Klopp oversells everything. It's all part of his management schtick. He does it very well, too.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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The Super Cup goes straight to the final because there's two teams. You go through the group stage and play multiple knockout games in the UCL because it's a 32-team competition, and the 32 teams has to be brought down to two teams in order for them to contest the final. An English team qualifies for the UCL by finishing top four in the preceding BPL season and an English team qualifies for the UEFA Super Cup by winning the UCL or UEL in the preceding season. Teams aren't just picked from a hat as is the case in friendlies, and you have to achieve something specific to qualify for it the next season. There aren't much difference between the three UEFA club comps except the fact that some are more prestigious than the others.
Bottomline is that the UEFA Super Cup is an official UEFA club comp, and it should be recognized for what it is. There's no shame in celebrating winning it as you'd celebrate winning the most prestigious trophies.
Breathtaking manager. We lost out. Making caf minus Kevin look stupid.
I am happy we won. It's probably the least significant of 'proper' trophies one can win, but not that much less so than the league cup.
I was delighted when we won it in 2001 and happy for it in 05.
In contrast, the only time I've been fussed about winning a charity shield was under rafa against chelsea. And that was basically only because we fielded our reserves, Mourinho played a full strength team and we still beat Chelsea anyway.
I was delighted when we won it in 2001 and happy for it in 05.
In contrast, the only time I've been fussed about winning a charity shield was under rafa against chelsea. And that was basically only because we fielded our reserves, Mourinho played a full strength team and we still beat Chelsea anyway.
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Cheers Michael Owen.
So supercup is better than League cup? If the logic is you have to win CL or Europa league to play in league Cup then Charity shield should be rated higher than League cup and FA Cup.
To win Charity shield, you should win league or FA Cup, or finish 2nd if league champions wins the FA Cup. Doesn't mean it's not very small trophy to win.
I didn't see anyone celebrating "Treble" in 2007-08, 2008-09 and few more seasons when we won CS along with league and domestic trophy.
I think 2008-09 we won quadruple then, League + League Cup + CS + Club world cup.
Apologies, must have read it wrong.
Mourinho classed the Charity shield as a trophy, no one else did.
There is only one treble, and only one quadruple for English clubs. Everyone with half a braincell knows that.Doesn’t mean the Super Cup isn’t a trophy, and I’d class it way ahead the Community Shield.
The Super Cup and The CS are not trophies that mean anything, the games are treated as Glorified friendlies.
Are they nice to win? Yes
Is it devastating if you lose? No
Are they nice to win? Yes
Is it devastating if you lose? No
Doesn’t mean the Super Cup isn’t a trophy, and I’d class it way ahead the Community Shield.
Yeah no one said it's not a trophy.
Wonder which English team won the quadruple.
Its a trophy no doubt but 120 minutes in that heat, if they drop points at Southampton on Saturday then last night will have done more harm than good.
CS yes.
When was the last time a super cup was treated as a glorified friendly though? The only time I can recall teams fielding anything less than their strongest side was Real Madrid in 2016.
You win it, you can claim whatever you want.
In the big scheme though, it’s not as important as any domestic trophy or the Europa and UCL.
Sure. It's the least of the trophies worth counting.
Not sure the league cup is that much more noteworthy though. But that perhaps also speaks to its increasing irrelevance.
The League Cup is significant. Look at the past winners, not much outside the top 5/6
It's subjective of course, but the only times I've given more than two fecks about the league cup were seasons were we had nothing else to play for.
I'd rather 'win' top four. Would still take the FA Cup over that though.
All the time, there is no prize money for winning it. The winner of it doesn't advance to the Club World Cup as that spot is already given to the the CL winner.
I wanted us to win it in 08 and 17 but in the grand scheme of things the defeats meant nothing.
It is the CS of the European Cup winners nothing more.
Let's just end this debate, the charity shield is not even recognised as a competitive fixture. The super cup is.
Having said that it's probably the most irrelevant of all the actual trophies out there. Probably rank it alongside the league cup. (Which I dont mind when we go out every year). Never the less it's still nice to win. An make no mistake about it every team who competes in it, wants to win 100%.
Also I'm sure there was a 9 mil euro prize pool for it. 5 to the winner and 4 to the runner up I'm sure. So to say there is 0 prize pool is just a blatant lie.
Having said that it's probably the most irrelevant of all the actual trophies out there. Probably rank it alongside the league cup. (Which I dont mind when we go out every year). Never the less it's still nice to win. An make no mistake about it every team who competes in it, wants to win 100%.
Also I'm sure there was a 9 mil euro prize pool for it. 5 to the winner and 4 to the runner up I'm sure. So to say there is 0 prize pool is just a blatant lie.
Well it does mean one thing. The trophy tally comparison just went up to 46-45.
Whatever helps you scousers sleep at night... saves the rest of us being robbed.
Well it does mean one thing. The trophy tally comparison just went up to 46-45.
http://www.sportbible.com/football/...t-successful-team-ahead-of-liverpool-20190814
So, they chose to include the one trophy that isn't even recognised as a competitive game, literally a friendly played for charity, as a trophy. Must have been written by a united fan.
thisWhich ever way you want to paint it we're still ahead
No. Counting actual recognised competitive trophies, it's 46-45.
We can also stay safe and just count the two big ones. That brings it to 24-23.
What exactly are you classing a competitive trophies? Name them
There's no black and white answer to it imo
You dont count the Community Shield as a trophy at the end of a season imo, so 16/17 for example we didn't win 3 trophies we won 2. However I see no problem including them when you total up everything a club has won in their history
Ahead of the 2016 FA Community Shield against Manchester United, Leicester City manager Claudio Ranieri asked, "Why do you say this question, a friendly? When is the Community Shield a friendly? Of course we will be at the maximum and Manchester United will be at their maximum.
What goes for the community shield goes for the super cup. Easy. Looserpool fans can say whatever they want.
"Sorry, it’s a pre-season friendly? That’s how you see it in this country? Nobody told me that so far,” Klopp said.
“I don’t know why people play this competition if it means nothing, why don’t we cancel it then?
“I will ask the club exactly how it is, what it will mean in the history of the club.”
What goes for the community shield goes for the super cup. Easy. Looserpool fans can say whatever they want.
"Sorry, it’s a pre-season friendly? That’s how you see it in this country? Nobody told me that so far,” Klopp said.
“I don’t know why people play this competition if it means nothing, why don’t we cancel it then?
“I will ask the club exactly how it is, what it will mean in the history of the club.”
so are we including one match trophies or not Liverpool fans?
Let's have it right, community shield stopped counting as a trophy after United had won more of them than Liverpool.
The ones classed by FIFA/UEFA as competitive games.
The charity/community shield is literally a friendly played for charity. It's no different than the other friendly 'tournaments' hosted during the summer.
edit: turns out that is no longer the case and it is recognised by uefa as a competive game and trophy.
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To me there are four important trophies; Premier league, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup. Europa League is after these for me, as the best teams are not in it, but it counts.
Charity Shields, Super Cups, Club World Cup, are show games for me. Nice to win, as it probably means something for some of the players and fans, but come on.. It is not comparable to the importance if a League Cup. Saturday against Southampton is far more important than yesterday imo.
Charity Shields, Super Cups, Club World Cup, are show games for me. Nice to win, as it probably means something for some of the players and fans, but come on.. It is not comparable to the importance if a League Cup. Saturday against Southampton is far more important than yesterday imo.
Europa League under League cup? Deluded much? Europa League provides clubs the chance to get into top 4. Look at the teams who have won it in the last few years.
But isn't the community shield the supercup equivalent in other countries, in which the league winner faces the cup winner? If yes it should be acknowledged as an official trophy like everywhere else.
I gave you my reasons for looking at it that way. You can have another oponion and it's fine, but no need for the deluded nonsense.
I think this discussion is worth a new thread IMO.
I'd go PL = CL > FA Cup > Europa League > League Cup > Club World Cup > Super Cup > Community Shield
I'd go PL = CL > FA Cup > Europa League > League Cup > Club World Cup > Super Cup > Community Shield