Jose's signings and those possibly leaving this summer?

I would be very surprised if Mourinho kept Blind, Mata, Herrera and Darmian

We all know that Mourinho likes pace and power but I think any manager would have earmarked those 4 as incapable of playing for a top club in such a physically demanding league

I would love to see a return to a Utd side full of terrible losers and characters who played on the edge. This lot are too nice to really achieve anything
 
Jose likes workhorses and is not so fond of creative players.

I can see Martial struggling under Mourinho, he doesnt work too hard, and sometimes gets too casual in his approach. So Martial, Mata, Hererra, Depay, Adnan will need to up their work rate otherwise their creative insticts will not be enough because they wont get the freedom they desire. Look at what happened to Oscar and Hazard at Chelsea

He is not everyone's favourite but Valencia is a hardworker and will fit Jose style. Only problem will be if his technical abilities, or lack of, will be enough to make Jose happy
 
Martial is too talented to be ignored, his top level is potentially extremely high. I'm not too worried.
 
Bruno8 said:
Jose likes workhorses and is not so fond of creative players.

I can see Martial struggling under Mourinho, he doesnt work too hard, and sometimes gets too casual in his approach. So Martial, Mata, Hererra, Depay, Adnan will need to up their work rate otherwise their creative insticts will not be enough because they wont get the freedom they desire. Look at what happened to Oscar and Hazard at Chelsea

He is not everyone's favourite but Valencia is a hardworker and will fit Jose style. Only problem will be if his technical abilities, or lack of, will be enough to make Jose happy
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Won POTY?
 
Bruno8 said:
Jose likes workhorses and is not so fond of creative players.

I can see Martial struggling under Mourinho, he doesnt work too hard, and sometimes gets too casual in his approach. So Martial, Mata, Hererra, Depay, Adnan will need to up their work rate otherwise their creative insticts will not be enough because they wont get the freedom they desire. Look at what happened to Oscar and Hazard at Chelsea

He is not everyone's favourite but Valencia is a hardworker and will fit Jose style. Only problem will be if his technical abilities, or lack of, will be enough to make Jose happy
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That cliché is pure nonsense, at Madrid Mourinho played with 4 attackers "exempted" of defending tasks and had Marcelo as fullback.
 
Bruno8 said:
Jose likes workhorses and is not so fond of creative players.

I can see Martial struggling under Mourinho, he doesnt work too hard, and sometimes gets too casual in his approach. So Martial, Mata, Hererra, Depay, Adnan will need to up their work rate otherwise their creative insticts will not be enough because they wont get the freedom they desire. Look at what happened to Oscar and Hazard at Chelsea

He is not everyone's favourite but Valencia is a hardworker and will fit Jose style. Only problem will be if his technical abilities, or lack of, will be enough to make Jose happy
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The both won the league, Oscar replaced Mata and Hazard won PFA player of the year...?

Mourinho loves fast, goal scoring, wide players. This is a guy who won the treble with Samuel Eto'o as a winger. Knowing his team's cutting edge is on the flanks allows Mou to have a strong, solid spine, which is what he likes.

The players in our squad most at risk are the small, slow players who play in central areas.
 
Bruno8 said:
Jose likes workhorses and is not so fond of creative players.

I can see Martial struggling under Mourinho, he doesnt work too hard, and sometimes gets too casual in his approach. So Martial, Mata, Hererra, Depay, Adnan will need to up their work rate otherwise their creative insticts will not be enough because they wont get the freedom they desire. Look at what happened to Oscar and Hazard at Chelsea

He is not everyone's favourite but Valencia is a hardworker and will fit Jose style. Only problem will be if his technical abilities, or lack of, will be enough to make Jose happy
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That's not true. Jose signed Ozil (not sure whether it's Jose or Perez) and Ozil had all the freedom he wanted in that Madrid side. He signed Sneijder for Inter and he played a free role for Inter.

Hazard improved a lot under Jose (bar the last season), he even won PFA player of the year playing in Jose's team. You need balance though, you can't have 2 wingers who don't track back especially when one of your midfielder is Fabgreas who is not very good defensively.
 
Revan said:
The second one isn't a rule of him. At Chelsea, for most part Ferreira and Cole played as full backs. At Inter, Madrid and Chelsea he played a CB as right/left back but all three of Chivu, Ramos and Ivanovic had played there a long time before Mourinho became their manager. And well, Ramos played as CB plenty of time for Madrid during Mourinho's spell.

I don't think that we will play a CB in right back position. Both Darmian and Shaw are taller than most of full backs so we are fine in that aspect.

Not having a ball playing CB is an another matter though, and it is difficult to see Smalling and Bailly doing well together considering that neither is that good at passing. Still hoping that we'll go for another CB, or that Mourinho fancies Blind there like LVG.
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Ramos was moved as CB because Carvalho was injured which means he sort of broke rule 1 for rule 2. He still played Arbeloa whose pretty defensive and tall himself. Its true that he found these players in the team. However its also true that for most of the part Mou encourage the use of CBs in the rear flanks. Mou was never afraid in bringing in new player so the fact that he sticked to them means he liked it.

Darmian is a wingback, Luke Shaw is also a pretty attacking minded fullback. None of them can bring the defensive prowess that an Ivanovic or a Gallas would bring. Also as you said ball playing CBs are part and parcel to Mou's defense. Regarding Blind I cant remember a time when Mou has played a converted midfielder as CB
 
Fer said:
I know we all want players like Pogba, Griezmann...

But what's the most Mourinho has splashed in a player?
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In any case we won't get either. Pogba will go to Spain if anywhere and Griezmann...as I've told you all before, will stay where he is for the foreseeable future and sign an extended bumper pay deal contract.
 
VeevaVee said:
We need depth so not getting rid of loads of obvious people but also improving the key areas makes sense. Just get rid of Phil Jones who only adds depth to the injury list.
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I see it the other way. We need quality starters. We already have the depth, but we've been forced to use our depth in the starting XI. Lingard, Mata, Rojo, Blind, Rooney, Fellaini, etc. are all good enough for squad rotation, but none should be automatic selections in the starting XI.
 
PieCrust said:
I see it the other way. We need quality starters. We already have the depth, but we've been forced to use our depth in the starting XI. Lingard, Mata, Rojo, Blind, Rooney, Fellaini, etc. are all good enough for squad rotation, but none should be automatic selections in the starting XI.
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That's not the other way, that's exactly what I was saying. We need to up the quality of the first team and push those players replaced in to the 'depth'.
 
PieCrust said:
I see it the other way. We need quality starters. We already have the depth, but we've been forced to use our depth in the starting XI. Lingard, Mata, Rojo, Blind, Rooney, Fellaini, etc. are all good enough for squad rotation, but none should be automatic selections in the starting XI.
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Where do you get these quality starters and who are they? Any so-called top player can look like a 'quality starter" for \United when playing for other teams until he comes to join United or any other top club. That adaptation is the key to success or failure as some players struggle to adapt to PL and playing for United.

Some are just decent players who improve and become top quality starters like Evra, Vida etc. There are no guarantees in football especially at United to say with certainity this or that player can be a quality starter
 
Bruno8 said:
Where do you get these quality starters and who are they? Any so-called top player can look like a 'quality starter" for \United when playing for other teams until he comes to join United or any other top club. That adaptation is the key to success or failure as some players struggle to adapt to PL and playing for United.

Some are just decent players who improve and become top quality starters like Evra, Vida etc. There are no guarantees in football especially at United to say with certainity this or that player can be a quality starter
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I can say with certainty that the current roster lacks starting XI quality for a top PL club like United. So should we not sign any replacements because there's no guarantees in football? That seems a weird way to approach it.
 
PieCrust said:
Cheers then, I took the other way.
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I hope Jose sees it that way though. I'm worried he might do the old manager trick of not signing many because they don't want to unbalance the team, as if we're not already a new group of players and struggling anyway. Perfect to tear apart if you ask me :lol:
 
This is what the squad looks like now (Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Henrikh Mkhitaryan both left out)
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The big restriction on PL squads is no more than 17 over 21 foreign players allowed. United now have 14 such. Only 3 more are allowed before we must sell, or loan out one. Anthony Martial is not restricted like this : he's still under 21! Nor is Adnan Januzaj, because he's "home-grown". After adding Zlatan and Mkhitaryan it will have 16 foreign over 21 players. Just 1 below the maximum.

Explanation of who's included above: By the end of last season there were 42 players in the senior squad. Two leave on 30 June and aren't listed. Ashley Fletcher might leave, as he has offers from Championship club(s). The table shown includes the 40 1st-team squaddies from last year, plus those who did well on loan, and Eric Bailly. A lot of these players are likely to go out on loan next season. Far more than last year. For a start : there are more of them : fewer U-21 players seem to have been released than in previous years.

The squad is a bit unbalanced. 5 left-wingers and 1 right winger. 2 lefties are right footed, and can't exactly cross with their left peg very well. Love him or hate them: Adnan/Ashley are probably our best winger/crossers! [I''l be crucified for saying that] I'm not sure I've ever seen any of those left-wingers excel at right-wing. Maybe Adnan or Ashley had a good match there once or twice.

I put TFM at defensive midfield here because he offers something our other DCMs don't : extreme aggression, and robbing possession back. I'm sure Jose will love that.

Now that Rooney's moved to #8 there sure are a lot of #8s at United. Even allowing for the younger ones who'll probably be loaned there are a lot for one position.
 
I expect atleast 4-5 players in and out, but all the "experts" in here who think/wants that Mou get rid of Rooney, will be hugely disappointed.
He will play alot, and i think he will be very good under Mourinho.
Noone was good under LvG, except some of the kids.
 
Bruno8 said:
Jose likes workhorses and is not so fond of creative players.

I can see Martial struggling under Mourinho, he doesnt work too hard, and sometimes gets too casual in his approach. So Martial, Mata, Hererra, Depay, Adnan will need to up their work rate otherwise their creative insticts will not be enough because they wont get the freedom they desire. Look at what happened to Oscar and Hazard at Chelsea

He is not everyone's favourite but Valencia is a hardworker and will fit Jose style. Only problem will be if his technical abilities, or lack of, will be enough to make Jose happy
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I know right, that's why he signed and used players like Hazard, Oscar, Ozil, and Sneijder.
 
El Zoido said:
Martial is too talented to be ignored, his top level is potentially extremely high. I'm not too worried.
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so was de bruynes and everyone knew it. Hopefully he will do the job mourinho needs in a winger, but if he approaches it thinking he is the golden boy and can't be dropped then he will be the first dropped when results start to go against
 
limerickcitykid said:
@Mark Pawelek Schneiderlin is homegrown and what is the point of the English category and then not putting a whole bunch of English players in it?
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  1. Fair point. I did not know that about Schneiderlin.
  2. I thought there was a requirement for a minimum number of home-grown club-raised players to feature. Schneiderlin is homegrown but not club raised. Likewise none of the English players (salmon coloured) are homegrown/club-raised. So I'm distinguishing between (a) home grown and (b) home grown club-raised. The yellow background players are home grown club raised. I admit I got this confused. That's the diff between the yellow and salmon coloured backgrounds. (and Schneiderlin should have salmon background)
 
Mark Pawelek said:
  1. Fair point. I did not know that about Schneiderlin.
  2. I thought there was a requirement for a minimum number of home-grown club-raised players to feature. Schneiderlin is homegrown but not club raised. Likewise none of the English players (salmon coloured) are homegrown/club-raised. So I'm distinguishing between (a) home grown and (b) home grown club-raised. The yellow background players are home grown club raised. I admit I got this confused. That's the diff between the yellow and salmon coloured backgrounds. (and Schneiderlin should have salmon background)
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Yeah, that is what I figured you meant but was just making sure. Club grown players are only required in CL/EL I believe.
 
Not sure where the skepticism over Martial's future under Jose is coming from. He's not having a good tournament but he's only just a kid. Chelsea were in for him but couldn't stump up the fee Monaco wanted. He'll be fine as long as he keeps his head on his shoulders.
 
So we're buying Mkhitaryan (I'm just going to call him Micky from now on) over Mane. I read he was voted players Player of the Year last year in the Bundesliga. That's pretty good, since there can only be one! On that alone, he's probably better right now. Mane is four years younger but he's from Senegal so who the feck knows for sure.
 
I've never rated Mane.
Yes he is fast and certainly better than Mata, when it comes to end product, but that's nothing to get excited about. Our current attackers (Martial, Rashford excepted) are woeful.
Mata scored 6 league goals last season, which is shocking. That's the sort of tally you'd expect from an 18 year old, breaking into the team.
In fact, Rashford scored 5 league goals in considerably fewer minutes.
 
Lentwood said:
I would be very surprised if Mourinho kept Blind, Mata, Herrera and Darmian

We all know that Mourinho likes pace and power but I think any manager would have earmarked those 4 as incapable of playing for a top club in such a physically demanding league

I would love to see a return to a Utd side full of terrible losers and characters who played on the edge. This lot are too nice to really achieve anything
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I know what you mean but Mata was Chelsea poty twice in a row when they won the CL and Europa League.

Hes the one out of that gtoup with real ability. Its a shame mourinho doesn't rate him really.
 
Is anyone else feeling just a little bit jittery about our lack of definite signings so far.
1 deal done only.

I know we are in the middle of a tournament but other teams seem to be doing business alright.
I really have doubts about Woodward's ability to close a deal and rumours abound that Mou is already frustrated with the lack of progress in this area.

Maybe I worry too much and things will turn out well, but I can't rid myself of this niggle.
 
Blood Red Joe said:
Is anyone else feeling just a little bit jittery about our lack of definite signings so far.
1 deal done only.

I know we are in the middle of a tournament but other teams seem to be doing business alright.
I really have doubts about Woodward's ability to close a deal and rumours abound that Mou is already frustrated with the lack of progress in this area.

Maybe I worry too much and things will turn out well, but I can't rid myself of this niggle.
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No, but then I'm not a transfer muppet, I couldn't care less. I just want the team to play better.
 
Blood Red Joe said:
Is anyone else feeling just a little bit jittery about our lack of definite signings so far.
1 deal done only.

I know we are in the middle of a tournament but other teams seem to be doing business alright.
I really have doubts about Woodward's ability to close a deal and rumours abound that Mou is already frustrated with the lack of progress in this area.

Maybe I worry too much and things will turn out well, but I can't rid myself of this niggle.
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Chelsea have none, City have 1, Spurs have 1, Arsenal have 1.
 
Blood Red Joe said:
Is anyone else feeling just a little bit jittery about our lack of definite signings so far.
1 deal done only.

I know we are in the middle of a tournament but other teams seem to be doing business alright.
I really have doubts about Woodward's ability to close a deal and rumours abound that Mou is already frustrated with the lack of progress in this area.

Maybe I worry too much and things will turn out well, but I can't rid myself of this niggle.
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pretty sure we will have 2key signings by at least monday. I am very chill
 
Blood Red Joe said:
Is anyone else feeling just a little bit jittery about our lack of definite signings so far.
1 deal done only.

I know we are in the middle of a tournament but other teams seem to be doing business alright.
I really have doubts about Woodward's ability to close a deal and rumours abound that Mou is already frustrated with the lack of progress in this area.

Maybe I worry too much and things will turn out well, but I can't rid myself of this niggle.
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Relax my man, Zlatan & Mkhi by Monday.
 
Blood Red Joe said:
Is anyone else feeling just a little bit jittery about our lack of definite signings so far.
1 deal done only.

I know we are in the middle of a tournament but other teams seem to be doing business alright.
I really have doubts about Woodward's ability to close a deal and rumours abound that Mou is already frustrated with the lack of progress in this area.

Maybe I worry too much and things will turn out well, but I can't rid myself of this niggle.
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No
 
Blood Red Joe said:
Is anyone else feeling just a little bit jittery about our lack of definite signings so far.
1 deal done only.

I know we are in the middle of a tournament but other teams seem to be doing business alright.
I really have doubts about Woodward's ability to close a deal and rumours abound that Mou is already frustrated with the lack of progress in this area.

Maybe I worry too much and things will turn out well, but I can't rid myself of this niggle.
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What other teams?
 
Woodward will never, ever fill me with confidence that he can do business properly when it's football related so yes I am worried.

Hopefully he fecks off to focus solely on the commercial brand building and we get a competent replacement for the football side of things.
 
RedStarUnited said:
What other teams?
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Well, apart from Limerickcitykids list, you can add the scousers and some of the top clubs in Europe seem to be doing deals now.

But really my point is we have to be realistic in the players we can attract with no C.L. Football to offer them.
It leaves a small pool of talented players that maybe we can attract, but the longer we dither they get picked off by other clubs.

Whatever your opinion is of where the team needs strengthening, we have to act quickly and decisively and imho Woodward's record in that department is not good.
 
Blood Red Joe said:
Well, apart from Limerickcitykids list, you can add the scousers and some of the top clubs in Europe seem to be doing deals now.

But really my point is we have to be realistic in the players we can attract with no C.L. Football to offer them.
It leaves a small pool of talented players that maybe we can attract, but the longer we dither they get picked off by other clubs.

Whatever your opinion is of where the team needs strengthening, we have to act quickly and decisively and imho Woodward's record in that department is not good.
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We have made one signing and I dont think any one else has made more. And by the end of next week we would have done 3, seemingly. Lets see how next week goes.
 
matherto said:
Woodward will never, ever fill me with confidence that he can do business properly when it's football related so yes I am worried.

Hopefully he fecks off to focus solely on the commercial brand building and we get a competent replacement for the football side of things.
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He has been part of the worst management era of a successful dynasty and I still don't trust him, and this club has done a terrible job transitioning from the club's most successful manager. Huge clubs deal and evolve from one successful manager after another, they don't collapse in on itself after one successful manager leaves, they keep up to those levels or look like competing, and united have been like a wild animal failing to adapt to new surroundings and that should not happen since managers come and go one way or another. If Jose is successful, this club must deal when he leaves and not collapse like a pack of cards, like some small club that some how got lucky with one Scottish manager who brought years of success, like some glue keeping the ship from falling apart and that is where you need leaders at board level from top to bottom.
 
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