Julian Nagelsmann | Sacked and replaced by Tuchel

do.ob said:
Mainz played their two best ever Bundesliga seasons under Tuchel.
Dortmund arguably played their best ever league season under Tuchel.
He made the CL final with PSG, when they exited in the ro16 or QF before he took over.

If you apply the same amount of ignorance to Nagelsmann's career, surely he must look much worse?
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Dortmund's best ever season? They finished second :lol:

At PSG he won everything a PSG manager is expected to win with their eyes closed, and nothing more.
 
11101 said:
Dortmund's best ever season? They finished second :lol:

At PSG he won everything a PSG manager is expected to win with their eyes closed, and nothing more.
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But how can you say he was average at Mainz when he took the equivalent of Bournemouth into Europe? What about those performances were average? Stuff like that just makes it seem like you have an agenda and kinda discredits your takes on his performances at all the other clubs.
 
11101 said:
Dortmund's best ever season? They finished second :lol:

At PSG he won everything a PSG manager is expected to win with their eyes closed, and nothing more.
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Because Bayern also played a historic season. If Klopp had to deal with Guardiola he wouldn't have won the league with Dortmund either.

If we want to look at coaches with your "analytical" level, what has Nagelsmann actually achieved?

Won nothing with Leipzig, only won a league with Bayern, but not the cup. Must be a shit coach. ":lol:"
 
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WeePat said:
But how can you say he was average at Mainz when he took the equivalent of Bournemouth into Europe? What about those performances were average? Stuff like that just makes it seem like you have an agenda and kinda discredits your takes on his performances at all the other clubs.
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I'm not saying he's a bad manager but we have people here and in the media listing him alongside Klopp and Guardiola.
 
roonster09 said:
Time for Chelsea fans to step in and explain how it's not?

@WeePat @duffer
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I let that shit slide these days because what is the point in even entertaining a discussion where someone is trying to argue RDM and Tuchel's careers are even remotely similar.
 
11101 said:
Dortmund's best ever season? They finished second :lol:

At PSG he won everything a PSG manager is expected to win with their eyes closed, and nothing more.
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How many managers have reached CL finals with two different teams?

He propelled a newly promoted team into Europe with Mainz. Won all there is with PSG. Played 3 cup finals in the same season with Chelsea.

PSG are less dominant than Bayern in their own league, which begs the question what has Nagelsmann achieved to be ranked above him at this point.
 
11101 said:
I'm not saying he's a bad manager but we have people here and in the media listing him alongside Klopp and Guardiola.
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I don't see anyone doing that anymore. There was a very brief period around the time we won the CL where there was some fanfare around him and one particular thread on here that put him on that pedestal but by and large most people would acknowledge he isn't on that level. Still a damn good coach though and among the best in Europe.
 
Tuchel is an elite manager, he only left us because having some big personal issues that stopped him doing the job properly. Possibly he's still got those issues so will be rubbish at Bayern also.

I'd happily take Nagelsmann in the summer, certainly over Enrique who's Spain team played some of the most sterile dull football ever, last thing we need. If we get Nagelsmann, sell about 10 players and bring in some goal scorers pretty confident we can challenge at the top again next season.
 
Rnd898 said:
Tuchel, Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Van Gaal, and Heynckes.

Maybe I'm missing someone from the 90s?
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So not a bad company then.

Fergie also reached it in 08/09 when we won against Chelsea and lost to Barca
 
Dominos said:
Hitzfeld.
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Yep, went on a Wikipedia dive and realized I missed him but then again I was six years old when he won it for Dortmund. :lol:

That should be all if we only include the UCL years and not the European Cup that came before, right?

Enigma_87 said:
Fergie also reached it in 08/09 when we won against Chelsea and lost to Barca
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Fergie also won in 99.

If we include managers who have reached the final a minimum of two times with the same club, the list grows by many more names including most recently Zidane and Simeone in the last decade as welll as Benitez, Del Bosque, Capello, Cruyff, Lippi and probably some others too in the 90s / 00s but not bothered to dig deeper. All good managers though.

edit: Allegri for Juve as well in 2015 and 2017.
 
Mb194dc said:
Tuchel is an elite manager, he only left us because having some big personal issues that stopped him doing the job properly. Possibly he's still got those issues so will be rubbish at Bayern also.

I'd happily take Nagelsmann in the summer, certainly over Enrique who's Spain team played some of the most sterile dull football ever, last thing we need. If we get Nagelsmann, sell about 10 players and bring in some goal scorers pretty confident we can challenge at the top again next season.
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I'd wait with Nagelsmann until he has refined his system a bit. The way his teams set up to play I think he'd have problems in the EPL. They lose control far too often and are caught on the wrong foot too regularly. Nagelsmann's idea is to win the ball back quickly through gegenpressing and relies on quite physical players for that but since the EPL is more athletic and he was already struggling with this at Bayern, I don't think this is a sustainably successfull approach. Probably needs to mature a bit and be less idealistic. Try to control games to a higher extent and instruct your players to play it saver, have a formation that pays attention to covering counter attacks, etc. Guardiola and Klopp are where they are because they improved their initial systems accordingly. Not sure Nagelsmann is there already.
 
Mb194dc said:
Tuchel is an elite manager, he only left us because having some big personal issues that stopped him doing the job properly. Possibly he's still got those issues so will be rubbish at Bayern also.

I'd happily take Nagelsmann in the summer, certainly over Enrique who's Spain team played some of the most sterile dull football ever, last thing we need. If we get Nagelsmann, sell about 10 players and bring in some goal scorers pretty confident we can challenge at the top again next season.
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Easy as that.
 
Rnd898 said:
If we include managers who have reached the final a minimum of two times with the same club, the list grows by many more names including most recently Zidane and Simeone in the last decade as welll as Benitez, Del Bosque, Capello, Cruyff, Lippi and probably some others too in the 90s / 00s but not bothered to dig deeper. All good managers though.

edit: Allegri for Juve as well in 2015 and 2017.
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Héctor Cúper (two finals in a row with Valencia)
 
Naggelsmann stock probably increased after yesterdays result
 
I've given Tuchel a lot of flack, but his setup against City was very good, bordering on excellent. Let down by Dayot in the second half. May have had more success if he decided to overload the wings, but that would have let City dominate the middle. Pick your poison kind of thing.

I don't think this kind of demonstration was beyond Nagelsmann's capabilities, mind.
 


Should be next PSG's coach according to L'equipe, with Thierry Henry as assistant coach.
 
 
Plenty of time for snowboarding and to manage the national team...
 
Euro 2024 at home. Not a bad gig before taking another club side.
 
Look forward to playing an attacking 3-4-3 away at City
 
Probably bull, but have many managers left the national job to join a club side? Don Revie comes to mind...
 
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