You're having an absolute meltdown here. God knows how you'll react to tomorrow's inevitable let-down, mate.
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You're having an absolute meltdown here. God knows how you'll react to tomorrow's inevitable let-down, mate.
Of course it was. Liverpool fans are the only set of fans I've seen argue otherwise.
Just pray he devises a plan B for next season or the CL run will be very short lived.
Shut it - they've already been punctured. The only way is up, unlikely though it may be (City 50/1 on).
Have you spoke to a Liverpool fan this week, Pete? They're all expecting a City bottle job tomorrow.
I'm genuinely stumped for words when dealing with such folk. I can't wait for the Sky cameras to pan to the Kop when City score their first, second, third and fourth goals tomorrow. Worth the Sky subscription alone for that pleasure.
Don't tempt fate. I had £200 on Milan to win the CL and couldn't be arsed to lay it off at HT, preferring to get another beer.
That is far from true.
Obviously, you learned your lesson from last week with bullish statements. You won't repeat the mistake. Plus, you won't want to give us more ammunition to toss at you for the foreseeable future.
I've spoken to four Liverpool fans in person this week and all are confident "Big Andy" will do you a favour.
Mental cases.
So a sample size of four people is enough to say that we're all expecting a City bottle job? You're also the last one that should be criticising supporters for being optimistic considering you thought you were going to win the league in November or December still.
Ever the optimist, I still think we'll win the league and I don't mind being laughed at for predictions.
My favourite Fergie sides of the early 90's were also restricted by the foreigner-rule which would have classed some of Liverpool's best players from the British Isles, as ineligible to play.
Seeing Schmikes or Eric sat in the stands, because Giggs and McClair were classed as foreign, was something Paisley never had to deal with.
Paisley was a great manager and a great man, but simplistic comparisons do noone any favours.
Seeing Schmikes or Eric sat in the stands, because Giggs and McClair were classed as foreign, was something Paisley never had to deal with.
Paisley was a great manager and a great man, but simplistic comparisons do noone any favours.
Don't go there!
You're rightfully proud. As a United-supporter I sometimes forget that others are just happy with getting anywhere near the top. I didn't mean to falsely accuse you of having ambitions. Sorry...
Yep. Some of them wernt even full time professionals.
That was due to the amount they were paid.
They didnt have tiny squads relative to any of the big clubs. Squads were smaller back then.
Liverpool could pick as many foreign players as they liked. Itialian,Spanish and German clubs were restricted to between one and two foreign players. Hence English domination for the late 70s early 80s.
It was a huge restriction.
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Dunno if you're being sarcastic, but Liverpool wouldn't score 14 goals in that game in a year of sundays.
He's having a dig at me.
Ah lovely, carry on Sarni.
Oh yeah, all those Spanish and Italians that furnished those Liverpool sides. Such an advantage.
The bitterness is rising up across the Liverpool threads, it's a bit daft really, we've taken a hell of a lot of stick this season (rightly so) and it's now Liverpool's turn, take it on the chin you mard arses, you've been incredibly fortunate to be in this position this season and going into the final day there's still a chance. Best focusing on that rather United's slip this season and the Paisley V Sir Alex Ferguson debate.
Scots,Irish,Welsh,Zimbabweans are all non English.
Liverpool had 10 foreigners in their match-day squad for the 84 final. Roma had 2.
Well no, but they were full of Irishmen, Scotch, Welsh and even the likes of Australians and Americans I think(?). Players who were allowed in the 70s and 80s but were forbidden under the foreigner rules in Fergie's early years at Man Utd
So if the CL is so hard to win/dominate under the present format, how did Barcelona win it 3 times in 6 years, & with 2 different managers ? After all, Ferguson's United had an awful lot going for them well before the great Barca side came onto the scene - The big financial rewards from the PL, & from regular participation in the CL. A crop of world-class youngsters all coming through the ranks at the same time. The ability to pretty much blow most other teams out of the water when it came to signing top class players. & a manager who'd been at the same club far longer than most, & had had plenty of opportunity to put in place a style, & a system, to be seen in the same way the world looked at that brilliant Barcelona team.
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Anyone ?
So what great Aussie & Yank footballers did Fergie miss out on then ?
We did dominate. We broke numerous record for home and away form. We fell short a few times against world class opposition in a cup format. If you look at it just purely from results we were dominant for a few years. But if you can't understand how tough it is to win the CL consistently then you really have been out of Europe too long, you'll remember soon.
Scots, Irish, Welsh were never considered foreign in the eyes of Uefa as far as I am aware.
Anyway, what's the point of this debate? Presumably to run down Liverpool's achievement of five ECs. If so, bit small time.
Fact is, in that era Liverpool were the best team in Europe and to suggest it was because of the foreigner ruling is the best one I've heard since "it was down to the back pass".
Barcelona were, and still are, blessed with Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. That's a large part of why they won it 3 times in 6 years.
They weren't for the first one. Those 3 didnt start playing well together consistently till 08/09.
They were.
Indeed, some people have resorted to passing themselves off as experts of 1970s football to diminish EC wins.
Do you not see the irony of this line given the opening comment of your post?
Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Keane, RVN, plus a few others, were all about before those 3 came to prominence.
Fair enough. Genuinely question, have you got a source?
I mean in 2007-2010
Longest away undefeated run
The record for the longest away unbeaten run stands at 16 games and is held by [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]]. The run began with a 1–0 win against [[Sporting Clube de Portugal]] in the [[2007–08 UEFA Champions League|2007–08]] group stage. It lasted until the 3–2 win against [[A.C. Milan|Milan]] at the [[San Siro|Giuseppe Meazza]] in the first leg of the first knockout stage [[2009–10 UEFA Champions League|2009–10]]. The run ended with a 1–2 defeat to Bayern in the first leg of the quarter final [[2009–10 UEFA Champions League|2009–10]]. During this run [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]] were beaten 2–0 by [[FC Barcelona|Barcelona]] in the [[2009 UEFA Champions League Final|2009 final]]. This game, however, was at a neutral venue and as such is not classified as an away game.
Longest undefeated run
The record for the longest unbeaten run stands at 25 games and is held by [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]]. It began with a 1–0 away win against [[Sporting Clube de Portugal]] in their opening group stage game in [[2007–08 UEFA Champions League group stage#Group F|2007–08]] and finished with a 3–1 away win against [[Arsenal F.C.|Arsenal]] in the second leg of the semi-final in [[2008–09 UEFA Champions League|2008–09]]. The 25 game unbeaten streak ended with a 0–2 loss to [[FC Barcelona|Barcelona]] in the [[2009 UEFA Champions League Final|2009 final]].
This broke the previous record of 20 consecutive games unbeaten by [[AFC Ajax|Ajax]], which began with a 0–0 home draw against [[F.C. Porto]] in the second leg of the first round in [[1985–86 European Cup#First round|1985–86]], and after an eight-year hiatus from the competition resumed through a 2–0 home win against [[A.C. Milan|Milan]] in their opening group stage game in [[1994–95 UEFA Champions League#Group D|1994–95]] and ended with a 0–1 home loss to [[Panathinaikos F.C.|Panathinaikos]] in the first leg of the semi-final in [[1995–96 UEFA Champions League#Semi-finals|1995–96]].
The third longest run is 19 by [[FC Bayern Munich|Bayern Munich]], which began with a 1–0 home win against [[Arsenal F.C.|Arsenal]] on matchday six of the second group stage in [[2000–01 UEFA Champions League#Group C 2|2000–01]], and ended with a 0–2 away loss to [[Real Madrid C.F.|Real Madrid]] in the second leg of the quarter-finals in [[2001–02 UEFA Champions League|2001–02]].
True, but before that they were much better defensively and still had Ronaldinho
and Eto'o to call upon.True, they had so many great players over the years. They are the most dominant club of the last decade imo. For me the guardiola team was better than the rijkaard team, but both are a different class to many teams. Two of the best teams ever imo, its definitely the case with the guardiola team.True, but before that they were much better defensively and still had Ronaldinho
I don't think there can be any genuine debate between the European Cup and Champions League. Each were/are great trophies to win in their own right but the Champions League is certainly harder to win.
British teams have suffered this restriction more than others because England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are regarded as separate countries by Uefa.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/relief-at-end-of-foreigner-rule-1526032.html