to be clear, my perspective is that it’s time for Lingard to go. Some fans are far too harsh on his time with us.
whether VDB is a better option...? At the moment he’s not.
Lingard to join West Ham on loan
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to be clear, my perspective is that it’s time for Lingard to go. Some fans are far too harsh on his time with us.
whether VDB is a better option...? At the moment he’s not.
It's strange how well he's hit the ground running at West Ham given how poor he was for us (and for quite a long time). Full credit to the young man.
I think it's because he's in a free role behind a striker who is an absolute unit and good aerially/holding the ball up - the little pockets he can exploit are key for him. That and teams tend to attack WHUM more than us so he'll generally receive the ball in better positions and with less opposition in front of him.
Not really, it's not harsh at all. It's just that now he's away, people will like to just remember the good things about him.
Lingard only scored more than 6 goals in a season once for United. Otherwise his numbers otherwise have been ranging from 3 to 5 goals a season. For a player who played on the wings and in attacking midfield, and played a lot of games a season and many times as a regular player, this is beyond dreadful. In all these seasons for us he was ranging 36-42 games a season.
We have barely seen VDB to conclude he's better than Lingard or not. He has played only 13 games in the league with the majority of his minutes ranging from 7 to 23 minutes, two times played 45 minutes and only one time played the full 90 minutes in the league ? On what basis can we even judge him properly ? As meanwhile Lingard has been a useless player for United for his last 1.5 years here.
I'll prefer trying something new in VDB and giving him a proper chance first. We have seen Lingard ton of times across the last several years. We haven't seen VDB much yet. I know what my choice will be.
If our reported finances are correct then we're not spending this summer, a returning in form Lingard might be the best addition to our attack we can hope for 
Has no one asked why the feck was he on pens?! Surely they have someone better from a dead ball...
He won the penalty and there was a little bit of a squabble between him and the captain Declin Rice over who should take it. Lingard wouldn't have taken the pen it he didn't win it.
So are you suggesting we should try to re-sign Lukaku, if the move to another team/league revitalized his career which it seems to have, then what would have sparked the revitalization if he stayed?
Because the unprofessional overweight Lukaku that played here in 19/20 definitely wouldn't improve us.
So Van De Beek is shit after 6 months and Lingard is good after 6 games. Seems like sound logic, or maybe let's just see how both of them get on next season before deciding if it was bad business or not.
That was as nailed on a penalty as you might ever see in football.
Then it's clear. If we want to get the best out him, we need to hire Moyes.
If he's trusted with pens at WHU, surely they'd pay up £25m in the summer, right? Do it for the old times, Moyesy.
This precisely, he was always very good running in behind off a striker. Especially when he was on loan in the championship - scored 4 goals on his debut for birmingham. Teams will play further up the pitch against the hammers which will benefit him.
however, this ‘form’ will not translate to man utd, where he will be expected to play quick interchanges and create play with clever passes.
the best result is he is sold to west ham or similar. He will always be a cracking player in a team further down the table or a team which sets up in a way that benefits him.
I had Lingard on the same level of James quality wise. Now I'm not too sure.
What a summer "signing" that would be. A young up and coming Mancunian. Seriously though...nah. He and West Ham are a good match.If our reported finances are correct then we're not spending this summer, a returning in form Lingard might be the best addition to our attack we can hope for
4-5 goals is better than Martial!
On a more serious note, glad he is doing well. Means more cash for us
How long is left on his contract?
That and the midfielders behind him. I haven't watched him play but his name seems to feature a lot. New club bounce too maybe? Good luck to him, glad he is resurrecting his career. Thought he'd do more with us but he seemed to plateau in his development around 24/25.
Moyes > Ole.
Young Lingard will be up for his last big contract in 2022.
I think he is just having a purple patch with a new club bounce.
That, and starting regularly for a team with less pressure/completion. See VDB at Ajax and now at United. Lingard is doing well but he's never playing ahead of Bruno isn't a winger.
6 goals + assists in 6 games, he played against Villa, City, Spurs, Leeds. That's a very good return.
West ham doesn't have any player who match that output, so we should expect good money for him.
West ham doesn't have any player who match that output, so we should expect good money for him.
Yup. Honestly im glad hes doing well. Both for the young man himself but also for us since it means WH will need to put some money on the table to keep him
Only Bruno has scored more goals than Lingard since his move to West Ham and only Bruno, Kane and Bale are involved in more goals than Lingard.
Keep doing your thing JLingz. Your last bit of service for United might be staying at West Ham as part of a Declan Rice deal. We'll always remember you fondly.
Woodward will get greedy now and probably ask for 50m pounds
Like Beckham before him.
I definitely don’t think we should re-sign him. That ship has sailed. I also don’t know what needed to be done to get him to produce this season’s form at United. I’m not a manager.
The only reason I mentioned him was because I’m seeing similar comments in his thread and this one. Bitter fans trying to convince everyone (and themselves, presumably?) that these two players aren’t actually playing at a level that would be good enough for United, when they obviously are. In fact they’re both clearly playing a lot better than the players we signed to replace them.
Whether they could reproduce that form back at the club where they previously struggled is a whole other issue.
The squabble was in a previous game. There was no contest over this pen
YepImagine he starts banging them in....
He seem a bit more confident.. Hearing players at West Ham talking of him bringing a winning mentality can be an ego boost for any player.
Everyone wants a bit of love somehow. That he is getting at his club right now. He is not even scared to do the risky stuff these days and that’s a good place to be for any player. Knowing your colleagues believe you can make things happen.
Everyone wants a bit of love somehow. That he is getting at his club right now. He is not even scared to do the risky stuff these days and that’s a good place to be for any player. Knowing your colleagues believe you can make things happen.
Him playing well is good because it will give him actual value when we come to sell him in the summer. There's no point keeping a player who had pretty much added nothing to Utd for at least 18 months and probably longer. This is actually what we wanted given before this run of form we were clearly struggling to sell him with no real takers given his wages, that's why he ended up on loan in the first place, given he was clearly free to go in the summer but there were no takers.
Glad that he is loving his football. All the best for Lingard.
If West Ham want him him, we should ask no less than £20m like what they will do to us if we asked for Rice, they'd want £80m
If West Ham want him him, we should ask no less than £20m like what they will do to us if we asked for Rice, they'd want £80m
Really should be offering Lingard as part of a deal involving either Soucek or Rice.
Lingard + 20 million for Soucek
Lingard + 30 million for Rice
I think that's good business for all parties.
Glad he's gone but it is annoying that he did feck all for us yet looks a player for them.
Lingard + 20 million for Soucek
Lingard + 30 million for Rice
I think that's good business for all parties.
Glad he's gone but it is annoying that he did feck all for us yet looks a player for them.
Hopefully we can get £20 million for him. I am really concerned though that we will decide his form is so good for West Ham that we need to offer him a renewed contract or we overvalue him and price him out of a move. Even on this run of form, he’d only be a bench option for us.
I share that concern, even though Ole has in general been good at rooting out the deadwood. Phil Jones is the one obvious mistake that comes to mind.
Happy for him, sometimes a change is what you need, he should never come back to United, the bench is all Ole can offer him here.