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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I hope he does leave but there really isn't any chance Liverpool will sell. Keeping him last summer was the best thing they could have done and they desperately need to keep the Suarez Sturridge partnership for as long as they can as it's proven to be the best they've had in years. Now they don't need the money and can offer him the Champions League football that was apparently the issue last season, I'd say the chances of him leaving are slim to none unfortunately.
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Champagne. Haha. Hardly anything to celebrate. It is just nice to laugh at another trophyless season for the scousers who have been giving it large even when the season wasnt over. Personally, if United dont win couldnt careless who wins it. But only one set of fans have been giving it big time since the new year. Nice for them to get brought down to earth. Next season normal service will return. Remember last time you bottled the title run in.
If Liverpool do indeed balls this title up I will laugh my arse off. Staying a little reserved until then but if its confirmed soon it will be heaven. True they've played well at times but its no surprise to see Arsenal and Liverpool dominate the top spot when the big 3 of last year all get new managers and Spurs get loads of new signings to bed in post Bale move.
Liverpool though will just tell you they've been the best because they are so much better, yet its their fans who always say all of our title wins are lucky. Think last year the reason was all the rivals were asleep or something like that. And lets be clear, if Pelegrini does come over and win it first season then what will he do next year? Then there's Mourinho and a new manager for us as well, well not Moyes anyway. Spurs we don't know but Arsenal will be Arsenal, weak bottlers.
Liverpool though will just tell you they've been the best because they are so much better, yet its their fans who always say all of our title wins are lucky. Think last year the reason was all the rivals were asleep or something like that. And lets be clear, if Pelegrini does come over and win it first season then what will he do next year? Then there's Mourinho and a new manager for us as well, well not Moyes anyway. Spurs we don't know but Arsenal will be Arsenal, weak bottlers.
win or lose Liverpool will be a force next season. Rodgers would have learned from his mistakes.
My biggest concern is their depth, but as a real positive they have a relatively young side/XI that will continue to improve. Their style is great to watch too.
"It's the last thing he hasn't quite achieved for Liverpool, but obviously they've let it SLIP out of their hands"
Extracting the urine quite a bit here big Sam?
I love you Scousers when you're bitter. You just take it all so badly.
It was a SLIP of the tongue on his part....
You are right
He is more headless chicken than Alonso. Though he has improved a bit under Rodgers.
On the contrary, I feel they will struggle with the extra fixtures. Rodgers will have no idea how to handle that. He has basically fielded his best available 11 every game which he might not be able to do with midweek games.
Lol last 5 seasons finishing 7th, 6th, 8th, 7th and now one season where you are 2nd
and Our last 5 seasons of finishing 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd and now after having that disaster Moyes, yes, we finished 7th, which has now been rectified and we already playing better.
and all of a sudden we are declining and you are improving and on the up lol, incase you don't remember, the season before you had that run of finishing 7th, 6th, 8th, 7th.. you finished 2nd and were in the title race too, lol.
Only Liverpool fans could turn those stats into United now being a mid table team (Which I have heard by a lot of Liverpool fans recently.) and Liverpool being the new title challenging force in the PL.
This I do agree with though, you can't big up your own but then mock other peoples pre-PL achievements, either you count all teams pre-PL achievements or none.
Two wins and a loss at home against Sunderland in between sounds exactly like Moyes-esque form to me. Nothing has been totally rectified until United finish higher next season, which I think they will, mind.
As for the style there at too many good players in the squad (not considering new additions) for the team to play rubbish looking football next season.
It would be. This place would be in monumental meltdown. Different kind of entertainment.
Still, I'd like City to win it. And they definitely will.
12-4-1 in last 17 games between them.
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Chelsea and City have more points this season than last. They're better teams this year. Liverpool and Arsenal (assuming we win our last match) would've finished second last year with their points tally. Everton will have 9 more points and Spurs will be just one win behind last season. United are the only team who have got noticeably worse.
I was gonna say, everyone gloating about Liverpool getting ahead of themselves and now they've blown it and lost the title and it's all hilarious and funny pictures of Gerrard heartbreak etc, admittedly I did to... but City haven't beaten West Ham yet.
Remember West Ham are coming off a 2-0 win over Tottenham in which they outplayed Spurs.
Also the likes of Carol, Downing, Noble etc on their day can do some damage.
I know City at home is a different prospect to Spurs but lets not forget how close we came after being in an almost identical situation to Liverpool 2 years ago with City at home sure to win against QPR..
I believe they will do it, but I won't truly celebrate and laugh (
) until the final whistle with a West Ham loss or draw.
If City bottle it and Liverpool win it, mark my words, we will NEVER hear the end of it, especially after how we carried on after the Chelsea loss/Palace draw.... please god no it can't happen
Remember West Ham are coming off a 2-0 win over Tottenham in which they outplayed Spurs.
Also the likes of Carol, Downing, Noble etc on their day can do some damage.
I know City at home is a different prospect to Spurs but lets not forget how close we came after being in an almost identical situation to Liverpool 2 years ago with City at home sure to win against QPR..
I believe they will do it, but I won't truly celebrate and laugh (
) until the final whistle with a West Ham loss or draw.If City bottle it and Liverpool win it, mark my words, we will NEVER hear the end of it, especially after how we carried on after the Chelsea loss/Palace draw.... please god no it can't happen
I was gonna say, everyone gloating about Liverpool getting ahead of themselves and now they've blown it and lost the title and it's all hilarious and funny pictures of Gerrard heartbreak etc, admittedly I did to... but City haven't beaten West Ham yet.
Remember West Ham are coming off a 2-0 win over Tottenham in which they outplayed Spurs.
Also the likes of Carol, Downing, Noble etc on their day can do some damage.
I know City at home is a different prospect to Spurs but lets not forget how close we came after being in an almost identical situation to Liverpool 2 years ago with City at home sure to win against QPR..
I believe they will do it, but I won't truly celebrate and laugh (
If City bottle it and Liverpool win it, we will never hear the end of it.... please god no
While we're at it we have to admit that it is also not unthinkable that City draw their game and Liverpool beat Newcastle by enough goals to claim the title on goal difference, 14-0 would suffice and Liverpool on their day could easily score that.
Don't bother, since Moyes people instantly associate a change of a manager with weakening even though Mourinho is clearly the best manager Chelsea have had in the last decade and Pellegrini is significantly better than Mancini too.
I suppose it all depends on what you class as 'fierce competition'. Because of the money involved in the modern game it's now become something of a cartel, with only a handful of clubs across Europe now likely to win the major prizes. In the pre-Premier League era it was a much more of a level playing field whereby a team like Nottingham Forest could scrape through promotion from the old 2nd division, become English champions 12 months later, & then be European champions for the following 2 years.
The passion & excitement was still as prominent as it is today. In fact I speak to quite a few United fans of a similar age, & they feel the game in general was much better - from a supporters point of view - back then, even though it was a barren time for the club in terms of success. There was always an air of unpredictability about it, pretty much the same way Liverpool's rise this season has caught many people out. Back then it was commonplace for a team to rise, or fall, quite dramatically in a short space of time. Manchester United went from being European champions in 1968, to getting relegated just 6 years later. Because of their massive financial power, such a scenario is highly unlikely to happen again. Which is good news for United fans, but not so good for the game itself.
It'll be interesting to see what the future holds for football as we know it now. I firmly believe there'll be a point when it slowly returns back to its roots after the allure for the big-money guys starts to wear off. It'll never quite go back to how it was, but I think the financial foundations on which some clubs are built will start to crumble, & the likes of Real Madrid will go through another lengthy spell in the European wilderness just like they did after their huge financial resources helped them win their first 4 or 5 European Cups.
You actually did put in a few good performances under Moyes. Unfortunately, you never really did it against the better sides. Beating Norwich & Hull at home is not really a good indicator of things returning to normality is it ?
This isn't a case of a Liverpool supporter manipulating the stats to skew the real picture. It's how it is. We're currently a much better side than Manchester United. It certainly makes Fergie's comments that we needed 8 players to be as good as United seem a little bit silly now. Wouldn't you agree ?
I'd argue that you had a much better manager than us. You also played 14 matches than Chelsea or City and I think that's the reason why you challenged for the title. I don't want to take anything away from your title challenge this season as nobody would've given you a chance to come close to the title whilst playing attacking football but if you don't win the title this season then I think it's a very big opportunity lost for you guys.
We'll have a very good manager next season with loads of money to spend. City and Chelsea will be there as usual.
Liverpool will be up there next season imo. Their attacking side is so potent that more often than not they will brush away the smaller sides with ease.
Our squad depth, or lack of it, will be rectified when our loaned players return back to the club in the summer. It's a myth that clubs need 20+ players to be able to compete on 3 or 4 fronts. I proved that by showing that United in 1999 & 2008, only used about 15 or 16 players to play the vast majority of games in which they won the league & CL ( plus the FA Cup in 99). We have a good core of about 14 players that could be classed as first-teamers. I'd like to see us sign another good attacking midfielder, along with a first-class striker/winger. A decent full-back would help too. A club needs luck with injuries though - something that Arsenal didn't have this season - but you can't really legislate for such things when buying players to strengthen a squad.
I said the same in 1992 when United blew the chance to win their first league title in 25 years. Unbeknown to me, & everyone else it seems, you had a bright young British manager who'd go on to great things at Manchester United. My point being, is that we'll strengthen too, & for all you know, we could get even better under Rodgers. You actually 'need' a new manager. & you actually 'need' quite a few new players to get United back into the mix. There's no absolute guarantee that the aforementioned needs will be fully addressed next season.
Does anyone see Cleverley pulling off a Hendersonesque improvement under LvG? (Before that question is met with derision, don't forget that Henderson's stock was rock bottom when Rodgers took over at Liverpool, and there was talk he'd be sold).
No. He's shit scared of everything that happens on a football field so I see him getting worse under the pressure of playing under LvG if anything.
If you're saying he's shit scared, that implies he lacks confidence. That's something LvG could rectify. Given LvG's preference for 4-3-3 and technically proficient footballers, plus his penchant for developing players, don't think him doing a (good) job on Cleverley is implausible.
You also 'needed' good players at the end of last season and yet you're challenging for the title without none of your summer signings making a great impact. Good managers tend to make players play above their ability.
I think the are joint second with Drogba and lampard in the deadliest premier league duo's on 51 goals which is incredible.
What are you doing here? Are you trying to make sense? Get out of here with all that sensible talk. We need 11 Messis to compete again, don't you know that!
I don't think so. He seems massively like a confidence player. LvG might just be the guy who can spur him on.
Not really a stupid thing to say considering at the time you were finishing like I said, 7th, 6th, 8th, 7th, couldn't get in the Champions League and were really not playing well. Meanwhile we were finishing 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd and making several champions league finals.
It's the same that's happening with us now though too, dodgy manager and one season out of top 4 coming off being champions and all of a sudden we need to sell 10+ players and buy AT LEAST 6 according to just about everyone who talks about United.
And yes you have been the better side than us this season, it was never disputed, I'm just saying we were champions last year and have been finishing 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd and now one bad season and according to a lot of Liverpool fans I have seen/spoken to claim we are now a midtable team yet you have one good season out of 5 midtable seasons and you now a force in Europe again, not everything is based off one season.
Next season will be a big indicator and very interesting with us having a new manager and seeing if you guys can launch another challenge.
The League is much more competitive than in those days, very different situations.
I'm keeping my mouth shut until City have won it. Football has a habit of biting you on the arse.
We signed our good players in January of last year (Coutinho & Sturridge). This resulted in us having a very good 2nd half of the season, which, of course, has followed onto this season. Add to that the fact we had a very good manager already in place, so it's not really a surprise that we've made the top 4 with relative ease this year. There's a marked difference between 7th place Liverpool of 12 months ago, & 7th place Manchester United of now.
Flash in the pan. When Suarez goes the game is up.
Yes, we currently have no manager therefore it is plausible to argue we need a new manager.
We seem to be talking about a new manager coming in and conducting operations in his first season in charge, we just so happen to be after a man who in his first season took Bayern Munich to the league championship, won the domestic cup and reached the champions league final, this despite the season previously Munich weren't able to win even Bundesliga. A man who took over a Barcelona side that hadn't won La Liga in three seasons and he won both the league title and copa del rey with them in his first attempt.
The fact we are probably going into next season with Louis van Gaal as opposed to David Moyes is a good thing therefore the fact we 'need' a new manager is also a good thing and I wouldn't worry too much about United not getting better under him next season.
As for needing quite a few new players to get United back into the mix, I get the feeling Louis van Gaal would call it 'a stupid point I think'. There is no harm in spending and getting a number of top quality players however if we had only a normal transfer window like most other clubs (about 2 or 3 very good players) then we would without a doubt be in the mix for the championship.
You can try to strengthen your team and you can try to get even better under Rodgers if you want however I would not trade United's position for Liverpool's. I think there is more chance Louis van Gaal will be the next Louis van Gaal (so do at United what he is known for doing and that's laying foundations on which great teams are built) than Rdogers' will be the next Alex Ferguson.
That's not the point I was making though. Which was that Manchester United had a very good young manager in place, who went on to becoming the best in the world. In retrospect, he'd have been successful regardless, & irrespective, of how competitive the league was/is. The hope for us Liverpool fans, is that Rodgers can evolve & improve as a manager, & take the team up to the level required to be fighting for the title on a regular basis.
Chris Bascombe in this morning's Telegraph is linking Liverpool strongly with '£25m-rated' Lallana ('prime target'), and an £8m bid for Steven Caulker.
He also says that Liverpool will be looking to make a minimum of 4 additions this summer.
He also says that Liverpool will be looking to make a minimum of 4 additions this summer.
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