Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

[Djemba-Djemba]

It's a reasonable question to ask but I think it shows the difference in mentality at Liverpool and Utd.

3 years at Utd without a trophy and you'd be under severe pressure no matter how exciting the football was. There'd be talk of failing to get over the line, failing to get the job done etc. Especially with losing 3 finals in a row.

I think Liverpool fans are almost used to not winning anything anymore, I mean other than a good 2 or 3 years under Houllier and the early reign of Benitez Liverpool haven't been winning stuff regularly for decades, so Klopp is given a lot more leeway.

I mean we've had plenty of Liverpool fans on here arguing Klopp doesn't have to win a trophy this season, which seems baffling to me but there you go.

 

[breakout67]

I was kidding. That’s fair enough and ultimately managers have to be judged on what they win.

I brought it up because I was interested in how important playing nice football was to United fans. It seems that a fair few on here are frustrated with the lack of a style of play.

I think it's a pointless question regarding United (and now Liverpool with their spending). When you spend a lot of money there should be no choice.

I expect Mourinho to have us like his Chlesea or Madrid teams. They won't be free flowing all the time, but they can be bloody entertaining when they turn things on.

 

[haram]

Whether you’re leaking goals or not is irrelevant.

But it isn’t. This is why you are not winning.

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

It's a reasonable question to ask but I think it shows the difference in mentality at Liverpool and Utd.

3 years at Utd without a trophy and you'd be under severe pressure no matter how exciting the football was. There'd be talk of failing to get over the line, failing to get the job done etc. Especially with losing 3 finals in a row.

I think Liverpool fans are almost used to not winning anything anymore, I mean other than a good 2 or 3 years under Houllier and the early reign of Benitez Liverpool haven't been winning stuff regularly for decades, so Klopp is given a lot more leeway.

I mean we've had plenty of Liverpool fans on here arguing Klopp doesn't have to win a trophy this season, which seems baffling to me but there you go.

Klopp came into a broken Liverpool with a terrible squad and a recent history of mid table finishes. Apologies that we haven't lynched him publicly for completely rebuilding the playing squad and re-establishing the club in the CL.

 

[RedCurry]

I’ve done nothing of the sort. I’m simply asking if you’d give up the trophies for a better brand of football. It’s about your opinion, not being right or wrong.

Don’t be so defensive.

I’ll take a shot. I’d take better football over the league cup. But Europa was sweet since we had never won that trophy before and it got us CL qualification. Also, it’s a decent trophy in itself. Of course, a team of United stature should never have to choose between the style and trophies.

 

[Snow]

Then just bloody say that. It's a discussion forum for a reason nobody put a gun to your head.

Then why dismiss the disccussion?

 

[cyberman]

Why would the board sanction such a spending spree if Klopp wasn't under pressure to start winning soon?
They would just Newcastle / Spurs it and that be that.

 

[Hazza83]

Why would the board sanction such a spending spree if Klopp wasn't under pressure to start winning soon?
They would just Newcastle / Spurs it and that be that.

No doubt Klopp is under some pressure to win. But all vested parties realise the club has come very long way since he has come in, which is why nobody feels the need to set some sort of ultimatum for him. A trophy or two this season would be great. We all want one. But if it doesn’t happen, as it didn’t happen last season, the journey as a Liverpool fan was incredibly enjoyable. And we look forward to trying to win a trophy the following season. I suppose that is the benefit of playing entertaining football. Even if you don’t win that year, fans don’t feel like they have been short changed. So much feel good factor around Liverpool since Klopp’s arrival.

 

[B20]

Why would the board sanction such a spending spree if Klopp wasn't under pressure to start winning soon?
They would just Newcastle / Spurs it and that be that.

I think FSG are convinced Klopp is the best man for the job regardless of whether we win anything this season. They love him and was basically their ideal manager from the outset

 

[B20]

It's a reasonable question to ask but I think it shows the difference in mentality at Liverpool and Utd.

3 years at Utd without a trophy and you'd be under severe pressure no matter how exciting the football was. There'd be talk of failing to get over the line, failing to get the job done etc. Especially with losing 3 finals in a row.

I think Liverpool fans are almost used to not winning anything anymore, I mean other than a good 2 or 3 years under Houllier and the early reign of Benitez Liverpool haven't been winning stuff regularly for decades, so Klopp is given a lot more leeway.

I mean we've had plenty of Liverpool fans on here arguing Klopp doesn't have to win a trophy this season, which seems baffling to me but there you go.

It's because we know that Klopp is the best we can get either way. We all saw what happened when we fired benitez on the blithe assumption that a change of manager would improve things without checking if there were better managers around.

 

[KM]

Klopp came into a broken Liverpool with a terrible squad and a recent history of mid table finishes. Apologies that we haven't lynched him publicly for completely rebuilding the playing squad and re-establishing the club in the CL.

As opposed to Mourinho who had came into United after the previous three seasons being excellent?

 

[Catt]

He has to start winning them trophies, no doubt about it.

 

[Roosney]

Here's a question for you. Would you swap the Europa League and League Cup that you've won under Mourinho for an exciting brand of football that you love watching each week?

I'm not asking if you'd swap winning things altogether, only if you'd swap the two trophies that you've won so far under Jose.

No, since seeing you lot turn into nutters for not winning trophies year after year.

I do realize our style of play is sometimes absolute dross but winning things is the most important thing in professional football.

 

[GaryLifo]

Klopp took over a squad who had finished 2nd under Rogers a couple of seasons prior basically playing almost the exact same system that klopp plays.

So he took on players who didn't need to adapt much.

Jose took on the LVG sideways gang who had previously been part of the Moyes cross-fest bonanza system.

That's the difference!

 

[Wumminator]

Klopp took over a squad who had finished 2nd under Rogers a couple of seasons prior basically playing almost the exact same system that klopp plays.

So he took on players who didn't need to adapt much.

Jose took on the LVG sideways gang who had previously been part of the Moyes cross-fest bonanza system.

That's the difference!

We’d just won the FA Cup and Liverpool had lost Gerrard and Suarez.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Klopp came into a broken Liverpool with a terrible squad and a recent history of mid table finishes. Apologies that we haven't lynched him publicly for completely rebuilding the playing squad and re-establishing the club in the CL.

None of that goes against anything I said. And lets not pretend Mourinho took over a brilliant situation at Utd. The 3 seasons before Klopp you'd finished 7th, 2nd and 6th and the three seasons before Mourinho we'd finished 7th, 4th and 5th. Not much difference there really.

A Utd manager going into his 4th season without a trophy, and after spending hundreds of millions, would be under incredible pressure regardless of how many goals we scored over a season.

 

[TheReligion]

Here's a question for you. Would you swap the Europa League and League Cup that you've won under Mourinho for an exciting brand of football that you love watching each week?

I'm not asking if you'd swap winning things altogether, only if you'd swap the two trophies that you've won so far under Jose.

No

 

[B20]

None of that goes against anything I said. And lets not pretend Mourinho took over a brilliant situation at Utd. The 3 seasons before Klopp you'd finished 7th, 2nd and 6th and the three seasons before Mourinho we'd finished 7th, 4th and 5th. Not much difference there really.

A Utd manager going into his 4th season without a trophy, and after spending hundreds of millions, would be under incredible pressure regardless of how many goals we scored over a season.

I am not really sure what the point of this kind of argument is. So what? As far as I am concerned, I think it is only good that Klopp can work without the kind of antagonism Mourinho has to deal with from the fanbase. I dont think the impatience and level of criticism hes facing is anything but counterproductive for what he is trying to achieve.

I guess you score a point in the "our expectations are higher than yours" billy big bollocks competition, but I am quite happy that we are a club with ferocious support for a manager we know is the best we can get and doing the best job we can hope for at this point in time.

 

[Thisistheone]

Klopp came into a broken Liverpool with a terrible squad and a recent history of mid table finishes. Apologies that we haven't lynched him publicly for completely rebuilding the playing squad and re-establishing the club in the CL.

Agree, its been a steady, enjoyable journey for you I imagine. But this season must feel like the one where the end result is what counts?

You need to either win or push City all the way in the league. It's another great opportunity for you similar to 2013/14. We don't look quite right, Chelsea and Arsenal have new managers, Spurs aren't buying anyone. Just leaves City who almost certainly won't match last season's heights. & we know how tough it is to retain the PL. No one has done it since Fergie - 2008/09

Meanwhile everything Klopp has worked on these last 3 years is coming to fruition.

 

[Member 90887]

Jose 's comment on Liverpool and their spending.

Jose Mourinho says Jurgen Klopp's change in transfer policy at Liverpool is 'funny'

"I think if you have the money, if you invest well, it is better than to have it in the bank. Because the interest rates are very low," Mourinho said.

"The problem is you have to invest well and honestly I think they did very well, because every player they bought are quality players. I'm happy for them.

"And I'm also happy to smile [about Klopp's previous comments] and to see that, you know, you can change your opinion and change as a person, it's funny.

"That's okay, but maybe this season finally you demand that they win. I think you have to be fair and now you have to demand [they win the league].

"You have to say the team, with the investments not just this season, last season, that you made in January, that you make now, because that will probably be the record for the Premier League this season, I can't see anyone else getting close to spending what they have.

"A team that was a finalist in the Champions League, you have to say you are a big candidate, you have to win."

Link to the article: http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ange-in-transfer-policy-at-liverpool-is-funny

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Jose 's comment on Liverpool and their spending.

He sure loves to underline other teams' supposed targets, just to make it clear how impossible his job is. See also 13/14 and the two horse, small horse bullshit.

 

[roonster09]

He sure loves to underline other teams' supposed targets, just to make it clear how impossible his job is. See also 13/14 and the two horse, small horse bullshit.

What he said is spot in. Klopp changed his opinion on spending and also teams that spend big should have expectations. He made sure media highlights that.

 

[KM]

He sure loves to underline other teams' supposed targets, just to make it clear how impossible his job is. See also 13/14 and the two horse, small horse bullshit.

Wait..what? How on earth did you even reach that conclusion? People tend to look a lot more into Jose's comments for some reason, for the mythical "mind" games.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

I am not really sure what the point of this kind of argument is. So what? As far as I am concerned, I think it is only good that Klopp can work without the kind of antagonism Mourinho has to deal with from the fanbase. I dont think the impatience and level of criticism hes facing is anything but counterproductive for what he is trying to achieve.

I guess you score a point in the "our expectations are higher than yours" billy big bollocks competition, but I am quite happy that we are a club with ferocious support for a manager we know is the best we can get and doing the best job we can hope for at this point in time.

The question was asked would we swap our two recent trophies for exciting football. That's what I was replying to.

 

[JDoe]

None of that goes against anything I said. And lets not pretend Mourinho took over a brilliant situation at Utd. The 3 seasons before Klopp you'd finished 7th, 2nd and 6th and the three seasons before Mourinho we'd finished 7th, 4th and 5th. Not much difference there really.

A Utd manager going into his 4th season without a trophy, and after spending hundreds of millions, would be under incredible pressure regardless of how many goals we scored over a season.

It's not his 4th season where he spent much though. It's the first season where they have actually invested a lot of cash without losing star plaxyers, and still there are two teams (City and United) that have invested more. I think the next season is where pressure will be high and they are expected to win or challenge heavily for the title, given they do not lose any important players and invest another 50-100m or so.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

What he said is spot in. Klopp changed his opinion on spending and also teams that spend big should have expectations. He made sure media highlights that.

It is spot on, I didn't say it's not, but it all feels a bit redundant.

Wait..what? How on earth did you even reach that conclusion? People tend to look a lot more into Jose's comments for some reason, for the mythical "mind" games.

Well, this is exactly that though, mind games. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[redman5]

None of that goes against anything I said. And lets not pretend Mourinho took over a brilliant situation at Utd. The 3 seasons before Klopp you'd finished 7th, 2nd and 6th and the three seasons before Mourinho we'd finished 7th, 4th and 5th. Not much difference there really.

A Utd manager going into his 4th season without a trophy, and after spending hundreds of millions, would be under incredible pressure regardless of how many goals we scored over a season.

So what happens then if both sides end the season without a trophy but Liverpool do better in the league - finish 2nd to City for example - would Jose's 2 trophies already won mean he'd be under less pressure than Klopp ? I personally don't think it would. After all, LVG was sacked 2 days after winning the FA Cup with United. So winning silverware is great for us fans, but in the grand scheme of things, those who pull the strings at our respective clubs obviously have different priorities. The pressure on both managers will come from on how both perform in the league. Your previous manager is living testimony to that fact.

 

[roonster09]

It is spot on, I didn't say it's not, but it all feels a bit redundant.


Well, this is exactly that though, mind games. Nothing more and nothing less.

Mind games? No wonder that word is still used.

It's not redundant, Klopp talked nonsense and was asked about it.

 

[redman5]

Mind games? No wonder that word is still used.

It's not redundant, Klopp talked nonsense and was asked about it.

& Jose said he's happy for us & our new signings. So both managers talk bollocks. Big deal.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Mind games? No wonder that word is still used.

It's not redundant, Klopp talked nonsense and was asked about it.

Klopp has already admitted that he changed his opinion though. He talks a lot of shite but changing your opinion on a subject after 2 years seems relatively okay to me.

 

[roonster09]

& Jose said he's happy for us & our new signings. So both managers talk bollocks. Big deal.

Yeah, one guy was made to look like an idiot and it wasn't Jose.

 

[roonster09]

Klopp has already admitted that he changed his opinion though. He talks a lot of shite but changing your opinion on a subject after 2 years seems relatively okay to me.

So what? So if Klopp admitted he changed his opinion means when Jose was asked the questioned, he should have google searched Klopp's recent interview? He gave his opinion on Klopp's interview.

What Jose said isn't even controversial, he said Klopp changed his opinion and also there should be expectations on Liverpool from media as they spent big, just like it was on ManUtd.

 

[KM]

& Jose said he's happy for us & our new signings. So both managers talk bollocks. Big deal.

He also said that you've signed very good players. So maybe yeah both managers talk bollocks

 

[RobinLFC]

So what? So if Klopp admitted he changed his opinion means when Jose was asked the questioned, he should have google searched Klopp's recent interview? He gave his opinion on Klopp's interview.

What Jose said isn't even controversial, he said Klopp changed his opinion and also there should be expectations on Liverpool from media as they spent big, just like it was on ManUtd.

Not that I care one bit what Mourinho says or thinks about Liverpool, if it was the other way around people on here would be outraged because Klopp was commenting on another club and not minding his own business.

I think you have to be fair and now you have to demand [they win the league].

This is obviously a load of bullshit as well. We finished miles off City last season, who strenghtened themselves significantly as well, and whilst we got two great new additions in midfield but also lost two important midfielders in Can and Oxlade-Chamberlain. So he's basically suggesting that a sub (Shaqiri) and GK (Alisson) should win us the league this time, seeing us close a 20+ point gap with City compared to last season.

We needed to spend (a lot of) cash to even remotely close the gap that was there between us and the rest of the top 6 before Klopp arrived, yet people are already demanding now that we should not only close the gap but overtake each and every one of them as well, not to mention that all of those teams apart from maybe Arsenal are stronger now than they were when Klopp arrived. Some people just fail to be happy with 'progress' and will always demand instant success - fair enough but that's simply not how it works, and luckily there are enough Liverpool fans who recognize that and fully support Klopp in what he's slowly trying to build at the club. I wouldn't want any other manager in charge of us.

 

[Kapardin]

Not that I care one bit what Mourinho says or thinks about Liverpool, if it was the other way around people on here would be outraged because Klopp was commenting on another club and not minding his own business.

It was Klopp who started it by commenting on Pogba. That's why Jose is commenting on Liverpool's business now. Nothing wrong in Klopp contradicting his previous stance, but it was the dig at Pogba and United that we focused on.

The old Jose would be far more sharp-tongued, but nowadays he's trying to cultivate the "Mr Nice Guy" image, so he took a more gentler and subtle dig at Klopp saying the expectation should be to win the league as well.

This is obviously a load of bullshit as well. We finished miles off City last season, who strenghtened themselves significantly as well, and whilst we got two great new additions in midfield but also lost two important midfielders in Can and Oxlade-Chamberlain. So he's basically suggesting that a sub (Shaqiri) and GK (Alisson) should win us the league this time, seeing us close a 20+ point gap with City compared to last season.

You have Keita and Fabinho and Shaqiri is good squad depth. A class GK as well, and Lovren-VvD partnership has been promising. This on top of an attack that scores goals for fun. No reason why you shouldn't be considered second favorites and the pressure shouldn't be on Klopp to win the title.

 

[roonster09]

Not that I care one bit what Mourinho says or thinks about Liverpool, if it was the other way around people on here would be outraged because Klopp was commenting on another club and not minding his own business.

Well that's nonsense. People here go at Klopp when he moans about ManUtd, not when he talks about ManUtd. He more often than not, talks rubbish about ManUtd.

This is obviously a load of bullshit as well. We finished miles off City last season, who strenghtened themselves significantly as well, and whilst we got two great new additions in midfield but also lost two important midfielders in Can and Oxlade-Chamberlain. So he's basically suggesting that a sub (Shaqiri) and GK (Alisson) should win us the league this time, seeing us close a 20+ point gap with City compared to last season.

Wow, so we have ignore the record CB signing in Jan, just because he wasn't signed in June/july? You have added Keita, Fabinho, Alisson, VVD since last summer.

Btw at what point there should be any expectations on Liverpool?

Well when we finished 6th and signed Lukaku to replace injured Zlatan, 29 year old Matic and Lindelof, expectations weren't any lower.

 

[RobinLFC]

It was Klopp who started it by commenting on Pogba. That's why Jose is commenting on Liverpool's business now. Nothing wrong in Klopp contradicting his previous stance, but it was the dig at Pogba and United that we focused on.

The old Jose would be far more sharp-tongued, but nowadays he's trying to cultivate the "Mr Nice Guy" image, so he took a more gentler and subtle dig at Klopp saying the expectation should be to win the league as well.


You have Keita and Fabinho and Shaqiri is good squad depth. A class GK as well, and Lovren-VvD partnership has been promising. This on top of an attack that scores goals for fun. No reason why you shouldn't be considered second favorites and the pressure shouldn't be on Klopp to win the title.

"It was Klopp who started it" ffs how old are you? Like I said, Mourinho can say whatever he wants about us, he's a miserable sod and I don't pay any attention to whatever he says about Liverpool.

Being "second favorites" doesn't add up to the narrative that anything but a league title would be a huge failure which a lot of you are proclaiming on here. Oh and our squad depth is still pretty horrible, whichever way you look at it.

 

[DonnieDarko]

We should not demand the league title, neither should Utd. This looks like you've finally upgraded your old Jag for an Aston Martin DB11 and all your neighbours think that since you've spent much you should win a quarter-mile against that Bugatti Chiron. Not gonna happen unless the Bugatti driver felt asleep.
Let us spend as much as City did without selling our best players, and then someone can demand.

What Klopp did is acknowledged that coaching and scouting talent loses to coaching, scouting talent and a truckload of cash in a long run.

 

[RobinLFC]

Well that's nonsense. People here go at Klopp when he moans about ManUtd, not when he talks about ManUtd. He more often than not, talks rubbish about ManUtd.

Well, it's Mourinho talking rubbish about Liverpool.

Wow, so we have ignore the record CB signing in Jan, just because he wasn't signed in June/july? You have added Keita, Fabinho, Alisson, VVD since last summer.

Btw at what point there should be any expectations on Liverpool?

Well when we finished 6th and signed Lukaku to replace injured Zlatan, 29 year old Matic and Lindelof, expectations weren't any lower.

So up to which point do you want to include transfers? Does Lindelöf count since he was shite last season but had a good WC so he'll feel like a new transfer?

There are expectations. A title challenge or at least being up there with the rest of the pack if City is too good, one/two deep cup runs and continuing to play our exciting style of football. No Liverpool fan should demand/expect that we win the league next season and rightfully so.

 

[roonster09]

Well, it's Mourinho talking rubbish about Liverpool.

He said you signed good players and Klopp changed his opinion, that's rubbish? Or asking media to be fair and follow the same standards?

So up to which point do you want to include transfers? Does Lindelöf count since he was shite last season but had a good WC so he'll feel like a new transfer?

There are expectations. A title challenge, one/two deep cup runs and continuing to play our exciting style of football. No Liverpool fan should demand/expect that we win the league next season and rightfully so.

Well you edited your post and added so many other points on how Liverpool had to close the gap and what not, well same was true for ManUtd, we had to spend to close the gap and when we did the expectations from media was title challenge. Jose said the same thing considering Klopp has spent more than Jose.

Jose didn't say Liverpool fans should demand league title, he said Media should.