To be fair I think you have a point Barney. The winning mentality at United was pretty much solely down to one man...and he was just superb at it. The United fans expectations concerning United are probably going to have to change as much as Moyes needs to change to become a winning manager.
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To be fair I think you have a point Barney. The winning mentality at United was pretty much solely down to one man...and he was just superb at it. The United fans expectations concerning United are probably going to have to change as much as Moyes needs to change to become a winning manager.
He will, I am pretty sure of that. He's here to stay.
You have a few mid table players too, your World class ones just used to cover over the cracks.
They are good players, not the best in the league.
they are simply class....and I have seen most of em.
we still have quite a few World Class players....
Oh I am sorry, do you have a squad comparable or better than Chelsea's or Citys? If we still had Sir Alex we would be challenging for the title that much is certain. Liverpool are very much punching above their weight and will have issues soon namely when Suarez is coveted and Gerrard pushes closer to the end of his career.
Dumbstar was getting similar replies in the thread this summer
Look how that turned out.
Many of you said he will go in the summer and he didn't, now nearly a year later, having just signed a 4 year contract and us as a club being in a much better position, you're still adamant that he will be leaving, i think i'm the one that suppose to be laughing tbh.
Yes because other teams with bigger pockets dont covet good players okay then.
Dumbstar was getting similar replies in the thread this summer
Look how that turned out.
Many of you said he will go in the summer and he didn't, now nearly a year later, having just signed a 4 year contract and us as a club being in a much better position, you're still adamant that he will be leaving, i think i'm the one that suppose to be laughing tbh.
Ah, the summer of '69. I remember it well.
For any fans interested @swissramble has done a little breakdown on Liverpool's result on his timeline.
50 million loss? I guess the market for stolen hubcaps is declining worldwide.
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Most interesting is how well they are doing in the comercial department. They are ahead of Arsenal and would be probably 3rd behind Chelsea and us without the City-Sheikh doping. Very impressive considering it's been 5 years since they've been in the CL. It's a pain in the ass that they'll probably manage to qualify for the CL. With that they can improve their commercials even more and will get much more money from the media rights. But the one stumbling block will always be the stadium. As long as they don't have a bigger stadium they'll never be able to catch up with us or Arsenal.
The way the PL is now, there isn't a single team that should be cocky about having CL football for the next ten years.
One poor season/season of transition could see you kicked out of it. There are at least six teams that are genuinely fighting for it now. Obviously some are likelier than others, but still, it's not easy any more.
One poor season/season of transition could see you kicked out of it. There are at least six teams that are genuinely fighting for it now. Obviously some are likelier than others, but still, it's not easy any more.
They have a huge fan base, all my cousins support them and tbh they are all glory hunters from the 80s. I think commercially they have some very good lucrative deals in place
I'm curious as to how Liverpool will do assuming they qualify for CL with the European fixtures. Think they've benefited this season from not having to focus on that. They've just had the domestic cups and the league this season.
That's true, but obviously we would like to be in the last 16 of the Champions League.
How it will impact us next season we don't know but hopefully it means we can add some quality in a few positions to the squad to help.
Also as I said earlier no european football doesn't guarantee success we didn't qualify either at the end of the 2011 season, and yet only finished 8th the following season.
Not saying it guarantees success but I do think it has made your preparations for matches easier or more manageable.
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I genuinely believe Suarez will still go if any of the big 2 Spanish teams make a serious bid for him. Its ingrained into South American players to play for Madrid or Barca. He's obviously happy at the moment, but say Madrid put in a opening bid of 50 million, you'll soon know all about it! Its not a relection on LFC, just the way it is. The fact that he signed a new contract recently will mean nothing other than Liverpool will get a bigger fee. We all know that contracts arent worth the money they are written on if a player starts posturing to go.
I genuinely believe Suarez will still go if any of the big 2 Spanish teams make a serious bid for him. Its ingrained into South American players to play for Madrid or Barca. He's obviously happy at the moment, but say Madrid put in a opening bid of 50 million, you'll soon know all about it! Its not a relection on LFC, just the way it is. The fact that he signed a new contract recently will mean nothing other than Liverpool will get a bigger fee. We all know that contracts arent worth the money they are written on if a player starts posturing to go.
If I was him, I'd stay. Liverpool are playing some amazing football these days and if they strengthen in a few key areas they could win the league next season which would be an amazing achievement for him and the club. But he is 27 and a club like Real probably wont come calling again (if they do now). Him, Ronaldo and Bale as an attacking trio would be frightening.
It would be an amazing acheivement, but not as amazing as winning the league at Madrid (from the players point of view)
Purely as an achievement it would be bigger I reckon. There's not much between Madrid and Barca these days it seems.
It might be a bigger dream for him, but it is undisputable a bigger achievement to pull Liverpool to their first PL win in decades, having been at the club since they were a mid table mediocrity. He would become an eternal legend at Anfield if he managed that. At Real he would just be one of many league winners bought at peak ability who contributed to a trophy or two. He would never achieve legend status at Real.
Neither Barca or Real really need him at the minute though- where would he fit in at both teams- he'd probably play as a striker at Madrid if he went how seamlessly he'd play with Ronaldo is another thing though, Luis and Ronaldo are similar enough in some respects, both like to be the focal point of attack, both like to take the free kicks etc. At Barca Messi won't be dislodged as the striker, big money Neymar on the left, where do you think he would play?
Neither Barca or Madrid desperately need him and he's not the type of player you keep on a bench, in addition to that he would cost them the guts of £100m .
That's purely your opinion, but as said above for the player it might mean more for him to guide Liverpool from mid table to champions as opposed to being another big money buy for Madrid.
I know you can't take these things at face value but Suarez appears settled and happy at Liverpool and also identifies the PL as the best league in the world- surely he'd get more satisfaction winning that (fingers crossed)?
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/04/luis-suarez-liverpool-future-champions-league
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I don't disagree, but it will have to be near a world record bid to get him, and i don't think Barca or Madrid will be ready to bank roll another 90 million for a player they don't desperately need.
There is an argument for saying that Liverpool were the biggest club in the world in the 80s but that didn't stop the slump we went through. This may well be a blip season for united and certainly based on the last 20 years it would seem to be so but sometimes businesses make poor decisions and problems can last longer than anticipated.
Why do people talk only of negatives in the sense of playing in the Champions league? We do have a very inexperienced squad from a top level european perspective but if your squad is young enough and if we invest wisely then Henderson, Sterling, Suso, Flanagan and many more of our younger lads could really come on leaps and bounds competeing against top european sides.
Funny how more & more people are now putting our positive football & top 4 position down purely to the fact we had no European football to contend with this season. I don't recall too many on here stating at the start of the season that they fancied us to be challenging for the title because of our non-participation in a competition that all the top clubs crave to play in. Yet now, it seems it's not such a big thing, because should we qualify, it's going to have a negative effect on what we do next season. That may well be the case, but if it's all the same with you naysayers, I think most of us Liverpool fans will be more than happy to take the chance.
Since when does Madrid not needing a player stop them from going out and taking one.
Didn't his new contract put a 70m clause in it? Or was that bollocks?
Didn't his new contract put a 70m clause in it? Or was that bollocks?
It was £70m for clubs outside of England if we failed to make the CL if iirc.
I think even Madrid would draw the line at spending almost £100m on a player they did not need.
Only clause for if we don't qualify for the CL.
You're right it hasn't stopped them, but it will take even more than 70 m to get him, the cards are in our hands.
But you were bankrolled by a family who lost much of its wealth due to the national lottery. We are getting nothing from our owners.
I don't think David Moores put anything in and he sold at a big profit to Hicks and Gillette.At least he didn't take money out of the business like Glazer.
Money had nothing to do with our success during that period. Take a look at Paisley's record in the transfer market over his 9 years in charge. The side he left was completely different to the one he inherited, yet it went on to winning 3 major trophies the season after he retired. Yet teams like United, City, & Forest, were not adverse to spending big transfer fees during the same period.
I am of that very brand. And now so are my four (shirt-buying) kids. My mates who I've played 5 a side with for 20 years are 50% LFC fans. Their kids now come to play and are avid LFC fans. This is all in South London where LFC shirts outnumber any other teams, including MUFC during their height.
You will not believe how big LFC is. I have often maintained Liverpool need to win the league just once for that support to explode (commercially speaking). These Standard Chartered and Warrior deals will appear undervalued in comparison.
I agree that you can't turn down a big team like those two. I also agree LFC can't turn down the sort of money they will offer for his services, if it happens.
But we're talking a large fee. £70m is touted as a non-CL qualifying clause. We won't be talking less than £100m now that we don't have to sell + we're likely to be in the CL.
True, you do have a very big following. I think in this country especially among the Asian fans.
With your commercial deals, I think in more lucrative foreign markets due to not having a sustained period of success your support is quite far behind the likes of Man Utd though it is still quite large. I don't think the deals are undervalued when you consider you haven't been in the CL for years and not won a league title in many years either.
I dont think that's accurate Greg. Havent you signed RVP and Mata under the glazer guidance? They are huge signings for big money.