Really? When we had our green and gold campaign, you think it effected the players? I really saw no difference in our play apart from a lot of multicolored scarves in the stadium. If the fans start booing, of course it effects but them having no unity over the owner issue is something which should not pass on to the players. If anything, the uncertainty which surrounded the club was what could have effected the on pitch performances, not a bunch of fans fighting among themselves.
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Really? When we had our green and gold campaign, you think it effected the players? I really saw no difference in our play apart from a lot of multicolored scarves in the stadium. If the fans start booing, of course it effects but them having no unity over the owner issue is something which should not pass on to the players. If anything, the uncertainty which surrounded the club was what could have effected the on pitch performances, not a bunch of fans fighting among themselves.
I think more to the point is, no matter what the fans think and thought, Fergie didn't let it become an issue to the players. Rafa did the exact opposite - he actively forced it to become an issue with the players in fact.
Basically this. Rafa brought it into the dressing room to take the fight to the owners. The fans bickering had nothing to do with it. I don't know why 'pool fans bring it up as some sort of major difference from last time.
Totally agree the glazer era has been one of United fans most torn period, with groups of fans all across the spectrum, it also happens to coincide with one of uniteds most successful periods on the pitch. Not saying the glazers have had anything to do with the success but certainly fans issues don't have to impact success.
I'd talk with trepidation being Liverpool fans, yes you have had a wonderful season.
But don't forget 08/09, great season, pushed us all the way, top at Christmas, finished 2nd.
Next 4 seasons went thusly:
7th, 6th, 8th, 7th..
I think you have a better core of players now but it just shows anything can happen.
That includes us too, us being back to our normal top 4, title-chasing selves isn't guaranteed either.
But don't forget 08/09, great season, pushed us all the way, top at Christmas, finished 2nd.
Next 4 seasons went thusly:
7th, 6th, 8th, 7th..
I think you have a better core of players now but it just shows anything can happen.
That includes us too, us being back to our normal top 4, title-chasing selves isn't guaranteed either.
Our owners were miles worse than the Glazers. They nearly took us into administration. We were days away.
Yes they were. But that is what I meant when I said uncertainty surrounding the club. The fans bickering does not effect the team. The idea that the club could go into administration does.
He had five months which were irrelevant to anything and then a great season, that's my point. Calling that a great 18 month period is a push in my opinion. It was as irrelevant to Dalglish's crap following season as it was to Rodgers great following season.
But Rodgers has been in place for 24 months, surely the seasons must be viewed in context, his first season was work in progress, moving out some dross, sorting tactics, stopping his obsession with possession and tika taka type football. His second season he's been excellent with a fortunate series of events (no injuries, events at other teams), it's like looking at the title run in against Chelsea, palace and Newcastle and saying Liverpool weren't all that great when in fact they'd just come of an amazing run.
Whichever way you cut it, Rodgers had an average and exceptional season,
Barneylfc, you are suggesting that 2013/14 is the exception, therefore 2014/15 is the norm.
Because of the sharp downfall in revenue caused by the downturn in form stemming from Benitez's misguided outbursts. When the Glazers first came in United had $1bn+ of debt! Any failure on the pitch in the early days could have been truly catastrophic, but Fergie didn't let it happen
Why thanks very much. Same to you too. You certainly deserved it far more than we did.
But it didn't happen though, & that's why your 'green & gold' protest was simply a token gesture in relation to our ousting of the 2 tumours that had gotten hold of our club.
The only reason the two tumors were ousted was because they couldn't make their interest payments. Nothing to do with email campaigns.
They won the charity shield and they won the race for 7th place. Come on redman, don't play down their achievement
Very true. Liverpool revisionism is among the most peculiar things in the natural world.
It's bizarre.
Oh but it was though. We put pressure on banks & sponsors which resulted in them slamming the doors shut on H&G every time they tried to refinance. Hence the reason they labelled us as 'internet terrorists'.
You get worse. One whole season of finishing above United and you lot think you have made it and are only going to get better while United stagnate or decline furher. If you actually won something it might actually mean something.
I wasn't being entirely serious.
Laugh all you want mate, but our campaign achieved it's objective. Have you still you got your green & gold scarf by any chance ?
Now that was truly laughable. Talk about half-arsed.
Saying things like this makes you look silly. You would have happily taken the Community shield and cited it as a trophy, if you had even won either of the competitions that entitle you to be a part of it. Also, 7th was a decent finish for you a couple seasons ago so being a dick about us finishing 7th once under a Judas of management is stupid. If we had been our normal selves this season would Liverpool have even finished in the top 4?
Again, I wasn't being serious. 7th has never been considered a decent finish for us.
If Fergie had told the United fans that the owners were a cancer, they likely would have done the same. Benitez let the players get distracted, which led to reduced performances, which led to reduced income, which led to more discontent, which led to that hilarious raping your whole family video you gimps made, which led to the owners not being able to make the payments. If Benitez had kept his mouth shut and got on with it, maybe you wouldn't have dropped out of the top 4? Maybe they would have continued to make the interest payments? Maybe Liverpool would even have won the league by now
But thanks to Agent Benitez, it all went tits up
Fair enough.
EDIT: what i mean't by decent finish was that you improved from the season before.
I'm quite comfortable with our season. History shows us that it's nothing more than a 1 off freak. Much like yours.
If Fergie had told the United fans that the owners were a cancer, they likely would have done the same. Benitez let the players get distracted, which led to reduced performances, which led to reduced income, which led to more discontent, which led to that hilarious raping your whole family video you gimps made, which led to the owners not being able to make the payments. If Benitez had kept his mouth shut and got on with it, maybe you wouldn't have dropped out of the top 4? Maybe they would have continued to make the interest payments? Maybe Liverpool would even have won the league by now
But thanks to Agent Benitez, it all went tits up
Oh well that clears it all up. Thanks for simplifying it . Don't know we bothered really, seeing as we could have been champions had Rafa still been manager, & H&G still had the club knee-deep in debt.
I feel really foolish now.
Interesting to note the staggering drop in Liverpool fans in the past 2-3 weeks. Prior to the Chavs game it was a bit ridiculous, now we have less than half of them involved in discussions.
I don't see how thats funny. He's comfortable with the notion that this season was an anomaly. He's not comfortable with losing, he's comfortable with the belief that it won't happen again.
Lets also not forget how your fans willingly whored themselves out when the two took over, 'our Yanks are better than your Yanks' someone once said. Wonder who that was.
All in the hope that they might sugar daddy you to the title (something that your deluded fanbase now criticizes City for).
All in the hope that they might sugar daddy you to the title (something that your deluded fanbase now criticizes City for).
A lot of people felt that United would struggle once Fergie called it a day, & as it stands, there's been nothing to say that they weren't wrong. Oh I can certainly understand your defiance, being top of the pile for so long has that effect. However, your reasoning, optimism, & opinions, mean about as much as those I quoted from the start of this thread in relation to Liverpool's chances of getting into the top 4. You can only 'hope' things will improve dramatically. Putting it down on a football forum means jack-shit in the grand scheme of things.
There is one reason why the yanks failed and that is because they tried to do what the Glaziers did/are doing with United. The difference is Liverpool didnt have the infastructure, stadium and success to be able to pull it off. They simply didnt have the resources to cope, they needed to spend money to get back but didnt make enough money to sustain it. They go on about FFP, City, Chelsea etc etc spending owers money, buying the league when its what Liverpool were doing themsleves, they were spending money they didnt really have and couldnt recoup it. They didnt build on their success when they were at the top. Its like they just assumed they were going to stay there no matter what. The new yanks are/have changed things but they have a long way to catch up.
True, for what its worth I thought Liverpool might replace Arsenal in the premier league top 4 this year. I never expected us to have such a fall from grace though, regardless of the desperately underwhelming appointment of our manager because he was Scottish.
I've been around for a long time mate, & football never, ever, ceases to surprise me. It's the reason we come back for more week after week, month after month, & year after year. Hope springs eternal in the hearts of all football supporters. There's every chance, that with the right manager, United could be challenging for the title again next season. There's also every chance that this could be a one-off as far as Liverpool are concerned. But the only guarantee I can give, is that we'll all be here again at the start of the next season, with that hope burning fiercely in our hearts.
A lot of people also predicted our downfall before every single season, even when SAF was there, I'm sure that they'll all be saying 'told you so' now too. Fergie retiring was always going to be a dark day for the club, but we've made the transition far more difficult than it should have been by hiring a manager that wasn't fit be mentioned in the same breath him. Yeah those people weren't wrong, but it shouldn't have turned out the way it did.
The Dippers are chipper in this thread.
Let them enjoy their moment in the sun. Fact is, despite their best season in years, a tonne of goals, no distractions in other competitions, they completely fecked it up when it was in their own hands.
They're on here now, saying that it's been a great season, but deep down, they know they let it slip.
Next season, Chelsea and City will be right up there. United will benefit from no European participation and a top manager. I think Arsenal have the ability to do something too, but a lot will depend on whether they can avoid the annual injury crisis - unless Wenger changes something, it's likely they'll suffer the same fate as normal.
Liverpool will finish 5th.
Let them enjoy their moment in the sun. Fact is, despite their best season in years, a tonne of goals, no distractions in other competitions, they completely fecked it up when it was in their own hands.
They're on here now, saying that it's been a great season, but deep down, they know they let it slip.
Next season, Chelsea and City will be right up there. United will benefit from no European participation and a top manager. I think Arsenal have the ability to do something too, but a lot will depend on whether they can avoid the annual injury crisis - unless Wenger changes something, it's likely they'll suffer the same fate as normal.
Liverpool will finish 5th.
Funnily enough that was my reaction when I watched you lot blow you're chance at winning the league for the first time in 25 years. Here's to another 25.
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