Well played Klopp, about time a few more managers called out the idiots of the press for the complete and utter twats that they are, with their inane questions and deliberate baiting.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Well played Klopp, about time a few more managers called out the idiots of the press for the complete and utter twats that they are, with their inane questions and deliberate baiting.
In all seriousness here, wasn' this more like....a light hearted joke? I've watched the post match interview (which I guessed none of your did), he praised Plymouth and dropped a few jokes about his team and the opponent also in his post match presser.
The blind hate around here is amazing, you are not even interested in the truth aren't you?
Good example how someone like Trump could get elected. If something fits your narrative, just go with it, feck the facts!
He's relaxed, he's laughing.
But no, because he's a Liverpool manager, he must be an evil twat!
Well you're right I'm not interested in the truth, not when it comes to a liverpool manager. Coz many on here wanted Klopp to be man utd manager. He's probably not an evil twat in fairness but he's definitely not as lovable as people make him out to be. In fact I get the feeling that he's probably more arrogant than Mourinho ever was in his hey day.
I don't know if apart from Bayern (i'm guessing) you also support liverpool but at least for me as a hard core man utd fan, klopp is the enemy. I will forever dislike him, criticize and laugh at him every chance I get. The truth is irrelevant.
As someone who followed his whole coaching career quite closely, it is actually quite fascinating reading about "taking on Liverpool´s bitterness", "becoming classless" or "losing the plot". You don´t have to like Klopp, as a personality he is simply too polarizing and extreme in some aspects to be universally well liked. However, if someone wants a good example of how important perceiption is, he just needs to follow the general climate towards Klopp in this forum.
When Klopp was still our coach, he could have been only be described as a Caf darling. Criticism was fairly low and he was lauded for his passion, emotionality, humour and ability to verbally connect with fans. The moment he took on the wrong red, these attributes were turned on it´s head and used against him:
- passion -> sore loser, lack of class
- emotional -> manic, unhinged
- humour -> attempt to butter up the media, insulting to the opposition (the Plymouth example fits perfectly here)
- connection to fans -> creating a cult following around him
Makes you wonder if they took Klopp and replaced him with a clone or host, right? There has actually not happened that much. He only changed his club from a likeable foreign club to a rival.
The job at Liverpool did not change his personality. As of yet, he did not do a single thing which he either did not do at Dortmund or would have looked out of place there. What changed for most on here (there were also people who liked/disliked him at Dortmund and continued to do so, but this is the minority) is just their relationship to him.
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Why, because United are outside the top 5 in January?
First of all, that's sad. He had his antiques when he was at Dortmund already and I called him out for that. But that's on the pitch. In his interviews, he's generally likeable, funny and sometimes eager to call out the press on their bullshit. I can acknowledge that.
An nope, I'm not supporting Liverpool, not interested in them. You could say at most I've got an "interest" in United as I won't ever be able to support two clubs. And this interest only awakened when things got interesting, eg. post Fergie. I followed the club, I saw the parallels to what happened at my club, I liked the forum and the atmosphere in it and I stayed.
Ah yes, but we see more of him now & can therefore form a much more realistic assessment of him,
.I'm loathe to cut United fans a break on this because there's a fair bit of truth in what you say and I think his twatishness definitely gets over-stated at times on here, but the only headlines Klopp used to make over here in England when he was manager of Dortmund was when he said something funny or witty, and as such we were conditioned to think he was a 100% likeable bloke. It's only now that he has taken over as manager of an English football team that we realise that's not always the case and he is indeed capable of being a bell end at times. One incident that distinctly sticks in my mind was last season when they were away at Norwich. When Norwich equalised in injury time to make it 4-4, Klopp was on the touchline gobbing off about the amount of injury time that had been played. A minute later he turned full circle as Liverpool made it 5-4 and all of a sudden he wasn't complaining about that at all.
Because your fan base is precious once more.
You've won one trophy in 10 years.
Not really solid ground to mock our recent struggles.
In all seriousness here, wasn' this more like....a light hearted joke? I've watched the post match interview (which I guessed none of your did), he praised Plymouth and dropped a few jokes about his team and the opponent also in his post match presser.
The blind hate around here is amazing, you are not even interested in the truth aren't you?
Good example how someone like Trump could get elected. If something fits your narrative, just go with it, feck the facts!
He's relaxed, he's laughing.
But no, because he's a Liverpool manager, he must be an evil twat!
So if I call someone a cnut, but I laugh when I say it, it's ok?
You sure? Because on the last two pages in this very thread an incident in the game vs. Napoli on the International stage, which went viral on this forum when it happened, was used to prove the point of Klopp losing it.
I don´t buy that nobody knew how Klopp was as person before coming to Liverpool. For that he was too famous as coach already and too long in the medial eye.
If your friend get's the best of you on the pitch, and you do that afterwards, is it in all instances a grave insult?
Don't be stupid. Such a BS argument, this is clearly meant as a pretty light-hearted joke.
But as he called out Lucas' age in the post match presser, I guess those two won't talk to each other now for at least 2 weeks right?
When in Germany, we weren't treated to seeing Klopp on a weekly basis. It all changes when he moves to a league we all follow every day.
Though in essence, I'll go back to liking Klopp much more when he leaves Liverpool
If your friend get's the best of you on the pitch, and you do that afterwards, is it in all instances a grave insult?
Don't be stupid. Such a BS argument, this is clearly meant as a pretty light-hearted joke.
But as he called out Lucas' age in the post match presser, I guess those two won't talk to each other now for at least 2 weeks right?
A light hearted joke which he knew full well the point he wanted to get across.
This. Their mediocre squad is currently pushing way above their weight and station and all of the sudden they are in here mocking United like we are the ones never having won the Premiership.
Their club and many others will regret not taking advantage of the slump we've had the last three years, it won't last forever.
Still like him, he's a well rounded man, and as a Liverpool manager that's a shame.
This really is a dull thread and just turned into Klopp / Jose bashing, who is nicer, etc etc.
Who cares.
Who cares.
Based on what?
Manager, size of the club, money, set of players, recent evidence.
Really? We've clearly got a good manager now and we have been improving. He's also brought in 4 top class players and it seems like we are going to continue spending big
I don´t even see why the replay is a problem. Just take the full B squad, work on breaking down a defense in practice and us the same kind of tactics. You most likely win and all the players, who have been injured for so long get another game. Where is Grujic btw?
What if some fans didn't like him at all at Dortmund and like him even less now that he's at Liverpool
?All I am saying is you can't presume our slump won't continue for seasons to come, we aren't even guaranteed to finish in the top 4, which makes missing out on the CL a distinct reality - we can't keep doing that and attracting / keeping the best players.
That exact post could have been written by a Liverpool fan in the early 90's.
The simple fact is he now manages Liverpool - that gives every Utd fan enough of a reason to "hate" him. Logic doesn't play a part here. The same thing is true when it comes to LFC fans and Utd managers. We're all tribal feckers and we all love to "hate".
The difference is that LFC fans were lucky in that we didn't have to change our opinion about Mourinho (or Moyes for that matter), whereas Utd fans suddenly found themselves having to "hate" a manager that many had once liked and even hoped would one day manage them.
The difference is that LFC fans were lucky in that we didn't have to change our opinion about Mourinho (or Moyes for that matter), whereas Utd fans suddenly found themselves having to "hate" a manager that many had once liked and even hoped would one day manage them.
I never liked Klopp at Dortmund. His tracksuits, dodgy glasses and gurning face annoys me. He is like a chavvy Deidre Barlow.
And why do Liverpool supporters always worship their manager like some kind of cult leader? Have they walked the streets of Merseyside holding his portrait yet?
And why do Liverpool supporters always worship their manager like some kind of cult leader? Have they walked the streets of Merseyside holding his portrait yet?
What if some fans didn't like him at all at Dortmund and like him even less now that he's at Liverpool
No problem in that (I wrote as much in my initial post). Like I said, disliking him is perfectly valid. It is the notion that he somehow changed by taking the Liverpool job that I disagree with.
Recent evidence shows you in 6th place ... one place lower than you finished last season.
I don´t even see why the replay is a problem. Just take the full B squad, work on breaking down a defense in practice and us the same kind of tactics. You most likely win and all the players, who have been injured for so long get another game. Where is Grujic btw?
Grujic was injured, he's back in training now, will probably feature in return leg against Plymouth.
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But actually an important part of a protest against the cancerous ownership that was trying to oust Rafa despite strong performance from his players.The rafatollah was hilarious
If you believe this I presume you're in admiration of what Klopp has achieved with his set of plodders.
I don't think it started out that way - iirc it began early in their ownership, before it became clear what a couple of cnuts they were. Did it (the rafatollah) not just start out as a bit of fun?
Nice how the thread title is overblowing his little joke even more, making it seem he actually had said that number.
And here is Glaston, mentioning United's position in yet another thread.
Next topic: United finance.
As a Bayern fan I have to say Klopp is more likeable as a Liverpool coach than as a Dortmund coach...
Funny how now the United fans react just in the same way as the fans in the official Bayern forum do about Klopp. And actually until now I haven't seen him packing out all that underclass rhetoric about David against Goliath etc. that he did when he was in Dortmund.
The media in England reacts the same way like the ones in Germany did and still do. I do not think that they until now blame him for any shortcomings of Dortmund even in 14/15 when they were in the relegation ranks for a very long time.
Funny how now the United fans react just in the same way as the fans in the official Bayern forum do about Klopp. And actually until now I haven't seen him packing out all that underclass rhetoric about David against Goliath etc. that he did when he was in Dortmund.
The media in England reacts the same way like the ones in Germany did and still do. I do not think that they until now blame him for any shortcomings of Dortmund even in 14/15 when they were in the relegation ranks for a very long time.
Even despite our slump, we've finished above Liverpool 2 out of the 3 year slump.
Spot on. Makes me laugh this place. Klopp is a top manager and had we been offered the chance of him here after Fergie, a lot of fans would have been thrilled.
The biggest joke is the very obvious fact that loads of fans who'll be well behind Jose Mourinho now hated him before he was here, criticising his personality and the way he behaved in going about his job. A good deal of fans didn't want him here at the time Fergie left because of that, suggesting he wasn't united material because he lacked class.
And Fergie was a sore loser, tried to influence refs, lost his rag with players and staff at times and often (in my opinion) lacked class in terms of comments he made regarding opposing managers, referees and the press. And you know what - I still loved him because he was honest, passionate and above all successful.
To take those four points above, there is nothing wrong with being passionate, emotional, engaging with the press and popular with the fans. He's a breath of fresh air to watch on TV and frankly, I find him quite a likeable bloke.
If people want to hate him because they hate Liverpool then that's their prerogative, but at least be honest about it.