit and produce consistently soon.
City won the league with Demichellis and Kolarov/Clichy in their defence last season. Madrid won the CL with Carvajal at RB. None of them are great defenders.
All of them are more consistent than Evans
Kolarov or Clichy aren't IMO and Demichellis was poor for the first half of last season.
We don't have any great defenders at CB, that's my point. CIty have Kompany. Madrid have, erm, yeh, take your point.
All of them can get on the pitch more often than Evans...
I quite rate Ramos TBH.True and I agree with your earlier point that we need to get rid of at least one of the three injury prone CB's for one that can be relied upon, and Evans would probably be my pick of the three, but I do think he could be good enough to be a starter for a team challenging for major trophies if he could get over his injury problems once and for all.
Still, Evans is both inconsistent with his performances (which could sometimes be due to him struggling with form getting back from injury, but still) and off course he's unreliable. All of those other players have managed more than 7 consecutive games in the last two years, which is where Evans is.
True and I agree with your earlier point that we need to get rid of at least one of the three injury prone CB's for one that can be relied upon, and Evans would probably be my pick of the three, but I do think he could be good enough to be a starter for a team challenging for major trophies if he could get over his injury problems once and for all.
We'll sell him to Sunderland next season. If he's lucky maybe Everton will pick him up. I don't see him playing for a top four team after United.
For real?
Did he not get a good run in 2009 as well during our long clean sheet run?
He's had loads of good to great spells in the team. Some so good people wanted one of Vidic/Rio benched and sometimes that did happen.
I remember him being quite good during that period to be honest.
Interestingly enough, Keano calls him "a born leader" in his latest book.
It's interesting how so few people can meet in the middle when discussing our players. Rooney, Mata, Kagawa, Jones, Evans, etc seem to create such polarising opinions when in reality the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.
Evans isn't a world beating CB, however, he isn't the dog shite he's often made out to be. He can be a fairly high quality CB when he is healthy and playing a few consecutive games. Perhaps he needs to be paired with a better partner. I don't think the Evans of the last 18 months is the true Jonny Evans. A lot of our players need a big shot of confidence (and a run of games) following the Moyes fiasco and he is one of them.
However, how we can give him this with him out injured half the time is another story.
Interestingly enough, Keano calls him "a born leader" in his latest book.
It's interesting how so few people can meet in the middle when discussing our players. Rooney, Mata, Kagawa, Jones, Evans, etc seem to create such polarising opinions when in reality the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.
Evans isn't a world beating CB, however, he isn't the dog shite he's often made out to be. He can be a fairly high quality CB when he is healthy and playing a few consecutive games. Perhaps he needs to be paired with a better partner. I don't think the Evans of the last 18 months is the true Jonny Evans. A lot of our players need a big shot of confidence (and a run of games) following the Moyes fiasco and he is one of them.
However, how we can give him this with him out injured half the time is another story.
Yes I do believe he could be great player and when he had run of game he prove that.
I also said if he can resolve his injuries problem.
Also vidic, Rio are not great players but they are one of best in world.
This doesn't make sense...how can you say they are/were not great players but among the best in the world?
He probably means not the best players individually but as a partnership where one of the best in the world.
Alright. Probably so. I believe they were both great individually.
I think he means that they were more than great. Because if he means they weren't the best individually then he is completely wrong.