Keane or Berbatov

Always going to pay over the odds for players in the Prem these days but generally you pay for what you get and nothing short of 25mil for a striker will guarentee top quality.

Berbatov is certainly top class and with the movement of players running off him i think he'll fit in brilliantly. His creativity and passing ability will add a totally different dimension. He's also an exellent finisher and is tall and good in the air.

I'm excited by this and think United will be a greatly improved attacking outfit with him on board.
 
One thing's for sure, we wouldn't have paid anything like that kind of money for Berbatov, if the fat Spanish waiter hadn't gone mental and paid an insane amount of money for Keane. As soon as that benchmark was set, Spurs were always going to ask for a stupid fee, for a player who is far, far better than Robbie Keane.

Still, as most have said, we've got the right player to give us the best chances of winning trophies. So what's a few million quid here and there.

I note the only person trying to object is a gooner, who has obviously succumbed to the cult of Wenger, where "success" is defined by the bottom line of your balance sheets, rather than the trophies in your cabinet.
 
Both teams paid way over the odds, but it's been a strange sort of summer to say the least. Player prices were hugely inflated despite the relative lack of movement (until the last couple of days).

In the end both managers went for the player they thought their team needed. I personally think Berbs is going to do us more good than Keane to Liverpool.
 
I dont like the prices that were paid for both players but thats the nature of transfers these days. Robbie Keane is a very good striker who will score goals when he is on form. However Dimitar Berbatov is a genius on the football pitch. When he is motivated to play, he is a sight to behold. That man makes the game look so easy at times.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
One thing's for sure, we wouldn't have paid anything like that kind of money for Berbatov, if the fat Spanish waiter hadn't gone mental and paid an insane amount of money for Keane. As soon as that benchmark was set, Spurs were always going to ask for a stupid fee, for a player who is far, far better than Robbie Keane.

Still, as most have said, we've got the right player to give us the best chances of winning trophies. So what's a few million quid here and there.

I note the only person trying to object is a gooner, who has obviously succumbed to the cult of Wenger, where "success" is defined by the bottom line of your balance sheets, rather than the trophies in your cabinet.
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Good points. If fecking rafa had stayed away from keane we would have Berba a lot earlier and for much lesser money.
 
Which pretty much sums up the difference between United's and Liverpool's transfers, Torres excepted. We normally get one or two of the former in, Liverpool about 5 of the latter.
 
I actually think keane is slightly underrate many people think he is average below average player. He is a good player but berbatov is exceptional and hes a niche in world football today.

You cannot determine exactly if a player is over or underpriced but according to all the information surrounding the berbatov deal its probably the right price considering how much we need him and how much spurs want to keep him. That was the market price for berbatov and this summer we wouldn't have got him for less or more.

Maybe we could have got him for 28 mil if we straight out offered it them when they wanted it. BUT THAT COULD BE ALL PAPER SHITE.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
A really fair point. To think in 1995 we signed Andy Cole, a player who bagged 35 premiership goals the year before, for £7m. That will only get you Fraizer Campbell who is unproven in the PL. You're right we need to forget the old prices and for United to progress we may actually need new investors.
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7m investment, 13 years ago would have yielded 30 million easily if it was invested properly. 30 million sounds about right but we could have got for a little less if it was not for the fans' website misquoting Fergie or whatever the true story is, if we didn't piss Levy off. We would have signed him at least 2 weeks ago.
 
The_Midfielder said:
Which looks like a better deal...

20 million for Keane
or 30 million for the Berbatov..

I know we got the real deal

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: LIVERPOOL:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Depends on what you are used to. You are used to shit on a stick. We are used to the best. You pay your money...
 
Christofaux said:
Why dont you like them?
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Originally beacuse of Ken Bates
More recently because of :
1. Kenyon
2. Essien.
3. Terry
4. Mikel

and because the few Chelsea fans ( my cousins ) I know are totally up there own backside's,
my 12 year old Porsche is better than your new car, my stereo is the best around, you wont have one as good as mine etc etc all that type of crap
Oh and yes we do have electricity and running water in the North
They think anything north of the Watford Gap is the 3rd world
They live in tiny little houses with no garden costing five times
what a reasonable place in the North costs with a decent garden
Its enough reason for me.

OK Im going to the Doctors to get my chip removed
 
Keane's a good player, but when you compare him with Berbatov its like comparing the modern day liverpool against the modern day manutd. One has bucket loads of trophies, the other well..
 
Red Pavan said:
Berbatov is 17-25m Player.

keane is 12-16m Player.

Both Seriously Overpriced.
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They are overpriced, but the problem is that the market has gone silly. £34m for Robinho is equally as ridiculous. Now that City have come into the equation, you can expect prices to get even sillier.
 
Spoonov said:
They are overpriced, but the problem is that the market has gone silly. £34m for Robinho is equally as ridiculous. Now that City have come into the equation, you can expect prices to get even sillier.
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It is not silly anymore, it is the norm. It hit me when I read that Miller went for 12m, that transfer market in England is gonna stay like this for each and every player till Sky bubble is there.
 
Instant Karma said:
Robinho is just 23 and a great talent. Plus City have to overpay as they aren't a big club. Considering all factors, Robinho is less overpriced than Berba or Keane
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Well, not necessarily. Robinho is 24, completely unproven in the premier league (and his physical build/reputation to fall over too easily adds to this) and his lack of consistency makes his price tag very hefty indeed. Whereas with Berbatov, we're buying a proven quality striker in the league who is right now at the peak of his career. There's really minimal risk with this purchase compared to Robinho. They are both overpriced but not as clear cut as it seems.
 
crappycraperson said:
It is not silly anymore, it is the norm. It hit me when I read that Miller went for 12m, that transfer market in England is gonna stay like this for each and every player till Sky bubble is there.
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Miller for £12m is beyond silly. There's too much money in the English game by the looks of it. Although, it's great for Manchester. Surely it'll become the football capital of the world, if it already wasn't.


Instant Karma said:
Robinho is just 23 and a great talent. Plus City have to overpay as they aren't a big club. Considering all factors, Robinho is less overpriced than Berba or Keane
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He's well overpriced. And from what I've seen of him, he isn't really all that special. No doubt Real wouldn't have made him a make shift in a possible Ronaldo deal, had they thought differently.
 
Instant Karma said:
Some of you made similar posts about Torres at the beginning of last season and ended up looking stupid.

Robinho is a bigger talent than either Keane or Berbatov and much younger than either of them.
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He may be a bigger talent in terms of potential, but I doubt he'll ever become the better player. He will undoubtedly move on from City once he proves himself imo. Therefore they'll miss out on his peak years while we'll be getting Berbatov's. Never mind the fact that it's clear Robinho never really wanted to go to Man City, and if he didn't burn his bridges with Calderon et al he'd probably still be there.

He's still very inconsistent and was behind Higuain in the pecking order at the end of last season because of it, can't see that happening to Berbatov.
 
Instant Karma said:
Some of you made similar posts about Torres at the beginning of last season and ended up looking stupid.

Robinho is a bigger talent than either Keane or Berbatov and much younger than either of them.
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And some of us made similar posts about Morientes a few years back and were proved right. So what?

Robinho's biggest problem in Spain was adjusting to the increased physicality and more lenient refereeing, when compared to Brazil. Do you think this bodes well for a career in the Premier League?

Robinho has it all to prove in the Premier League. Both Berbatov and Keane have nothing to prove. The game is littered with fabulously talented young footballers who never fulfilled their promise. Robinho's name might soon be added to that list.

For 34million quid you would expect a guaranteed succes, not someone with potential. He is, by far, the biggest gamble, financially, of the three and, hence, the most over-priced.
 
Bape said:
Well, not necessarily. Robinho is 24, completely unproven in the premier league (and his physical build/reputation to fall over too easily adds to this) and his lack of consistency makes his price tag very hefty indeed.
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The price of a player isn't about whether he falls over easily but about what he can do when he doesn't fall over.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Robinho has it all to prove in the Premier League. Both Berbatov and Keane have nothing to prove. The game is littered with fabulously talented young footballers who never fulfilled their promise. Robinho's name might soon be added to that list.

For 34million quid you would expect a guaranteed succes, not someone with potential. He is, by far, the biggest gamble, financially, of the three and, hence, the most over-priced.
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Its not a much bigger gamble than the one we took on Rooney as an 18 yr old. He wasn't a proven player either.

Plus Berba and Keane have only proven that they are good footballers and definitely not great. They are not going to turn into elite footballers at the age of 28. 30m for Berbatov is definitely overpriced for what he guarantees, its not even a gamble that has a potential for a great return like in the case of Robinho, who is genuinely talented enough to be amongst the top 5 players in the world (if he can fulfill his potential).
 
Instant Karma said:
Its not a much bigger gamble than the one we took on Rooney as an 18 yr old. He wasn't a proven player either.

Plus Berba and Keane have only proven that they are good footballers and definitely not great. They are not going to turn into elite footballers at the age of 28. 30m for Berbatov is definitely overpriced for what he guarantees, its not even a gamble that has a potential for a great return like in the case of Robinho, who is genuinely talented enough to be amongst the top 5 players in the world.
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You sound a bit bitter, IK. I thought your lot were going to get Veloso?
 
Instant Karma said:
Some of you made similar posts about Torres at the beginning of last season and ended up looking stupid.

Robinho is a bigger talent than either Keane or Berbatov and much younger than either of them.
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Robinho is exactly 3 years younger than Berbatov. He's not a youngster anymore and he still has a lot to prove in PL. One of the biggest reasons why Fergie wanted Berbatov is that he has showed he can play in PL and do well in Europe. Btw many rate Berbatov as a great player including Fergie, I'm not really surprised that you don't rate him.
 
Instant Karma said:
Its not a much bigger gamble than the one we took on Rooney as an 18 yr old. He wasn't a proven player either.

Plus Berba and Keane have only proven that they are good footballers and definitely not great. They are not going to turn into elite footballers at the age of 28. 30m for Berbatov is definitely overpriced for what he guarantees, its not even a gamble that has a potential for a great return like in the case of Robinho, who is genuinely talented enough to be amongst the top 5 players in the world (if he can fulfill his potential).
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34 Million Pounds is a fecking big IF.
 
Seriously, though, IK. What happened to the Veloso to Arsenal rumours?

Anyone?
 
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