League Cup: Manchester Utd vs Chel$ki

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a no-penalty decision
a no-red card/ violent conduct decision
this rolls on
 
Just hope this doesn't deal a blow to United and they slip up in the league, FA Cup, and Europe. This defeat will hurt, despite it being the Carling Cup. For Chelsea, this will only be more confidence and jubilation for them. United need Ruud back. It's evident. This does not bold well for the OT encounter in April.
 
Sydius said:
Chelsea are the better side......no mistakes!
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no they are not, they had fecking rob styles as their 12th man he was shocking missed a clear penalty and a clear sending off !!!!
 
Chelsea weren't the better side today.
We were better in the 1st half until their goal, we were much better for most of the 2nd half.
They have a great defence, and had some luck today, that's all.
 
randy420 said:
No, they just got a load of breaks from the shit referee out there
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The decisions even themselves out over the season. Tottenham game anyone?

We started out well enough retaining the ball, but two lapses in concentration cost us.
 
Why does it seem other sides usually have a defender by the keeper on free kicks or corners but United seem to never have an extra player in position to clear shots off the line? It's frustrating to see that Chelsea score on a free kick where a defender might have cleared off the line but yet on a corner for United, Chelsea have a defender in perfect place to clear a sure goal. Just so frustrating and irritating. You'd think CQ would preach positioning on set pieces.
 
MrMarcello said:
Why does it seem other sides usually have a defender by the keeper on free kicks or corners but United seem to never have an extra player in position to clear shots off the line? It's frustrating to see that Chelsea score on a free kick where a defender might have cleared off the line but yet on a corner for United, Chelsea have a defender in perfect place to clear a sure goal. Just so frustrating and irritating. You'd think CQ would preach positioning on set pieces.
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Nah there should not be a man on the line, the defence was way to deep and feck knows what Howard was doing he was in the net before the ball. Shame he made some decent saves but its obvious he can't take the pressure. The keeper should have been making sure the defence pushed out but Howard was stod there thinking oh shit.
 
Sydius said:
They made less mistakes than us and therefore they were the better side!!!!
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Your location is certainly accurate.

We were done in by some very bad officiating, and some seriously bad luck.

Luck doesn't translate into making more or less mistakes. It's just luck.

Chelsea were not the better side tonight, they were the luckier.

But they will thrash Pool in Cardiff.
 
Can we feckin get some proper fecking keepers for a change. Its been the difference between 2 or 3 shit seasons and success. We have to get a real keepen while we still have Keane , Scholes and Giggs playing the way they are and reward them with some trophy.
 
Styles is a cnut, the way he stopped the game for a few minutes every time someone commited a foul to lecture everybody is dumb and useless and it slows down the game. And it usually has the opposite affect than its meant to have on the players (calming 'em down).

But despite that, I think it's wrong to suggest he cost us the game at any shape or form, were any of you saying we played with 12 men after the spurs game ?
 
Bloxy said:
Can we feckin get some proper fecking keepers for a change. Its been the difference between 2 or 3 shit seasons and success. We have to get a real keepen while we still have Keane , Scholes and Giggs playing the way they are and reward them with some trophy.
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Oh will you shut the feck up with that shit already? We've got proper keepers, two of them, since they'r eboth keepers, and haven't moved there from somewhere else, so they're already proper keepers. You can't fault Howard for the goal tonight. And btw, we "rewarded" Keane, Scholes and Giggs last season with the FA Cup last season with both of these "improper" keepers.
 
It was a very even game, but for that fvckin Freak goal, well, I hope we can meet them in the FA cup again!!.
 
randy420 said:
Oh will you shut the feck up with that shit already? We've got proper keepers, two of them, since they'r eboth keepers, and haven't moved there from somewhere else, so they're already proper keepers. You can't fault Howard for the goal tonight. And btw, we "rewarded" Keane, Scholes and Giggs last season with the FA Cup last season with both of these "improper" keepers.
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A proper keeper steps up to the plate in big games when the pressure is on. I rest my case.
 
Sir Alex thought that the defenders should have attacked the ball...deary me 45 yards out!

Disappointed but not to dishearted.
 
Bloxy said:
A proper keeper steps up to the plate in big games when the pressure is on. I rest my case.
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I am disappointed with the result but I stand by Howard, I thought he played well tonight and it easily could have been 4 to 1.. He made a couple of good saves.. Could Carroll have done better who is to say..
 
The defence were to blame for Chelsea 2nd goal as they started too deep in the penalty area when instead should've pushed up further away from the six-yard box.
 
Everyone saying United were the better side in the first half are missing the point.

This is the new Chelsea under Mourinho.

The will give you 44 minutes out of 45 and let you come onto them and hit you on the break.

They are remarkably well organised in defence and can handle everything.

Tonights result was no fluke. The ref wasn't favouring them (in fact, I thought he gave one or two free kicks our way that shouldnt have been).

Maybe Fortune's foul was a Penalty... maybe he made it too theatrical when, in truth, he was going nowhere.

I don't think it matters. Chelsea won fair and square.

They ARE the best team in England right now. Arsenal have just had a blip but must surely be up there for the second best team in England. You don't go from first best to third best just because you've lost a few games but are still second in the league.

The fact is that United are slipping away.

We might be by far and away the third best team in England at this moment (argue about 2nd or 3rd all you want... does it really matter?) but 2nd or 3rd best is not good enough.

For many years now, Chelsea have been capable of beating any team on the day but have failed to do it consistently. We are now in danger of falling into that trap.

In the past, our genuine quality has pulled us through but can you honestly say we have the quality of Chelsea or Arsenal?

So we don't concede many goals, we huff and puff to score any these days.

I think all this back-slapping and happy faces between Fergie and Mourinho is cos United and Fergie realise that they have found the successor.

El Mour is the only person in the world capable of taking Man Utd to the next level. Hate him all you want but he has done us every time he has met us. His team is going to win the league. Looks likely to win the League Cup. Would you bet against him winning the FA Cup and the CL?

Whereas Fergie slates Wenger, he is not employing the same tactics against Mour.
 
bayaoas said:
The defence were to blame for Chelsea 2nd goal as they started too deep in the penalty area when instead should've pushed up further away from the six-yard box.
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Which is due to Howard not commanding his area, he has a problem our team knows it and so does theirs. The defence has to take a share of the blame but Howard does too.
 
Spot on post from thereddevil. It's not all doom and gloom thought, we've got the talent and commitment, we just need to gel a bit more and supply that final third that counts.

Chels have been lucky with their injury lists, we, unfortunately have been battered again, as have arsenal and this shows. Lets not forget what we're talking about here, the Carling Cup while it mught as well have been the Champion's league out there tonight is, when the dust settle's, the Carling Cup. We get our squad back, we get ruud back, we regroup and we go back and we beat Chelsea in April.

We just got to figure out how :D
 
I didnt see the game but it sure sounds like there is nothing in it between united and chelsea just as there is nothing in it between united and arsenal or chelsea and arsenal.

3 top teams. The real deal though, imo is not shite comps like the carling cup but the champions league where you are matched with proven, quality teams - the winner of that comp to me is the real champion. Domestics have become 2nd class citizens compared to that collosus of a competition.

And yes, i would still say that had we won today. I still hold the opinion that we should have fielded the fringe players the whole way though - very unfair to take a semi-final away from them after they earned it.
 
MrMarcello said:
And Tim was class his first 5 months at United, no different than Cech at this point in his career with Chelsea. Just hope Tim can refind that class form.
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Howard came out of nowhere though, whereas Cech has been class for ages. As a 19 year old he set a Czech Rep league record for consecutive minutes without conceeding in all competitions, which included the first four Champions League matches of that campaigns' group stages.

He already had a CL 'pedigree' before his move to Rennes, in a very respectable French league. He helped Rennes get to a Frech Cup final and was an ever present for the team.

He was a number one keeper for one of the very best international sides in theworld before he came to Chelsea, amassing over 20 caps for the Czech Rep. before his 22nd birthday.

Last year, before his move to Chelsea he was rated as the 10th best keeper in the world by the same organization that named him 2nd this year.

All that before being signed for Chelsea. Couldn't say this 5 months of class are just out of the blue and unexpected.
 
The Czech Republic league is not of higher quality than the MLS, where Howard thrived for 3+ years. The only differene being is that MLS does not participate in European Cup, which I'm sure Cech's club did. So he was tested at higher levels. But Cech was tested in the French league, so he had proven himself somewhat. Also, Howard was behind some solid keepers in the US national team pecking order (Freidal, Keller, Meola)...not sure what competition Cech faced in Czech national team selection.

I can understand how you say Howard "came from nowhere" but that's only because he had yet to attain #1 status with the US and had not played in Europe. Cech could have a splendid first season in England, like keepers before him, but could slump in his sophomore season. Not saying he will, but it can happen, and has happened, to many players in various positions.
 
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