To be honest if players feel they not physically 100% ready to play I see nothing wrong with it, you don't want to physically kill your players when they got little injury's. I do think its Martial he has a problem with, and the mess with his agent
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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To be honest if players feel they not physically 100% ready to play I see nothing wrong with it, you don't want to physically kill your players when they got little injury's. I do think its Martial he has a problem with, and the mess with his agent
Apologies if already posted, post-match presser. He discusses the statement in more detail at the end of this.
It's certainly a bold move to be putting these messages out there considering the injury Shaw had, and I'm not sure I 100% agree with the way he's going about this, but I do like in this clip how he makes the point that the play-through-the-pain culture is not expected just from him but expected for Man United.
It's certainly a bold move to be putting these messages out there considering the injury Shaw had, and I'm not sure I 100% agree with the way he's going about this, but I do like in this clip how he makes the point that the play-through-the-pain culture is not expected just from him but expected for Man United.
I personally take no issue with Jose expressing his feelings in public, especially when it concerns the well being of the club I love. If certain players are not giving 100% effort toward the betterment of United as a whole, yet are still prepared to take home 100% of their over inflated wage packet, then calling them out in public is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.
I wouldn't even have a problem with him outright naming and shaming the culprits in question, moreover I think they would deserve such ridicule. We need men playing for our club, men with character, men whom are prepared to lose a limb for the badge. Men who thrive under pressure as opposed to wilting at the first sign of it, men who are committed to the cause in every sense of the word. Men absolute.
If I'm one of the players that Jose is referring to then I'd be furious after reading those comments. I'd be desperate to prove him wrong, as would any man whos character and integrity come under the microscope. Fury is a powerful motivator, Jose has long known this, and these comments are intended to spark such motivation from the players in question. I just hope they take it as such and begin to show improvement. At the very least he will manage to weed out the men from the boys.
I wouldn't even have a problem with him outright naming and shaming the culprits in question, moreover I think they would deserve such ridicule. We need men playing for our club, men with character, men whom are prepared to lose a limb for the badge. Men who thrive under pressure as opposed to wilting at the first sign of it, men who are committed to the cause in every sense of the word. Men absolute.
If I'm one of the players that Jose is referring to then I'd be furious after reading those comments. I'd be desperate to prove him wrong, as would any man whos character and integrity come under the microscope. Fury is a powerful motivator, Jose has long known this, and these comments are intended to spark such motivation from the players in question. I just hope they take it as such and begin to show improvement. At the very least he will manage to weed out the men from the boys.
As I stated, we heard similar thing like this from our former players under SAF before. Rooney inclusion for the second leg vs Bayern Munich spring to mind (even though with hindsight it's more negative than positive)...
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The guys a fecking nutter. We actually win a game yet he also managed to most probably alienate most of our squad with his comments about the players who played being the ones who wanted to play as well as fairly clearly singling out a player who's only a year removed from a serious leg break.
I sort of hope he blows up sooner rather than later so he doesn't get a chance to drum out every player who's not quite got the HUGE HUGE BALLS Mourinho covets. It might just be possible that talent is more valuable than macho posturing.
I sort of hope he blows up sooner rather than later so he doesn't get a chance to drum out every player who's not quite got the HUGE HUGE BALLS Mourinho covets. It might just be possible that talent is more valuable than macho posturing.
Agreed.
And where is he going to sign all these tough guys people expect him to sign? People realize we will be going after players who were born in the 90s?
Fully behind Jose. Love the players but if they aren't prepared to give 100% and fight for the team then they deserve a kick up the ass
You remember Alex Ferguson right?
Hijack Atletico targets... or get their scouts and directors. These guys have been doing a good job getting some toughed guys
I completely agree, I think 9 times out of 10 players will respond to this, go about their work and we'll benefit.
Look at Peps handling of Yaya/hart, Klopp with Sturridge and even Conte with Costa at the end of the summer/start of the year. Even if the specific player doesn't make it back into the squad it sets the tone for the whole club.
Anyone without the stomach for criticism can go as far as I'm concerned. That said I think there's very few if any in our squad who will make issue of it.
twitter is saying Smalling and Shaw, Ive not seen many mentions of Martial
Times have changed from the whole Ferguson's protect your players not matter what stance.
Social media has changed the game forever
The goalposts have moved and I'm sure we will see a lot more of it in the future.
It's okay and the press agree when pep does it to nasri, or toure. Or klopp and Sturridge
Seems like the standard has to be set via the press these days not in the dressing room
Social media has changed the game forever
The goalposts have moved and I'm sure we will see a lot more of it in the future.
It's okay and the press agree when pep does it to nasri, or toure. Or klopp and Sturridge
Seems like the standard has to be set via the press these days not in the dressing room
He's dead right to be honest. I'm just not sure what saying it to the press achieves exactly.
You don't want players tellling you they don't want to play though. That is cowardly and really weak. It basicallly means the player has convinced themselves they're too weak to play which they shouldn't be doing under any circumstance. We have a medical team for that.
Imagine going to the manager of Manchester United and telling him that you can't play for MAnchester United today because your leg hurts a bit and you're worried about it. Pathetic attitude really.
You don't want players tellling you they don't want to play though. That is cowardly and really weak. It basicallly means the player has convinced themselves they're too weak to play which they shouldn't be doing under any circumstance. We have a medical team for that.
Imagine going to the manager of Manchester United and telling him that you can't play for MAnchester United today because your leg hurts a bit and you're worried about it. Pathetic attitude really.
Player powers goes to those who perform and deliver, so our current squad should have zero.
If you ain't prepared to give 100% then you deserve all the stick you receive, with Jose on this!
Manchester Evening News are saying it's those two.
Expect a leak or two from players in the press this week again.
It's become so predictable.
No one wants any of these players sold.But we can all see that some players really haven't been puting a shift in. It's been a constant feature over the last 3 years too.
But for me the worst example was the away game at Stoke last season. Yet it was only Van Gaal that got blamed at the time.
It's become so predictable.
No one wants any of these players sold.But we can all see that some players really haven't been puting a shift in. It's been a constant feature over the last 3 years too.
But for me the worst example was the away game at Stoke last season. Yet it was only Van Gaal that got blamed at the time.
Whilst I generally agree and I'm behind Mourinho on this my slight reservation is in being too harsh on a young lad who suffered a horrific leg break just a year ago.
I think there are a few possible reasons for going to the press. If he's about to leave certain players out then he might want the fans to understand why it's happening before they turn on him. It also puts that extra pressure on the players to prove to everyone that they are giving their all, because thats what the supporters and everybody watching will now be looking for in the players.
oh ffs its probably two completely different players then
There has been plenty of PR on Mourinho's side as well.
Yep. It appears that some want us to keep spending record amounts of money, while getting 4th/5th place and sacking managers, while the players get off scott-free.
I won't be forgetting what happened after the CFC game. The smiles. The love-in. The hugs. The comradery......with the players who just beat us badly.
How have the players gotten off scott free? We buy a new team like every summer.
Should have a poll to see whether people are happy with Mou's approach to try and change the culture at the club.
What culture? Most of the guys at the club right now have been here for less than three years.
Good for him.
Two can play that game.
Moyes and Van Gaal have shown that sucking up to this players doesn't work. Next best alternative could be controlling the media narrative yourself.
It's something Sir Alex did. ( simply using Fergie as an example of time proven successful management)
Mourinho is spot on in saying this. Players that make as much money as some of those who flatter to deceive regularly for United can handle some criticism, public or otherwise. And he's absolutely right that to play at the highest levels you need to be able to play through manageable pain, especially when the team needs all hands on deck.
It's Smalling and Shaw.
Nothing to do with Martial.
Nothing to do with Martial.
Hey, not that I'm saying I'm happy with it, but this sort of thing happens not just in United but sports in general. Most of the players in the top flight of any sport have played with each other through the youth ranks and hang out together during the summer/off season. Times have changed.
Same, I mean seriously, if players are breaking down emotionally and refusing to apply themselves correctly in training and on match day because Mourinho called them mean words in public, then we don't need such egotistical and mentally weak players at United.
I'm surprised anyone here is upset with Jose on this, the last manager failed in part due to pandering to this spineless set of players who fold every time we go a goal down and show no pride in the shirt. It's clear as day we have a weak willed bunch and what Jose has done here is lay down the gauntlet, either they shape up or ship out, no more hiding behind the manager.
He praised Smalling for playing hurt against Chelsea, but the weay he said it did seem sarcastic, maybe it was.
He praised Smalling for playing hurt against Chelsea, but the weay he said it did seem sarcastic, maybe it was.
Well its no surprise Jose is getting frustrated and annoyed. hes basically had to revert to the few gold nuggets in the team and hang the rest out to dry.
Some players are into the whole celebrity of football over the results and it seems to me our squad is literred with them. Basically young kids being paid too much and believing they are above anything or anyone in the club.
When you as a 20 year old are dropped by your manager your brother should not be jumping on social media mouthing off. when your squad number is chnaged you simply deal with it. Its not the managers fault you set up your brand stupidly early.
Im so so sick of people protecting these mollycoddled players and saying "jose shouldnt say anything" why?! why the hell not? players seem able to have a piss and moan on social media why not the boss. he has the actual right to with the experience and things hes won.
Id sooner get rid of any whinging players than the manager and if it needs to be then sure sell Shaw. sell Martial. sell Smalling i DONT CARE how talented they are they do not have the mentality to be united players.
Some players are into the whole celebrity of football over the results and it seems to me our squad is literred with them. Basically young kids being paid too much and believing they are above anything or anyone in the club.
When you as a 20 year old are dropped by your manager your brother should not be jumping on social media mouthing off. when your squad number is chnaged you simply deal with it. Its not the managers fault you set up your brand stupidly early.
Im so so sick of people protecting these mollycoddled players and saying "jose shouldnt say anything" why?! why the hell not? players seem able to have a piss and moan on social media why not the boss. he has the actual right to with the experience and things hes won.
Id sooner get rid of any whinging players than the manager and if it needs to be then sure sell Shaw. sell Martial. sell Smalling i DONT CARE how talented they are they do not have the mentality to be united players.
Seems pretty clear this is going to go one of two ways. Either he turns this squad around and we start winning again, or he'll have another Chelsea-style disaster. We'll know soon enough.
BTW interesting that he says Carrick cannot play every week but apparently ibrahimovic can.
BTW interesting that he says Carrick cannot play every week but apparently ibrahimovic can.
Time certain individuals woke up a bit and realised what it means to play for United.
Look at Pogba. Gets a heavy knock but declares himself fit and helps us bag a win with a screamer. That's the difference.
Some of you lot are as weak as some of the players by the sound of it.
Look at Pogba. Gets a heavy knock but declares himself fit and helps us bag a win with a screamer. That's the difference.
Some of you lot are as weak as some of the players by the sound of it.
The guy is publicly starting a new feud with his own players after literally every single game.
This guy just can't shut up and be positive after a win. why can't Jose just deal with these issues in private and stop putting more pressure on the club, players and providing more unnecessary stories for the press. The media were right this guy is always about him and always needs attention and causes drama every day and he is never wrong always the players and when they win a trophy it's all him. He is just toxic. Jose you talk the talk let's see if you can walk the walk and win utd trophies
Interesting username.
Good, they'll think twice before running to their journalist mates complaining about their "shock" and "surprise" at difficult training, or at a diet plan or at Mourinho criticism or any other minor bollocks that has upset them in their overly sensitive bubbles. We've got a player sulking and under performing because his squad number was changed ffs.