So Gerrard being as good as Scholes and Keane is as bad of an assertion as Agger being as good as Rio? Gerrard at one time was for me the best midfielder in the world let alone the league, if Coutinho surpasses Gerrard which i don't think he will, he will be right up there with the best midfielders this league has seen, because Gerrard himself is in that league, undoubtedly.
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So Gerrard being as good as Scholes and Keane is as bad of an assertion as Agger being as good as Rio? Gerrard at one time was for me the best midfielder in the world let alone the league, if Coutinho surpasses Gerrard which i don't think he will, he will be right up there with the best midfielders this league has seen, because Gerrard himself is in that league, undoubtedly.
Gerrard was never better than Keane.
Gerrard looks well on his way to having his second good season in a deep lying CM/Dm position, funny that the main contention against him as a player used to be he wasn't tactical disciplined enough or 'intelligent' enough to adapt to a deeper position.
Sturridge has been on this form for over a year now, when does he stop being a 'flavour of the month?
My comparison did cite Mata - as luxury player, the definition of which is fairly well-known. And if my comparisons are so wrong, then perhaps you could tell me which recent United signings apart from RvP have resulted in your superior spending power attracting a non-luxury, better player than their recently signed Spurs equivalent.
I feel it's coming. The medicore defense and midfield have shown more frality in the last couple of games and the pressure of the chase is starting to show. The brilliant attack has bailed them out on the last couple of occasions but can it continue till the end of the season?
S'ton away, United, a desperate Cardiff away, West Ham away, City, Chelsea, Palace away - I can see them losing points in few of those fixtures. We may left it a little too late but.....
S'ton away, United, a desperate Cardiff away, West Ham away, City, Chelsea, Palace away - I can see them losing points in few of those fixtures. We may left it a little too late but.....
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I think they'll lose some points along the way, I agree with you, but I don't think we'll catch up with them, the gap is too big. 11 pts at this stage of the season is huge, and I don't think we've got it in us to be consistent enough until the final day. They'd have to have a big collapse, and we'd have to be ridiculously consistent (basically win everything) which I just don't see happening. Had we been within 6 points, I'd feel confident, probably, but not now. I think we'll finish in front of Spurs and probably 4-5 points off Liverpool.
We will definitely drop some points, and need to get a few lucky 1-0 wins along the way, at the moment though we just concede too many goals to be able to do that.
Next 3 games are important, all away from home and it's a tough run in however, I can't see United catching us.
Our priority is to put more daylight between us and Tottenham, if that means we finish higher than 4th even better.
I would be surprised if anyone other than them are in with a realistic chance of 4th.
Next 3 games are important, all away from home and it's a tough run in however, I can't see United catching us.
Our priority is to put more daylight between us and Tottenham, if that means we finish higher than 4th even better.
I would be surprised if anyone other than them are in with a realistic chance of 4th.
4 points off the top, most goals scored, strikers in form, getting a run of luck at present. LFC shouldnt be discounted from the league title (unfortunately).
Theres what, 11 games to go? (too lazy to check). It's all so wide open.
we NEED to clip their wings at OT
Theres what, 11 games to go? (too lazy to check). It's all so wide open.
we NEED to clip their wings at OT
We're 12 points off of them because if we pull it back level their goal difference is always going to be far greater than ours. Assuming (a huge ask) we beat them at OT then it will be 9 points. It is doable and not completely unheard of, but we'd have to win every game from here on in. We have some tough matches coming too.
I think Liverpool will get results against most of those teams. I have them down to beat either city or Chelsea and get a draw in the other match. I think they'll beat United (hopefully im completely wrong)
I don't think Spurs are really in the running. I just don't understand how they're where they're at right now, I know the league table doesn't lie, but bloody hell it definitely is doing its best for them!
Yep 11 games to go, so 33 points up for grabs.
Good point, definitely say 12. If we catch up on 11 points and finish level but out of top 4 cos of GD, a couple of years after losing a league in a similar fashion, we'd probably kill ourselves!
I think we'll beat them at OT and as I said above I think we'll pick up more points than them from hereon out, but I still don't think we'll catch up. We left it too late, and by the end of the season we'll be rueing results like the Fulham one (we already are really).
Don't see us getting any 1-0 wins at the moment.
I think our priority is now looking up. We have a nice cushion, now we need to push for a spot higher than 4th. Would any Liverpool supporter take 4th right now if I offered it to them?
In fairness, they managed to bounce back from that 1-5 loss to City with two wins and a draw. One of which was a 0-4 win at Newcastle.
I expected them to completely crumble after that loss.
About 5 or 6 weeks ago I'd have said that the 4th place team would have needed about 75 points to secure a CL spot. With Everton, Spurs, & United all having fallen away a bit during that time, I now reckon 70, or a little more, might just do it.
We have home games against Sunderland, Spurs, City, Chelsea, & Newcastle. Our away fixtures are at Southampton, United, Cardiff, West Ham, Norwich, & Palace. The key is for us to maximise our home games. 3 wins & 2 draws will give us 67 points, needing just a probable 4 or 5 points to win the 4th place cup.
We have home games against Sunderland, Spurs, City, Chelsea, & Newcastle. Our away fixtures are at Southampton, United, Cardiff, West Ham, Norwich, & Palace. The key is for us to maximise our home games. 3 wins & 2 draws will give us 67 points, needing just a probable 4 or 5 points to win the 4th place cup.
Absolutely. There's no way on god's earth, with our defenders playing like they are, are we going to be anywhere near the top of the table come May.
I would have taken 4th at the beginning without hesitation and would probably take it now too. I have never thought we would win the league and still don't, however I do retain a glimmer of a hope we can sneak 3rd, but our defensive problems I still feel will find us out before the season ends.
There will be times when our forwards misfire, like against Arsenal in the FA Cup, and we just don't seem capable of keeping a clean sheet.
Yeah I didn't think they had it in them but this recent run has given them a chance. I'm hoping Jose sees Chelsea through. I've heard their run in is piss easy. It is comforting that they need to leapfrog three teams right now.
After next week Spurs will probably be closer, but then they face a run of Chelsea, Arsenal and Southampton before going to Anfield. Spurs haven't a hope now, so barring an absurd Liverpool collapse and us suddenly reverting to type, fourth is done.
Massive summer ahead for Rodgers, could define his career.
Massive summer ahead for Rodgers, could define his career.
Nope. I think I'd take 3rd now if offered it though.
What does this stuff even mean?
Isn't your priority to win as many football matches as you can? Would your lot try and win "differently" if they thought they could win the title or didn't? It's not in your hands. You just have to do the best you can and hope things fall your way.
It's a bizarre season for them in many ways. Now the top scorers in the league ahead of City with 70 goals, but their 35 goals conceded stat is comparable to West Ham, Villa and Palace. Their ability going forward is unquestionable but I do feel their defensive ineptitude (in comparison to the title challengers) will come back to bite them at some point. I think they'll be quite distant from the top by May but sadly it looks unlikely they'll drop enough points to surrender 4th.
I think that considering we've been without our first choice back 4 and our main defensive midfielder for the majority of the season, we've done as well as we could possibly have done. If we can get Sakho and Lucas back for the run-in it will help immensely. I'm also taking a lot of heart in the fact that Luis is going through a bit of a dry spell for him and the rest of the team, not just Sturridge, are chipping in.
Fair point. I've not been entirely convinced about Sakho and I've always felt Skrtel is seriously lacking in actual defensive ability but Lucas will make a big difference. But if we're comparing the back four, even at full strength, to the top three then I still feel you're some way behind.
I've said it a few times on here but I don't think it can be underestimated what a great job Rodgers has done. Cases can be made for Pochettino, Martinez and Mourinho is he wins the league but surely Rodgers is manager of the season so far. Before the season started not many thought Liverpool would challenge for fourth, let alone be in touch of the top in February. I wasn't convinced after the first few narrow/nervy wins but they've definitely grown in confidence through that period, used the extra rest and preparation wisely and look a great unit now. Sterling, Henderson and Coutinho look like completely different players now.
But what? We'll drop more points than them during the run-in.
I just want them to drop some points so they fall out of the title race. At the moment every close win is proper annoying.
I'm sure it's been mentioned but it is actually in your hands. All you have to do is win the CL. That wouldn't half brighten your day if we finish 4th and don't qualify because you've won the bloody thing.
People said that about us last season. No defensive midfielder, can't rely just on their front four, blah, blah, blah, blah. To win the Premier League you don't have to beat Bayern Munich every week, you need to stuff the likes of West Brom and Fulham and do respectably against the big boys like City and Chelsea. Liverpool have the firepower to out blast the bottom feeders and contend with the big boys. Its only 6 points. There are 11 games left. They can win the title.
Suarez will start scoring again, Sakho is to come back, Johnson has just returned and Lucas is on his way back. I think if we can get third, then we can get 1st as I suspect the top three will be separated by a couple of points only.
4 actually.
I agree with you in general, except that last season, the league was essentially a one horse race. This time there are 4 genuine contenders though with City and Arsenal likely to go out of the CL, Liverpool will be 4th favorites.
would be very funny, but unlikely (though strangely we have played some of our best stuff this year in Europe)
Yep, 4 points at this stage is nothing. They have the team to win it. They dont have any European distractions and are playing their best 11 every game. They also have defenders coming back.
We absolutely must beat them when we play. If there's one thing that could make this season worse, its them winning the league.
You're obsessed with Liverpool. It's pathetic.
Huh? Me?
No, the forum in general.
Why bother clicking on it then ?
Well, considering the rivalry and the fact that it seemed we'd compete with them for the 4th spot, 2000 posts over the course of the season is very normal. Specially when 25% of the posts would be from our resident scousers.
whats your point? Cant we talk about one of our historical rivals? Particularly when they are showing signs of regrowth?
Just this desperate need to respect them all of a sudden, the need to be perceived as impartial. It's nauseating.