Look at the posts on here when the team was announced, that's why.
He kept quiet about Miki for weeks and that only made things worse.
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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He kept quiet about Miki for weeks and that only made things worse.
So if you had to dump one of them now, you would rather dump Mourinho?? I get what you're saying about the 3-year thing but I don't think that's Jose's intention with United and we really need him to stay and build another dynasty in the long term. Shaw is not indispensable.
I think thats fair.
The thing is, Jose might have been keeping it "in doors" for a few weeks but those players might have been letting him down consistently. Today, based on his comments before the game, he went with people who will not let him down. And tbf, we won the game.
The cuddly approach hasn't worked I see no problem with this, I trust mou more than our current crop of players
Is absolutely correct.
See whats happened with Mikhitaryan. The fans are blaming Mourinho because 'he's quality and Jose's ignoring him'. He's right to let the fans understand the truth. We have a player (or probably several) who are not willing to give their all for the club. You simply cannot have that in a successful team so why should Jose shelter them?
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So you would dump arguably the current best manager in football for Luke Shaw or any player for that matter? 
I find it hard to believe that it's Shaw he's referring to here. I think it's Martial. All this nonsense about the shirt number is just not on. Reminds me of that Yaya Toure crap. Just get over it.
If Shaw was hurt today, let's not hammer him for it. Ruud was one of those players who wouldn't kick a ball if he felt a niggle. All of these players have expiration dates and they need to look after themselves.
If Shaw was hurt today, let's not hammer him for it. Ruud was one of those players who wouldn't kick a ball if he felt a niggle. All of these players have expiration dates and they need to look after themselves.
Maybe he shouldn't say this in public but maybe he's tried saying it behind closed doors and it's made no difference. He hasn't named names here and hopefully whoever it is now wants to prove Jose wrong. We can't have mentally weak players, it has cost us too much in the past few seasons. When Jose was at Chelsea during his first stint they were a bunch of absolute cnuts but they were fighters and mentally strong, we need him to build that here.
I don't think intention comes into it. I just think at his best he's incapable of it, and his management style isn't suited to it. Same with Pep, I bet he'd much rather be managing Barcelona than any club since. You can't make Usain Bolt run a marathon.
Spot on mate, and I'm inclined for the time being to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Hang on a second....
Are people here actually standing up for half arsed, not bothered playing, not interested players over the manager?
fecking hell...
Are people here actually standing up for half arsed, not bothered playing, not interested players over the manager?
fecking hell...
Think @Sandikan needs to see this.
Honestly, its clear after the past three years that our dressing room isn't right. A poison has seeped into the club. The influence of agents and entourage is higher than it ever was under Fergie.
Sir Alex was happy to turn down talented players because he wasn't willing to give their entourage an opening into the club. People talk about Mendes but he always played a straight bat with Man Utd. There are others, we know who they are, who go running to the Sun and the Mail the second their client/mate has a gripe. Its happened under three managers in a row now, it has to end if we're going to get back to where we should be.
I am willing to back Jose doing whatever it takes to make sure, when he does go, the manager is the most important man at Man Utd again.
I agree with what he thinks but you don't say it infront of cameras, he has shite methods and it's this type of shite things that prevented him from staying in a club. This man will throw anyone under the bus at the first opportunity and don't be fooled, he sent his minions infront of the press this week to justfify his unconvincing start and he will do it again if he is in trouble in the future.
Yep. And sometimes making public statements like this as opposed to keeping everything in the dressing room can work well too. Players might feel embarrassed by being called out like that and thus work hard to make sure it doesn't happen again.
It's risky, but maybe we need a little bit "risky".
He criticised Rooney for hiding an injury. Didn't Smalling play with an injury vs Chelsea which he made worse and not played since?
We don't know the finer details but not too concerned about Shaw on this one just yet.
We don't know the finer details but not too concerned about Shaw on this one just yet.
Saha came to mind as soon as I heard this.
So he's just basically passing the blame onto the players for the fans?
On miki, he's a professional footballer, the guy's succeeded wherever he's played. Isn't it Jose's job to work with him privately to try to get the best out of him? Surely that's a part of leadership?
Find it amazing that he hasn't featured at all and the general treatment with him strange.
Fans siding with the players after what they have delivered in the last few years will only continue the status quo.
Ffs, side with the manager and give the players the kick up the ass they need.
Ffs, side with the manager and give the players the kick up the ass they need.
Yeah, they don't fecking learn... Or they just really hate Mourinho.
Sir Alex would have drop kicked Shaw if his brother was tweeting that during his reign.
Shaw was criticised a couple of seasons back for being unfit and he went away and trained all off season to get super fit. If this is aimed at him then I hope he takes it the same way and goes out to show Jose he's barking up the wrong tree.
Absolutely love those comments and his mentality.
LVG called out Shaw for being unfit / overweight before the injury so could be a fair assessment of his attitude my Jose.
Jose Mourinho. Took teams like Inter and Porto who were nowhere close to the top to domestic titles and Champions league victories. Responsible for more than half of Chelsea's history and has just over a year ago won the premier league. If this man can't do the job, who can? Giggs?
Anyone who doubts Jose is talking nonsense. I believe van Gaal is also a great manager but he suffered from lack of commitment from his players, the same thing Jose is talking about.
Anyone who doubts Jose is talking nonsense. I believe van Gaal is also a great manager but he suffered from lack of commitment from his players, the same thing Jose is talking about.
I think its interesting that, in the interview, Mourinho stressed that its not only the players but the people around them them.
United has become a cash cow for hangers on. We're like an episode of entourage now. A lot of big headed players who think they're a brand but haven't won a single title.
I think a lot of players have come into the club at a time when the dressing room is poisoned, they've picked up bad habits as a result, and we need to stop the rot before we end up with a dressing room that is uncontrollable.
Here's the interview where he made these comments-
Don't think he is bothered about players who are actually injured. It's more that he feels that there is a stage where you can play, even though you might get aches and pains after. Some will not play unless they are completely pain free. You have to man up sometimes.
Beat me to it!
That's what happens when you push a couple of hundred thousand quids in the hands of players/agents.
And when the manager wants to pick fights with the players in public.
And when the manager wants to pick fights with the players in public.
I'd guess managers and the backroom staff have been trying to sort this out behind closed doors for a few years. So it doesn't bother me at all if Mourinho feels he needs to call them out on camera.
Also football is supposed to be entertaining. I'd much rather hear a real opinion than the generic bollocks footballers knock out on Twitter.
Also football is supposed to be entertaining. I'd much rather hear a real opinion than the generic bollocks footballers knock out on Twitter.
Jose Mourinho. Took teams like Inter and Porto who were nowhere close to the top to domestic titles and Champions league victories. Responsible for more than half of Chelsea's history and has just over a year ago won the premier league. If this man can't do the job, who can? Giggs?
Anyone who doubts Jose is talking nonsense. I believe van Gaal is also a great manager but he suffered from lack of commitment from his players, the same thing Jose is talking about.
Luke Shaws brother for manager.
I am usually against openly criticising our players in the media, but considering they are using the press all the time and can't keep their mouth shut, I don't mind it this time. They need a dose of their own medicine. Spoilt children.
You guys are so hive-minded and reactionary and this is the exact reason why Jose keeps throwing players under the bus every time the results go wrong. Did this at Real, did this at Chelsea and now he is repeating the same pattern.
I get it, results are going bad so we all need to grab our pitchforks and throw someone into the fire and he's obliging those fans by giving them your scapegoats.
What exactly does he gain by questioning the commitment of a player in the media? He's trying to deflect the blame off of himself when every other new manager has brought optimism and strong results to their clubs despite lesser transfer budgets than him and he is doing his best to deflect pressure and get the fans on his side. You don't see Conte or Pep calling out their players, hell Moreno shit himself nearly every minute he's been on the pitch, costing Liverpool all the points they dropped so far this season and Klopp has been nothing short of supportive of him.
We've had one of the greatest man managers of all time managing this club and even at his direst hour, he never ever threw his players out to media criticism. The closest we got was when Rooney was being an utterly unbelievable twat mongering for a contract extension. Yet you cannot identify a desperate manager when you see one.
The players are perfectly fine, they need to be managed for what they are. Otherwise, if its Shaw and Mkhitaryan today, who knows who's going to be next when the results falter and those players are not at the club anymore?
He'd have dropped kicked his brother as well.
I might be in the minority but I'm very happy with him challenging the issues with players publicly. Some of them need a boot up the arse for how they've performed the past few years, it's giving the manager problems and it's upsetting the preparation of matches that we pay a lot of money to go and enjoy.
For example, if the player in question is Shaw then we want a main stay at LB and for someone to hold down the position just like Irwin and Evra, we want players fighting through pain to play for this club. We don't want players who will just lay down when they get a bit of a kick, we need stability and a consistent team to start building on today's result. We won't achieve such things if players are shying away from playing cause of a few bruises.
If he has to constantly say it in the press then so be it cause it needs to be drilled home to those players that the manager and us fans won't accept such poor mentalities.
I am with Jose on this. As you say someone is leaking stuff to the press, they are not keeping stuff in house, so Jose is quite within his rights to have his say.
Then why be so blunt as to why Shaw didn't play? It's Shaw. No doubt he's a little annoyed at Martial's agent, but the agent didn't say anything bad at all if you read his comments. On the other hand, Shaw's brother called him a cnut in his tweets.
This.
I don't normally like it, but our lot are spineless.
He needs to make it public so the fans can understand what his intention is.
Again read this forum when the team sheet cames out, people saying they were done with season and calling it the worst United side in modern history.
Our players are too comfortable imo, I'd say he tried to accomplish this privately but Chelsea and Fenerbache happened where we just crumbled from an early goal so enough was enough.
Why overly protect the players when that's what Jose is trying to counteract?
Again look at Mikhitaryan, the rumours of Jose not wanting to sign him at all only came from Jose refusing to address the sutuation in public and now it's stuck.
Absolutely not true though. First thing that comes to mind is he tore his Aberdeen players a new one right after they won the freaking cup. I'm sure there are other examples too.
As for this, not sure what to think about it to be honest. Maybe Jose has good reasons for going public with this, and with the way things have been going at this club for the past years I wouldn't be surprised if he did.
You can argue about publicly calling out players not being right but I'm guessing Mourinho has tried to deal with things behind the scenes for months and he's lost patience.
Thing is that everyone from pundits to fans and rival players/managers have been seeing these issues for a long time - this has been a very public problem and everyone knows it. I for one am in agreement that any players with bad attitudes and a lack of toughness need to be shipped out. Weve tried throwing money at players, changing managers etc and we have still looked soft for over 3 years and drastic changes are required.
Thing is that everyone from pundits to fans and rival players/managers have been seeing these issues for a long time - this has been a very public problem and everyone knows it. I for one am in agreement that any players with bad attitudes and a lack of toughness need to be shipped out. Weve tried throwing money at players, changing managers etc and we have still looked soft for over 3 years and drastic changes are required.