Liverpool

Kostur said:
Of course, but in this case it's a discussion that seems to be lost from the start and in the end, it's manager who's getting judged on his performances that are produced by players who DOF picked for him and such might not fit his vision.
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How do you even know that?

And the 2nd bit is again coming to the original point being made. Yes, its the manager that will be judged but different clubs do it differently based on the factors like how long they expect the manager to be there and thus whether his decisions are good for the long term future of the club.
 
Varun_Utd said:
How do you even know that?

And the 2nd bit is again coming to the original point being made. Yes, its the manager that will be judged but different clubs do it differently based on the factors like how long they expect the manager to be there and thus whether his decisions are good for the long term future of the club.
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Because in the end players that don't fit manager's system are still bought ?

And in this case it's a vicious circle, they buy players that don't fit manager's system, manager fails to achieve his goal, gets sacked, they hire new one and we start this nonsense again. Plus if they're thinking long term, it's not granted that players they pick will suit new manager's system as well. Neither Ferguson nor Mourinho could create a decent squad off Carrolls, Downings and Bebes.
 
Kostur said:
He brought them the book with magic tactics of his, pretty long read, giving them insight and needed information about his long, medium and short term plans, they know that he needs a certain set of players that would fit into his system. What's the point of 'discussing' things with DoF when in the end, he buys Rodgers players that are not 'his transfers' ?



Chiriches and Eriksen are so far ones that can be named as good buys, rest is either absolute garbage or average ( stretching it here ) players. I think that DOF + manager is implemented at BVB, can't see Kloppo complaining about the transfers though, whereas you could see such complaints from AVB and now Rodgers.
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I'm not sure, haven't followed Spurs, but Bale was bought under DoF right?

Plus they weren't doing to bad on the table, so they must have been going in the right direction. The thing is, there's not many managers you can trust with years of rebuilding, if they're good they might move, if they're bad there's no point trusting them with 10+ years project. We and Arsenal are blessed with longevity manager, but smaller teams who cuts and chops might do better with a DoF (supposedly they're not utter bellend)

Not to mention, that if the DOF is in charge of the youth, he's not bound into performing (football wise) so he can patiently implement a long term (10+ years) youth program without needing to deliver on yearly basis, something most managers can't focus on, since they will probably trying to make sure they don't get the sack in the first place.
 
Kostur said:
Because in the end players that don't fit manager's system are still bought ?

And in this case it's a vicious circle, they buy players that don't fit manager's system, manager fails to achieve his goal, gets sacked, they hire new one and we start this nonsense again. Plus if they're thinking long term, it's not granted that players they pick will suit new manager's system as well. Neither Ferguson nor Mourinho could create a decent squad off Carrolls, Downings and Bebes.
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Why isnt it possible that the transfer happened because consensus was reached with the manager?

Again, you're lebelling it nonsense when there are clear cases of clubs which are implementing the system and being very successful at it. Whoever does it at Pool might be doing a bad job for all I care, its you labelling the DoF system nonsense that I dont agree with.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Some interesting stuff said by Evans and Barrett recently.

  • Sturridge was originally vetoed by Rodgers the summer before we signed him. This caused the board to lose faith in him in the market.
  • Aspas and Alberto weren't Rodgers' signings.
  • Rodgers wanted defenders last summer and was left disappointed when the transfer committee focus seemed to be on an attacker.
  • Rodgers is negotiating a new deal. Very likely he asks for more control re. transfers.
  • Board want to sanction big spend in the summer.
  • And for those that haven't seen (it was announced a few days ago) Borrell has joined City's academy.
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Should do very well there, makes no difference though if the City manager doesn't want to promote these young players and give them a chance.
 
Sky1981 said:
I'm not sure, haven't followed Spurs, but Bale was bought under DoF right?

Plus they weren't doing to bad on the table, so they must have been going in the right direction. The thing is, there's not many managers you can trust with years of rebuilding, if they're good they might move, if they're bad there's no point trusting them with 10+ years project. We and Arsenal are blessed with longevity manager, but smaller teams who cuts and chops might do better with a DoF (supposedly they're not utter bellend)

Not to mention, that if the DOF is in charge of the youth, he's not bound into performing (football wise) so he can patiently implement a long term (10+ years) youth program without needing to deliver on yearly basis, something most managers can't focus on, since they will probably trying to make sure they don't get the sack in the first place.
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Varun_Utd said:
Why isnt it possible that the transfer happened because consensus was reached with the manager?

Again, you're lebelling it nonsense when there are clear cases of clubs which are implementing the system and being very successful at it. Whoever does it at Pool might be doing a bad job for all I care, its you labelling the DoF system nonsense that I dont agree with.
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It seems that I've failed to put my point across I think, was early in the morning and just woke up. I don't mind the DoF + manager system itself, it works very well in BVB ( I think I've mentioned it ) but I think that when you hear from two separate managers in the Premier League that they're getting players that were 'not their transfers' then something is going wrong in those clubs.

Sky, sure, Bale was bought under DoF but not under AVB who was the one that complained about players not being his, therefore I said that it hasn't worked well for them. He was unhappy with the players plus out of 11(?) players Spuds bought this summer, two are good buys, rest

Eboue said:
This seems like a bit of an overreaction.
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Please stop dissing me Eboue. Thank you.
 
Most of those seem to be one very high scoring player and ....someone else in the team who scored about 14.

Were Ronaldo & Tevez ever a "duo"...Were Drogba & Lampard for that matter?
 
I thought their bubble would burst, but it just hasn't and fair fecks to them. They are great to watch. If it's not us taking the league (however unlikely) then I hope they do.

Will be interesting to see if Suarez hangs about now after such an impressive season for the club.
 
Probably the best side on current form. Thought that was the best Liverpool have played at OT in my time of watching football. Much better than that 4-1.

Their pressing is really impressive.
 
I keep telling myself that some kind of normality will come back next season, it really has to. I refuse to believe that Liverpool are as good as this season has portrayed.
 
redman5 said:
Not bad I suppose. But Rodgers needs to start doing it against the better sides if he's to be taken seriously. We've yet to beat any of the teams above us in the league this season.
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#FirstWorldProblems

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Looking at their fixture list, they could really do this. Their two toughest games are against city and Chelsea and both are at home. And Chelsea play arsenal soon which will see them gain on one or both of those sides. feck :(
 
I'm bemused by the chatter about how Liverpool are finally 'back' after decades. By my count this is the fourth time they've managed to mount a proper title challenge in the PL (one under each of their decent managers) and they're not nearly as good as they were the last time they came close.

The media are going on like they've been finishing seventh for twenty years, it's very strange.

edit: For reference; Evans 1997, Houllier 2002, Rafa 2009, Rodgers 2014. If there were others they weren't very memorable.
 
peterstorey said:
They've got the momentum that takes sides to the title at the right time. I don't think they'll do it because that shitty back 5 will get found out.
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By whom though? They have a good set of fixtures left, cant see them dropping too many points.
 
Chabon said:
I'm bemused by the chatter about how Liverpool are finally 'back' after decades. By my count this is the fourth time they've managed to mount a proper title challenge in the PL (one under each of their decent managers) and they're not nearly as good as they were the last time they came close.

The media are going on like they've been finishing seventh for twenty years, it's very strange.

edit: For reference; Evans 1997, Houllier 2002, Rafa 2009, Rodgers 2014. If there were others they weren't very memorable.
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Echoes of Manchester United during your league title barren years : 1976 3rd place 4 points off the top - 1980 2nd place 2 points off the top - 1992 2nd place 4 points off the top.

As we all now know, you eventually found the right manager to win that elusive first title (& then some). It might just be possible we might have found our man after numerous false-dawns. United's potential demise, just like ours in the early 90's, could also be a major factor in the future.
 
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