Sherwood is a bit average to be fair. He wasn't under the sort of pressure Moyes faced either.
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Liverpool have been very good but sooner or later their defensive frailties had to come back and bite them in the ass. They have scored a lot but have conceded nearly 50 goals, you shouldnt be able to win the league doing that, although they still could. Has anybody won the league conceding that many? I dont know. They have been really naive in the last 2 games and Rodgers spouting about they play the right way and all that rubbish just makes it laughable. They could have and should have seen it out, they thought they had won it after beating City.
Also why is it Liverpool fans think that they are only going to get better when they have basically had everything going for them this year and are now saying how they have been under achieving all these years. Ever thought that they are actually over achieving? Just a little? I cant see all their attacking players doing the same again next year, but we will see i guess.
They also think that United are not under achieving but have over achieved for the past 5 odd years and the players are all actually crap and will also have no money without CL football. Why is it you all take offense to United fans and whoever else when they say next year will be the true test because you have europe etc to deal with aswell and may not actually get anywhere near it? Yet at the same time you claim United are finished and will find it too difficult to get back in top 4? Liverpool can only get better but almost everyone else is or are near their peak and Liverpool are the only ones that will improve their squad? Its only been one season, all be it a very good one for and and a very bad one for United. If it goes a year or so more then you may have a point but right now it is wishful thinking which is what you lot like to throw at us when we say something.
This is not necessarily aimed at the resident Liverpool fans here, i know a lot and they all think the same way, i just dont get your logic half the time.
Also why is it Liverpool fans think that they are only going to get better when they have basically had everything going for them this year and are now saying how they have been under achieving all these years. Ever thought that they are actually over achieving? Just a little? I cant see all their attacking players doing the same again next year, but we will see i guess.
They also think that United are not under achieving but have over achieved for the past 5 odd years and the players are all actually crap and will also have no money without CL football. Why is it you all take offense to United fans and whoever else when they say next year will be the true test because you have europe etc to deal with aswell and may not actually get anywhere near it? Yet at the same time you claim United are finished and will find it too difficult to get back in top 4? Liverpool can only get better but almost everyone else is or are near their peak and Liverpool are the only ones that will improve their squad? Its only been one season, all be it a very good one for and and a very bad one for United. If it goes a year or so more then you may have a point but right now it is wishful thinking which is what you lot like to throw at us when we say something.
This is not necessarily aimed at the resident Liverpool fans here, i know a lot and they all think the same way, i just dont get your logic half the time.
I think they sacked AVB far too early.
They thought they had won it, its as simple as that really. They claim he was crying because of his cousin aswell but somehow i think if they had just beaten Norwich or Cardiff this would not have happened.
I agree.
What's the odds of City losing but Liverpool's also throwing a win at last minute? Kinda like our scenario but this time Liverpool bottling it
You do that when you win, maybe, possibly when you lose, you don't bloody do it when there's 3 games to go and one of them is against Jose Mourinho's Chelsea. Utterly bizarre and solid sign of jumping the gun and getting on board and trying to drive the hype train.
I can sense a bit of desire to see them suffer this title loss in as miserable a fashion as possible
That's rawk's creation to make him less of an idiot
Surely when you're crying about something else you don't do it after a rival win with your boys infront of the camera? I understand his passion and stuff, but there's reason people held the believe of not counting the eggs before chicken and stuff, you can chose to headstart all that, but at your own risk.
He could have been a lil modest about the whole thing, at least until he sewn it and he can cry all day and nobody will dare mention a word
Yeah he was definitely crying because he thought they were home and dry IMO, as i said if it was anybody else but their main contenders for the title then the huddle and him crying more than likely wouldnt have happened.
Yeah i understand that, im not defending him. I was just saying thats what it was about. They can claim other stuff but they clearly got above their station and thought they had made it, just like the last 2 games that they have messed up.
And as a captain, it was upto him to help his team focus and keep their heads down. Which he did the exact opposite off by losing his own perspective of the situation. Not start bubbling about like he'd won the effin world cup.
He started with paulinho and siggy in a 2 man cm. Away from home against long ball fc. He's previously paired players such as chadli and siggy in a 2 man cm.
Not to mention a large part of the problem with this bellend is the crap he spouts in the media.
We ve picked up points largely because we have better players than the majority of the clubs in the league and as much as I didn't want us to part with avb, we were doing partly the same with avb as well, though he at least had a system of play.
And the main difference between sherwood and moyes is that moyes clearly never felt he belonged amongst the top table of managers and exuded that tbh. The one thing I ll give sherwood credit for is that he is an arrogant ass who clearly thinks he is an incredible manager. Considering ferguson thought the same (rightly), I'm sure the players had difficulties in responding to moyes after years of fergie.
All of which is taking away from my original point which is that Carroll is crap.
Spurs, like United, need a "coach" right now more than anything. Both teams need an identity to their football.
Good call.
Completely agree. Seems like you ll get something in that field with LVG, as well as a proven winner. Let's hope we make the right appointment too.
Do you reckon you'll be signing a Malkie Mackay type this summer? Seeing Rodgers' and Martinez's successes?
(Plus Spurs like to plagarise everything Liverpool do :P )
Facebook friend now chuffed they've qualified for Europe he's convinced they'll win CL no.6 
Like bottling it at the last minute, you mean?
De Boer is surely the obvious choice. He's basically Van Gaal anyway, only not old, and not a loon.
Very good post to be honest, I've been thinking a lot of the same things but I haven't been quite sure how to put them into a post. The parts that particularly struck me where the ones I've highlighted.
To be fair, it really isn't that good. It's heavily tilted towards a United supporters viewpoint. You lot all think this is a flash in a pan and we think it's the start of something bigger. The difference is ours is actually based on evidence (Rodgers first six months were wank, his second six months were very good, his next six have been even better and his latest 5 have been fantastic) that he has been making our squad improve. The results show this.
To be fair we conceded a fairly high 43 for a side that won the league comfortably on 89 points last season, but Liverpool's defensive problems definitely haven't helped. Suppose you can also argue that without the way they've attacked and scored, they might not be in this position in the first place.
Disagree, he's as average a manager you can find. They just made a poor appointment.
It isnt that good from your side because you are proving the point time and time again. You are doing the exact same thing as a viewpoint from a Liverpool supporter. You have had a good season and now think you have made it and wont be moved again, yet when it comes to United, we have had a bad season and you seem to think thats it, it is going to be very difficult for us to come back into the top 4, we have a crap squad and need huge changes to even get close. You dismiss United and then claim us lot are just wishful thinking when we say that you lot have achieved basically nothing yet and will be just as hard for you to stay there. You laugh when United fans point out that it will be harder for you next year with extra games etc etc and then state that United wont be back. The logic.
I don't think it's flash in the pan, I actually think Liverpool have the makings of a very good team, especially attacking-wise as long as you keep hold of Luis. But the comments that I've seen on RAWK (I know they can be as OTT as some of the ones on the Caf) have implied that no other teams will be improving around Liverpool, and that next season will be as simple as this season, I'm not saying you'll drop to 7th as I fancy you quite comfortably getting top 4 but I don't think the league title is as straightforward as some fans are making it out to be, just like top 4 isn't as straightforward as we're making it out to be.
Agreed 100% with this.
I certainly don't think that Liverpool this time will be the same flash-in-the-pan that they were after 2009 under Benitez, which I also called at the time (although even I didn't think they'd fall as far as 7th). The difference is that then their key players were all 26+ whilst this time they have a lot of younger players. I don't see them challenging next season the way they have done this time, but I do see them consolidating in the top 4 and being on the fringes of the title chase.
The difference is the owners IMO.
Nope, the difference is Rodgers compared to Benitez IMO. The owners were only an issue because Benitez made them an issue. Fergie had a fairly similar situation when the Glazers came in and he got on with his job despite them, not because of them.
The Glazers and Hicks and Gillette aren't comparable at all.
In what way? They both performed LBOs. The difference was that Ferguson didn't let fans and players get distracted by it but Benitez not only didn't manage that, he actively encouraged them to find excuses specifically around the ownership.
I think they had far worse owners than us. Ferguson always said the Glazers backed him financially when he asked them to. He always knew we had enough to be at the top challenging and was right. Liverpool needed to show ambition and push on when they had an excellent core of Reina, Agger, Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso and Torres but instead they made a profit on transfers. This of course led to unhappiness of other players and Mascherano followed him out to Spain next season.
I have no idea tbh. We've tried a lot of different types of manager. We've tried the young up & coming mangers (AVB), we've tried club legend (Hoddle), we've tried managers with some experience of winning trophies (Santini & Ramos), we've tried old school English (Redknapp, ironically the one I reckon most people would have had down as the guaranteed failure yet ended up being the most successful one).
So we've already gone down the Mackay route before, it didn't work out unfortunately (not that it wouldn't work again, it is just obviously quite risky). I think Van Gaal would have been sensational here but unfortunately Man Utd had to hire Moyes last summer when they had Guardiola, Mourinho and Ancelotti were all available.
A rather surprising name which has sprung up recently is Benitez, whose case has been pushed by Carragher and Thompson, both of whom seem to think he would be willing to come here. Personally I don't see why he'd be willing to leave Napoli for us so I would assume they're talking crap but I don't know how much contact they may or may not still have with Benitez.
The 3 names linked the most are FDB, Pochettino and Benitez so I assume the manager next season will be one of them, most likely one of the first two. Both of them unfortunately come with some risk.
Real big shame about LVG. Oh well.
Would you take Rafa? I think he'd be fantastic for you lot and he'd make getting 4th much more difficult for other teams. I hope he doesn't join you though.
Who out of those three would you want the most?
Looks like Henderson was a big loss for Liverpool,W,D,L.
Was he a bigger loss than Gerrard ?
The liverpool of old in the last few years anyway I always thought they played better without him.
Was he a bigger loss than Gerrard ?
The liverpool of old in the last few years anyway I always thought they played better without him.
Henderson is arguably the second most important player to the team behind Suarez. Not the second best, but in terms of what he offers we don't have anyone that can do what he does.