Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."

Do you agree with Jose criticizing players in public for not being willing/fit to play?

  • Yes - the players need a kick up the bum!

    Votes: 395 69.8%

  • No - its unnecessary to criticize them in public. This should be handled internally

    Votes: 161 28.4%

  • No - but no matter what Jose does, i dont like him anyway

    Votes: 10 1.8%
  • Total voters
    566
We have a collection of mentally weak players, they give up at the first sign of difficulty and have under performed for three seasons now and the start of this one while leaking things about their manager to the press. Jose has every right to call the players out and try and change the culture at the club, Van Gaal tried to absorb all the blame upon himself and look where it got him and how our players 'fought' for him. They need to know their future at the club is on the line.
 
Either play for Jose or feck off, that's how its going to be. The attitude of the squad is why we're shite, mentally weak and basically half of them give no fecks about the club. Massive clear out job on his hands and not just the deadwood either, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few surprising faces sold.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
The guy is publicly starting a new feud with his own players after literally every single game.
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I look at it as laying down markers as to what is expected and acceptable from players at this club, and what Jose will not tolerate. It's quite refreshing to see the manager do that, after Moyes and LVG. I am with Mourinho over this - we need a manager who is more concerned about the desire to win than he is about the feelings and sensitivities of a few players.

As for Shaw, it is true he needs to be take care of given his return from injury, but he needs to show the right attitude and mentality to start for Jose Mourinho's Manchester United. I'm sure the club will not stop him from leaving if he wishes to, he is welcome to do so if he thinks he needs to be at a place where he is given more leeway to recover. You give 100% at United, or we find someone else who can. I personally think he will respond positively to this, however, and get back his fitness asap.

Also, it sets down a marker for other players - they know it's expected of them to be hungry to start games, even when not at 100% fitness. It should not have been explicitly mentioned once you're a Man United player, but hey, that's our squad.
 
Ramshock said:
You remember Alex Ferguson right?
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Yeah, guy who was, among other things, well known for not publicly criticizing his players (exceptions being: Nani shortly before he was sold and Rooney during their feud) and shifting his style to accommodate new generations of players who were "softer".

I guess you could say that is consistent with Mourinho if you assume he's trying to get rid of both Shaw and Smalling, would still be quite disheartening, but he implicitly criticized the majority of the squad, they aren't really up for the fight. That's not good management and it's exactly the kind of shit which came back to bite him at Chelsea. Even his warriors like Costa ended up getting fed up with him.
 
After three managers with very different approaches, at some point players have to start taking some responsibility and step up to the plate! In this instance I would rather have an average player who puts his all over a good player who just doesn't care!
 
Jose not hanging about here, publicly calling out the players on their attitude this early into his tenure.

Hopefully this gets the desired reaction. If the likes of Smalling, Shaw and Martial can hit their best form it would make a huge impact.

Interesting that Smalling and Shaw are also not in the England squad. I wonder if it's a case of "don't dare make yourselves available for England if you're not ready to play for United".
 
Conrad said:
Yeah, guy who was, among other things, well known for not publicly criticizing his players (exceptions being: Nani shortly before he was sold and Rooney during their feud) and shifting his style to accommodate new generations of players who were "softer".

I guess you could say that is consistent with Mourinho if you assume he's trying to get rid of both Shaw and Smalling, would still be quite disheartening, but he implicitly criticized the majority of the squad, they aren't really up for the fight. That's not good management and it's exactly the kind of shit which came back to bite him at Chelsea. Even his warriors like Costa ended up getting fed up with him.
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So what's the answer if our players really aren't ready for the fight? If you ask me it's a good management.
 
Conrad said:
Yeah, guy who was, among other things, well known for not publicly criticizing his players (exceptions being: Nani shortly before he was sold and Rooney during their feud) and shifting his style to accommodate new generations of players who were "softer".

I guess you could say that is consistent with Mourinho if you assume he's trying to get rid of both Shaw and Smalling, would still be quite disheartening, but he implicitly criticized the majority of the squad, they aren't really up for the fight. That's not good management and it's exactly the kind of shit which came back to bite him at Chelsea. Even his warriors like Costa ended up getting fed up with him.
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Fergie had full control though. He only had himself to blame if the players didn't have the right mentality/personality. He had recruited them.
 
Gatti33 said:
After three managers with very different approaches, at some point players have to start taking some responsibility and step up to the plate! In this instance I would rather have an average player who puts his all over a good player who just doesn't care!
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This is what Fergy did tbf
 
Totally agree with Mourinho on this.

The attitudes of Pogba, Bailly, Herrera and, despite all his other flaws, Rooney, should be the norm, not the exception.
 
Conrad said:
Yeah, guy who was, among other things, well known for not publicly criticizing his players (exceptions being: Nani shortly before he was sold and Rooney during their feud) and shifting his style to accommodate new generations of players who were "softer".

I guess you could say that is consistent with Mourinho if you assume he's trying to get rid of both Shaw and Smalling, would still be quite disheartening, but he implicitly criticized the majority of the squad, they aren't really up for the fight. That's not good management and it's exactly the kind of shit which came back to bite him at Chelsea. Even his warriors like Costa ended up getting fed up with him.
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Yeah people are really trying to paint Ferguson like he was this rigid taskmaster. He had a personality like Anderson at the club for his last 6 years.
 
Main culprits it seems would be Mkhitaryan and Shaw.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Yeah people are really trying to paint Ferguson like he was this rigid taskmaster. He had a personality like Anderson at the club for his last 6 years.
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And was widely criticised on here for it. If Mourinho feels that some players need a kick up the arse then so be it
 
Why are some of you scared about what Mourinho is saying? As the players might want to leave?

They are lucky to be here not the other way round. If you can't take the heat go and play elsewhere. Simple.
 
Scholesy said:
What is the point of criticising him in public? A quiet word would have been better
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To give the players no hiding place. It's become the default response post-Fergie to blame the manager when things don't go well at United. That seems to have contributed to a poor mentality in the dressing room and a lack of accountability.
 
TheReligion said:
Why are some of you scared about what Mourinho is saying? As the players might want to leave?

They are lucky to be here not the other way round. If you can't take the heat go and play elsewhere. Simple.
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I just think it is the same with Mourinho as well. If he is not able to get the best out of his players he can go too.
 
nokillingmoths said:
Agreed. didn't buy the best ability. bought players with the right mentality.
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I think we are starting that with Bailly, Pogba and Zlatan, but sidestepped that with the signing of Mkhi. Anyway, Bailly and Pogba will be here for many years, so more of those signings and I can see us improving.
 
A mate of mine is a professional player in the premier league here in South Africa (obviously not anywhere close to premier league standards). However, he has often in the past skipped training and matches by saying he just isn't feeling right (had lots of hamstring issues). The truth is though sometimes he just isn't in the mood to train or play, so I can definitely see where Mourinho is coming from.
 
Okay, I agree with Jose on this, but I really hope the players that he does end up signing aren't cut from the same cloth as Di Maria or other rejects from the Mendes stable.
 
Ban said:
So what's the answer if our players really aren't ready for the fight? If you ask me it's a good management.
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Maybe football isn't a fight? Liverpool are top of the league with players like Coutinho, Lallana and Firmino. None of those players screams fighter to me but they have a degree of talent and are clearly being motivated and coached well. That's good management.

I think Mourinho has got to a point in his career where he's doing what he's always done and people don't buy it anymore. He could try to adapt but he'd rather sneer at Einsteins anytime he manages a win. That's bad management for me. I hope I'm wrong but in my view he'll probably limp on for a season or two, alienating a bunch of talented players in the meantime, before he leaves cursing the world for not being the same.
 
Tough love from Mourinho. If it is Shaw I think he could have cut him a bit of slack though and kept this in house considering the serious injury he had rather than going public like that.
I just hope we are right about Mourinho in that he knows what he's doing and that he will build another great team and win trophies again instead of hitting self destruct.
 
The question should be why even start this storm when the team just got a good result.

Right now we should be looking to grab any positive and not give the media anything to feed off and continue their negativity toward us.

With the result we could finally have had some breathing space in a long time because the media couldn't just jump on a bad result to rain doom of us.

Yet here we are, our own manager started something unecessarily.

Now instead of the media and people in true kneejerk fashion and reactionary start talking about us turning corners and all that , we're instead stuck into yet another negative storm surrounding the club and what's worse is that it's been started by the manager himself.

We just won a game in the league after a long time, at least let people and everyone around the club enjoy this ffs. Why start another story? Why feed the media on more negative things to shit on our club?

Shouldn't people be talking about the results? Shouldn't the papers talk about Pogba's wonder goal? Shouldn't talks about Ibra ending his drought dominate the papers? But instead here we are talking negatively about the club, our squad etc. Negativity is what once again surrounding us and these sort of topics are dominating the papers.

Sigh.

3 months in and the digs at our own players by our own managers have already become frequent.

Mou needs to lead by example and grow up first. Show character, thougthen up and deal with internal issues behind closed doors. Don't feed the media with unecessary whining.

JESUS CHRIST.
 
Conrad said:
Maybe football isn't a fight? Liverpool are top of the league with players like Coutinho, Lallana and Firmino. None of those players screams fighter to me but they have a degree of talent and are clearly being motivated and coached well. That's good management.

I think Mourinho has got to a point in his career where he's doing what he's always done and people don't buy it anymore. He could try to adapt but he'd rather sneer at Einsteins anytime he manages a win. That's bad management for me. I hope I'm wrong but in my view he'll probably limp on for a season or two, alienating a bunch of talented players in the meantime, before he leaves cursing the world for not being the same.
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Fight in the sense of playing for the shirt, club and the manager.
It's the building a right mentality in the club and I'm all for it.
Klopp has his ways Mourinho has his.
Also Klopp came last year and made a team of his own liking. Weather it's purchases or selling or letting go players.
Mourinho is trying to do the same.
 
Too many fairies in the squad, when the going gets tough, they run to their journo mates and give them an "inside scoop". He most definitely is right to call them out. Sort your shit out if you want to play for Manchester United.
 
Comparing Klopp etc to Jose is not applicable Klopp has a good record but nothing close to Joses you need an unshakable determination anf strength as a unit to win titles and champions leagues its all good and well when you arent expected to win the league like at Liverpool but when there are few excuses as to why you havent won one in 3 years you need to be ruthless and not carry passengers.
 
Conrad said:
Maybe football isn't a fight? Liverpool are top of the league with players like Coutinho, Lallana and Firmino. None of those players screams fighter to me but they have a degree of talent and are clearly being motivated and coached well. That's good management.
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I kinda get what you're saying, but Firmino is actually tough as nails. Not Diego Costa-like, but he always seems to get the best of the defenders in a collision.
 
MartialsBeard said:
Comparing Klopp etc to Jose is not applicable Klopp has a good record but nothing close to Joses you need an unshakable determination anf strength as a unit to win titles and champions leagues its all good and well when you arent expected to win the league like at Liverpool but when there are few excuses as to why you havent won one in 3 years you need to be ruthless and not carry passengers.
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Jesus
 
Conrad said:
Maybe football isn't a fight? Liverpool are top of the league with players like Coutinho, Lallana and Firmino. None of those players screams fighter to me but they have a degree of talent and are clearly being motivated and coached well. That's good management.

I think Mourinho has got to a point in his career where he's doing what he's always done and people don't buy it anymore. He could try to adapt but he'd rather sneer at Einsteins anytime he manages a win. That's bad management for me. I hope I'm wrong but in my view he'll probably limp on for a season or two, alienating a bunch of talented players in the meantime, before he leaves cursing the world for not being the same.
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You take immediate result as if it's as gospel. That's Liverpool side was up to no good last season. They finally reaches the top of the table. The question is for how long? Would their mentality is good enough to win the league pr another repeat of Moyes' season run in for them?

They're motivated at the moment. But can they handle the pressure of 26 years of drought come May? There are some must win games that resembles fights than beautiful games. Too early to draw conclusion in the beginning of November.
 
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It's annoying that United have had these problems over the last 3 years and not City

City are literally built on mercenaries who only play for money, whereas United is built on prestige and class. It should be a City problem not a United one.

Anyway hopefully Mourinho sorts it out
 
LawCharltonBest said:
It's annoying that United have had these problems over the last 3 years and not City

City are literally built on mercenaries who only play for money, whereas United is built on prestige and class. It should be a City problem not a United one.

Anyway hopefully Mourinho sorts it out
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City were just as crappy as us last season
 
So many people defending this bullshit. It's shocking management. Shut the feck up. Do it at the training ground, take a positive where you can find it. Who has ever seen this style of man-management working in any sphere? It's not them against us, that I can understand. It's us against us. I'm worried.
 
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