vidic blood & sand
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It's the way you tell them. Good laugh. Excellent.
Enjoy selling your quince to India.
You're still just sour over brexit.
Get over it!
It's the way you tell them. Good laugh. Excellent.
Enjoy selling your quince to India.
Yeah, let’s cut the Tories some slack because of the nightmare Brexit turned out to be.
Oh wait…
You're still just still sour over brexit.
Get over it!
Ugh. People who argue like that make me want to bang my head against a wall.
I'm taking about you in case it isn't clear.
No, it's great entertainment, so much more to come!
Well I could have fun flicking through the brexit thread in 2016 and chuckle to myself reading about doom we should have experienced, but I don't want to embarrass you.
You're still just sour over brexit.
Get over it!
Well I could have fun flicking through the brexit thread in 2016 and chuckle to myself reading about doom we should have experienced, but I don't want to embarrass you.
And then everyone clapped?Like the 18 year old fool in the local boozer who lectured me about all the ‘carbon we create’ then said i was clueless c**t for pointing out we cant ‘create’ carbon merely transform or transfer it due to the law of mass conservation.
How’s the fishing industry looking?
You only departed properly just over four months ago , going well so far? but as I say so much more to come.
The Tories have marshalled their messages excellently. Also very few people are international trade experts and the impact from Brexit will be a loss of growth rather than an economic downturn. It is much more difficult to be negatively impacted by economic growth which is less than expected than by a recession.
Added to that the pandemic has masked a lot of the issues with Brexit, and has provided a convenient explanation politically for any issues faced over the next couple of years. But that's politics and they are playing the conditions very well. It has been helped by Labour not having a coherent vision yet too.
That's not a question you'd have been expecting to ask five years ago, is it?
Do you want brexit to succeed?
The Tories have marshalled their messages excellently. Also very few people are international trade experts and the impact from Brexit will be a loss of growth rather than an economic downturn. It is much more difficult to be negatively impacted by economic growth which is less than expected than by a recession.
Added to that the pandemic has masked a lot of the issues with Brexit, and has provided a convenient explanation politically for any issues faced over the next couple of years. But that's politics and they are playing the conditions very well. It has been helped by Labour not having a coherent vision yet too.
The question is how can Brexit possibly succeed. Whether I want it or not is immaterial. You cannot drastically damage your trade with your nearest and biggest partners and expect to succeed.
The nonsense about replacing EU trade with Commonwealth countries, the USA and emerging markets is complete tosh and you're slowly finding out that out, look at the India agreement, it's pathetic.
Do you want brexit to succeed?
Yes or no?
It won't succeed. It will be a disaster as I've said all along. Wishing it to happen won't make it happen.
Problem now is how to limit the damage.
That's not a question you'd have been expecting to ask five years ago, is it?
Yes or no?
Because you want it to fail, and you want the UK to pay for pissing you off.This does not compute.
Like the 18 year old fool in the local boozer who lectured me about all the ‘carbon we create’ then said i was clueless c**t for pointing out we cant ‘create’ carbon merely transform or transfer it due to the law of mass conservation.
By your logic, you can't create a car either, you just transform some steel, plastic and rubber into a new form. Do you get CO2 by undertaking certain processes? If so, then you're creating it.
By your logic, you can't create a car either, you just transform some steel, plastic and rubber into a new form. Do you get CO2 by undertaking certain processes? If so, then you're creating it.
Oh look another woke wanker with a counter argument. Just give it a rest.
Have the Tories delivered on one of their key Brexit arguments? I’m a former chef, originally from Cornwall, with a lot of old friends who are either Fishermen themselves or involved some way in the fishing economy. A lot of them on Facebook were very vocal about wanting to leave the EU, not because of tribalism (literally none of them come from Tory backgrounds) but because they genuinely believed that it was the EU that was hampering their industry. They’re now being very vocal about how badly they’ve been sold out and some of them have been asking after labouring work to pay their bills.
So would I have asked that question 5 years ago? Definitely. Because while Brexit might regularly get us all into arguments about the finer details of legal bollocks and legislation we only read about for the first time earlier that morning, the fishing industry is something I have seen first hand and understand intimately. It’s ingrained in the culture of where I grew up to an extent you probably don’t have the first clue about and it’s an absolute fecking shit show and a lot of old friends are likely to lose their livelihoods and see their communities dwindle away and get sold off to AirBnB so they can be left empty for 8 months of the year with nobody left to support the pubs, post offices, doctors, dentists, primary schools and whatever else needs a year round community to survive.
Well thats not creating carbon you’ve transformed existing carbon into carbondioxide.
The FTSE has been rising because of the vaccine boost aside, which has lifted all markets. It's still been the weakest major market by an absolute mile since the Brexit referendum.The FTSE is still climbing nicely regardless, and I'm sure we'll see a review of services in time. The EU needs our financial services.
Oh yeah it's not a 100% sure thing it's just a good indicator. Other factors such as job type, age, race, sex, type of housing, geography etc will also play a big role.Maybe my friends and I are exceptions to the rule, but of those of us who own houses three of us vote Labour and one votes Lib Dem. Of the Labour voters, two of us are reluctant voters and one is Corbyn/Momentum. I don't necessarily think owning property turns you conservative... some of us continue to prefer voting for the good of the whole.
Because you want it to fail, and you want the UK to pay for pissing you off.
The FTSE has been rising because of the vaccine boost aside, which has lifted all markets. It's still been the weakest major market by an absolute mile since the Brexit referendum.
The EU is a major rival to UK financial services and are happily taking billions of pounds worth of business off it.
Amsterdam ousts London as Europe’s top share trading hub
https://www.ft.com/content/3dad4ef3-59e8-437e-8f63-f629a5b7d0aa
Financial services will survive, but we've significantly weakened one of our most important industries and knocked hundreds of millions off UK tax receipts.What's your outlook for UK services?
The only way I'm pissed off is that millions of UK citizens have been conned into this and are still being conned by the liars and charlatans.
On a personal level I guessed Leave would win back in March 2016 so it made me sort out my life and decided to retire early which I did that July. Brilliant, Thank you Brexit.
Well let's see how it looks after 2026. On the fishing side it's not ideal, but long term we've got some negotiating leverage in the agreement.
Financial services will survive, but we've significantly weakened one of our most important industries and knocked hundreds of millions off UK tax receipts.
That's what you hope and think.
I voted to leave, but if remain had won, I would want the UK to prosper within the EU.
I would assume that remainers would want the UK to prosper outside the EU, if not grudgingly.
Boris Johnson has already conceded that this aspect of the deal is not good enough, which brings us back to the original point about how well the conservatives are doing.
that’s politics. It’s playing the game. Don’t hate the player, hate the game (although I’m not sure that is true…).
the tories are far more skilled than labour in politics. That’s clear as day. If the opposition was New Labour then we would have a genuinely interesting political battleground, as it is we have no coherent opposition. The Conservatives went through the same thing when labour were in power. IDS, Hague etc were no match for Blair. I’m certainly not condoning Boris, but he’s a very skilled politician.
There was always going to be a risk with brexit, and as someone has pointed out, we're only four months in. I would have thought people would be holding back prophesying doom, when so far the damage is extremely limited compared to forecasts in 2016.
Since brexit has happened, I assume people want it to succeed? Is recession something you'd welcome in order to put us on our hands and knees begging the EU to let us back in?