Alves' peak was more impressive IMO.
Lahm v Dani Alves
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This one still cracks me up.
On the topic, both equally good but Alves was different beast in attacking.
Agreed, he may not be as quick or strong as Cafu who I used to think was the best, but Alves' technique and decision making in possession is something else, it's even better than most winger
Alves is/was a monster regarding his offensive contribution, Lahm is/was an incredibly clever, calm, playmaking left/right fullback and central midfielder. Although they played the same position for the most time of their career, they are quite different and hard to compare imo.
As others pointed out, the choice would be up to the system you play and the other players. If you play an asymmetrical 4-3-3 (with one fullback that is definately more offensive, like Barcelona during Alves time) or a 3-4-3/3-4-1-2 you might want a right fullback/wingback like Alves. If you play with a symmetrical 4-x-x or a "special" system (like Peps 4-2-4 at Bayern where the wingers provided the width and the fullbacks were most of the time hybrids between regular fullbacks and central midfielders), i would rather choose Lahm.
By the way....as english is not my first language....is it right to say "a player is more offensive" as in he is the better attacking player? Or would this rather mean that the player likes to insult other people?
As others pointed out, the choice would be up to the system you play and the other players. If you play an asymmetrical 4-3-3 (with one fullback that is definately more offensive, like Barcelona during Alves time) or a 3-4-3/3-4-1-2 you might want a right fullback/wingback like Alves. If you play with a symmetrical 4-x-x or a "special" system (like Peps 4-2-4 at Bayern where the wingers provided the width and the fullbacks were most of the time hybrids between regular fullbacks and central midfielders), i would rather choose Lahm.
By the way....as english is not my first language....is it right to say "a player is more offensive" as in he is the better attacking player? Or would this rather mean that the player likes to insult other people?
Don't be. This thread is comedy gold because of FCBarca
.It's getting hard to disagree that Marcelo and Alves are historically great, although with Marcelo moreso I don't think his defensive deficiencies can be ignored in an all-time context. Alves' renaissance at Juve has been massively impressive, but for all that he's playing in a different system it was still set up on Wednesday night to maximise his insane attacking qualities and minimise his defensive responsibilities. Barzagli/Bonucci/Chiellini is a fantastic defence, and it became almost lop sided at times with Barzagli virtually at right back to allow Alves to push forward. Not that Alves failed defensively at all, bit I'd still have Lahm well ahead of him in a defensive sense.
Alves is/was a monster regarding his offensive contribution, Lahm is/was an incredibly clever, calm, playmaking left/right fullback and central midfielder. Although they played the same position for the most time of their career, they are quite different and hard to compare imo.
As others pointed out, the choice would be up to the system you play and the other players. If you play an asymmetrical 4-3-3 (with one fullback that is definately more offensive, like Barcelona during Alves time) or a 3-4-3/3-4-1-2 you might want a right fullback/wingback like Alves. If you play with a symmetrical 4-x-x or a "special" system (like Peps 4-2-4 at Bayern where the wingers provided the width and the fullbacks were most of the time hybrids between regular fullbacks and central midfielders), i would rather choose Lahm.
By the way....as english is not my first language....is it right to say "a player is more offensive" as in he is the better attacking player? Or would this rather mean that the player likes to insult other people?
It can be used in both contexts mate, so you were correct. It never ceases to amaze me that most Germans on here are more lucid than I am when writing in English, and its my first fecking language .EDIT: Although 'more offensive' might refer more to the player's style of play being more orientated towards attacking rather than actually being the more skilled attacker. For example, Glen Johnson was probably a more offensive full back than Paulo Maldini, but he wasn't necessarily a better attacker.
Has he? I'd argue Alves has been at the top for longer than Lahm. He was great for Seville during their back to back UEFA Cup titles, and has been one of the best right backs in the world for around 12 years now. I think Lahm joined that discussion a few years later (around 09/10).
Lahm was pretty much world class from the get go and already made the team of tournament at the World Cup 2006 and at the Euro 2008. His spectacular opening goal of the World Cup in 2006 certainly created a lot of fuss around him. The following years, the Ribery - Lahm left wing at Bayern was truely excellent (probably the only elite part of our team) between 2007-2009 and there were constant rumours about Barca, Real being interested in signing Lahm.
I think Lahm first hit his absolute peak that season, when LvG moved him from LB to RB. But he was renowned as one of the best full backs when he was still at LB the years before.
When he scored that opening goal of the 2006 WC, I remember myself being already well aware of him as an elite player.
Ah, Balu beat me.
Lahm everytime
EDIT: Although 'more offensive' might refer more to the player's style of play being more orientated towards attacking rather than actually being the more skilled attacker. For example, Glen Johnson was probably a more offensive full back than Paulo Maldini, but he wasn't necessarily a better attacker.
Haha ok thank you. Yeah your edit is basically what i meant...maybe "more offensive minded" would be the better explanation. Most germans in my age started to learn english in the 5th grade (nowadays most schools start teaching it in the 3rd grade), so it would be quite questionable if our english would be bad
Alves without a doubt.
Lahm is the best full back of the last 10 years he is an exceptionally intelligent player to boot.
This one still cracks me up.
I love how he never responded after that arrogance.I'd concur but I seem to remember Brwned saying he was only as good as glen johnson?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/sunday-shite.269666/page-2#post-7150419
This..
Alves is great attacking but Lahm is just complete.. Great footballer that could play almost any position..
Lahm is more balanced,Alves offensive play is much better but Lahm is not far behind.I will go with Lahm.
A lot being mentioned of Lahm's intelligence, but Alves was a player who played on the same wavelength as Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta, and was as integral to that style of play as any of those.
Two absolutely brilliant players with Lahm probably being the better footballer.
Although I believe Lahm is/ was the better footballer, if I was to pick a peak Alves or Lahm for our United side I would go for Alves, seeing how much freedom Valencia has down our right side, Dani Alves end product is so much better
IIRC he disappeared off the Caf completely for a bit after that
. I've got to admit, the thought of him getting all these notifications and then seeing they're from this thread is funny as feck to me.
This one still cracks me up.
On the topic, both equally good but Alves was different beast in attacking.
What was @FCBarca thinking
Alves but it's really close and hard to chose one over the other
Alves by a distance.
Lahm would never have won those two UEFA cups for Sevilla. Alves won them those single handledly. Lahm is a great defender. But Alves when he needs to defend can be as good. His performances against Ronaldo and Neymar show that.
Lahm would never have won those two UEFA cups for Sevilla. Alves won them those single handledly. Lahm is a great defender. But Alves when he needs to defend can be as good. His performances against Ronaldo and Neymar show that.
Haha just read the last page. Don't even care about the actual original discussion - thanks for the bump - good laugh!
Yeah, people like to mention how crucial Xavi and Iniesta were to Messi but Alves was just as crucial, especially in providing the cutting edge.
Its close but i pick Lahm only because he won the World Cup.
Football at club level is a safe space.
You need to show your character in the World Cup.
Football at club level is a safe space.
You need to show your character in the World Cup.
Alves.
Alves is an incredible right back. It's his cnutish behaviour that put him down.
Alves by far.
Lahm is overrated, Zanetti and prime Maicon are better than him.
Lahm is overrated, Zanetti and prime Maicon are better than him.
I prefer Alves style of play more so will go with him.
Alves better peak Lahm more consistent.
ALves was a monster and the more impressive individual footballer, but Lahm imo had an even bigger impact than him in terms of making a team click and come together despite playing at RB.
Alves, admittedly I have seen him play more as I watched zero Bundesliga for a few years but he's always been an absolute monster whenever I've seen him play.
Contrary to what many believe Alves has actually performed over a slightly longer period.
His stint at Sevilla is almost forgotten of and hardly talked about. He was already arguably the best RB in his time there. The right wing of Navas and Alves was the most frightening and probably the best at the time and helped them to back to back Europa Leagues.
In saying that I feel they're fairly even. They are basically the Messi and Ronaldo in terms of RB's only that I feel its even harder to make a decision.
His stint at Sevilla is almost forgotten of and hardly talked about. He was already arguably the best RB in his time there. The right wing of Navas and Alves was the most frightening and probably the best at the time and helped them to back to back Europa Leagues.
In saying that I feel they're fairly even. They are basically the Messi and Ronaldo in terms of RB's only that I feel its even harder to make a decision.