Liverpool

Feed Me said:
The Dippers are chipper in this thread.

Let them enjoy their moment in the sun. Fact is, despite their best season in years, a tonne of goals, no distractions in other competitions, they completely fecked it up when it was in their own hands.

They're on here now, saying that it's been a great season, but deep down, they know they let it slip.

Next season, Chelsea and City will be right up there. United will benefit from no European participation and a top manager. I think Arsenal have the ability to do something too, but a lot will depend on whether they can avoid the annual injury crisis - unless Wenger changes something, it's likely they'll suffer the same fate as normal.

Liverpool will finish 5th.
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Along with many united fan assumptions that everyone will get better and everything will be alright on the night for United except for us of course, Liverpool. Look, I'm pretty sure you won't have a disastrous season like the one you've just gone through, but this whole 'benefiting' thing from not being in Europe, just because it worked in our favour is not a given. Making comparisons with our team who carried momentum from the back end off the last season under a new manager that introduced younger players is far different from the state your squad is in.

Because we've finished 2nd, it's all of a sudden become set up for us to fail and we will feck off back into mediocrity in many united eyes. I'm not crystal balling anything here unlike some, but I expect us to be a stronger squad for next season and be at least challenging in the top four again. We may not be as close this time, but to suggest we will be out of top 4 completely is absurd. I think some attitudes may change in this thread come July if we sign some quality players, and then the evaluation can begin.
 
Cheech Wizard said:
Making comparisons with our team who carried momentum from the back end off the last season under a new manager that introduced younger players is far different from the state your squad is in.
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That's the crucial bit - Liverpool were amazing towards the end of the last season, in fact right from the start of the year 2014. I still think you may not do as well as you did this season. You'll of course be fighting for the top 4 and probably securing it, it's probably between us and Arsenal to secure the other top 4 spot. I'm confident we'll do better than Arsenal though, to be honest.
 
Cheech Wizard said:
Along with many united fan assumptions that everyone will get better and everything will be alright on the night for United except for us of course, Liverpool. Look, I'm pretty sure you won't have a disastrous season like the one you've just gone through, but this whole 'benefiting' thing from not being in Europe, just because it worked in our favour is not a given. Making comparisons with our team who carried momentum from the back end off the last season under a new manager that introduced younger players is far different from the state your squad is in.

Because we've finished 2nd, it's all of a sudden become set up for us to fail and we will feck off back into mediocrity in many united eyes. I'm not crystal balling anything here unlike some, but I expect us to be a stronger squad for next season and be at least challenging in the top four again. We may not be as close this time, but to suggest we will be out of top 4 completely is absurd. I think some attitudes may change in this thread come July if we sign some quality players, and then the evaluation can begin.
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The state of our squad? We are 4 players short of having one of the best squads in Europe. The problem is is that two of those players are central midfielders which is a significant issue. Fix that and it takes the pressure off the rest of the squad.

This squad should never have finished 7 and it's only through gross mismanagement that it did.
 
Cheech Wizard said:
Along with many united fan assumptions that everyone will get better and everything will be alright on the night for United except for us of course, Liverpool. Look, I'm pretty sure you won't have a disastrous season like the one you've just gone through, but this whole 'benefiting' thing from not being in Europe, just because it worked in our favour is not a given. Making comparisons with our team who carried momentum from the back end off the last season under a new manager that introduced younger players is far different from the state your squad is in.

Because we've finished 2nd, it's all of a sudden become set up for us to fail and we will feck off back into mediocrity in many united eyes. I'm not crystal balling anything here unlike some, but I expect us to be a stronger squad for next season and be at least challenging in the top four again. We may not be as close this time, but to suggest we will be out of top 4 completely is absurd. I think some attitudes may change in this thread come July if we sign some quality players, and then the evaluation can begin.
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Kinel, sounds pretty spot on. You can read my tealeaves anyday!
 
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Cheech Wizard said:
Along with many united fan assumptions that everyone will get better and everything will be alright on the night for United except for us of course, Liverpool. Look, I'm pretty sure you won't have a disastrous season like the one you've just gone through, but this whole 'benefiting' thing from not being in Europe, just because it worked in our favour is not a given. Making comparisons with our team who carried momentum from the back end off the last season under a new manager that introduced younger players is far different from the state your squad is in.

Because we've finished 2nd, it's all of a sudden become set up for us to fail and we will feck off back into mediocrity in many united eyes. I'm not crystal balling anything here unlike some, but I expect us to be a stronger squad for next season and be at least challenging in the top four again. We may not be as close this time, but to suggest we will be out of top 4 completely is absurd. I think some attitudes may change in this thread come July if we sign some quality players, and then the evaluation can begin.
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I'm not assuming we'll benefit from not being in Europe just because it worked out for Liverpool - I just happen to believe that having less distractions and more free weeks to prepare will benefit us. When you appoint a philosophy-driven manager like LvG (or Rodgers), having the extra prep time is vital in instilling new ideas. And don't forget, despite our awful season, we do possess good depth as it stands, albeit with a few areas of concern, which I'm sure will be addressed with transfers. We already - despite inevitable exits - have a number of 'been there, done that' players - even young lads like DDG, Jones, Smalling, Rafael and Welbeck have medals to fall back on. That's before we even get to the experienced players like RvP, Mata, Rooney, Kagawa, Evans, Carrick, etc. I think there's a lot of under rating going on with our squad.

You're right, we'll be in a better position to judge once a vast chunk of the transfer window has concluded - Rodgers needs to get his acquisitions right this time round though, or at least a great degree better than last summer's dross. I personally think you'll struggle to integrate new players into your side at the same time as coping with Tue-Sat / Wed-Sun / Wed-Sat, or whatever permutations the CL will throw up for you. Massive opportunity missed this season for Liverpool.
 
redman5 said:
Not a chance pal. You'd have been too busy washing those copious brown stains out of your undies by the time the final whistle blew yesterday.
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Final whistle? Your title challenge ended a week ago and was absolutely done and dusted before half time this weekend. You couldn't even be counted on to make it exciting, nevermind making me nervous enough to lose control of my bowels!
 
BarneyLFC said:
Gerrard has been excellent. Not to the level of Toure, but he's been by far and away the 3rd best midfielder in the league (I'd have Ramsey ahead of both even after just half a season).
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I'll give you one thing on Gerrard, he's great at set-pieces. But take them away and he's average at best. Very overrated as a player. I can imagine his teammates see more in him than we do, in terms of motivation, experience, advice, but I don't see any excellence other than set-pieces.
 
Sad Chris said:
I'll give you one thing on Gerrard, he's great at set-pieces. But take them away and he's average at best. Very overrated as a player. I can imagine his teammates see more in him than we do, in terms of motivation, experience, advice, but I don't see any excellence other than set-pieces.
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Eh? That's nonsense.
 
Sad Chris said:
Well don't be too accurate...otherwise we'd end up having to debate it. Care to explain...
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He hardly has to quantify arguing against something as ridiculous as saying Gerrard is "average at best". Utter nonsense.
 
Carl said:
He hardly has to quantify arguing against something as ridiculous as saying Gerrard is "average at best". Utter nonsense.
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That's the rule? If you both just say so, then that's the truth? Wow...
Btw, I said average at best if you take away his set-pieces.
 
Sad Chris said:
That's the rule? If you both just say so, then that's the truth? Wow...
Btw, I said average at best if you take away his set-pieces.
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It's not a rule, It's common sense. If I said something ridiculous like van Persie was "average at best" I wouldn't expect all the people rightly calling me stupid to back their claims up because it's obvious. Of course he's not average and neither is Gerrard.
 
Carl said:
It's not a rule, It's common sense. If I said something ridiculous like van Persie was "average at best" I wouldn't expect all the people rightly calling me stupid to back their claims up because it's obvious. Of course he's not average and neither is Gerrard.
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I can only repeat: Take away Gerrard's set-pieces and he is average at best. I agree with van Persie not being average, though.
 
Sad Chris said:
I can only repeat: Take away Gerrard's set-pieces and he is average at best. I agree with van Persie not being average, though.
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Going on about set pieces doesn't change a thing. Even minus his set pieces it's ridiculous to suggest he's average at best. Absolute tripe. That means on the absolute top of his game he can only ever be "average" but that actually he's poor-average. Like I said. Nonsense.
 
Carl said:
Going on about set pieces doesn't change a thing. Even minus his set pieces it's ridiculous to suggest he's average at best. Absolute tripe. That means on the absolute top of his game he can only ever be "average" but that actually he's poor-average. Like I said. Nonsense.
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So all you have to try to convince me I'm wrong is: ridiculous, utter nonsense, absolute tripe and nonsense. Nope, I'm not convinced.
 
Sad Chris said:
So all you have to try to convince me I'm wrong is: ridiculous, utter nonsense, absolute tripe and nonsense. Nope, I'm not convinced.
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I don't need to convince you and nor am I trying to. Just like I wouldn't be expected to convinced anyone that Van Persie (to use my prev example) isn't "average at best". Because it's obvious.

There's a saying about arse holes and opinions that's quite appropriate here.
 
Carl said:
I don't need to convince you and nor am I trying to. Just like I wouldn't be expected to convinced anyone that Van Persie (to use my prev example) isn't "average at best". Because it's obvious.

There's a saying about arse holes and opinions that's quite appropriate here.
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Wow, what's wrong? I must have really hurt or upset you. Why do you bother answering if the answer is so obvious and I'm so obviously wrong?
 
Carl said:
He hardly has to quantify arguing against something as ridiculous as saying Gerrard is "average at best". Utter nonsense.
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This.

If in 13 years of watching Gerrard, that's your best assessment of him, there's really no need for a debate.
 
Sad Chris said:
Wow, what's wrong? I must have really hurt or upset you. Why do you bother answering if the answer is so obvious and I'm so obviously wrong?
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Yeah, I'm really hurt and upset. It seems your ability to judge emotions is as good as it is to judge footballers.
 
Donaldo said:
If in 13 years of watching Gerrard, that's your best assessment of him, there's really no need for a debate.
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Carl said:
Yeah, I'm really hurt and upset. It seems your ability to judge emotions is as good as it is to judge footballers.
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You both have not managed to give me one thing Gerrard is better than average at if we leave out set-pieces. I'm starting to understand why some people don't even bother and just poke fun...
I won't bother anymore either.
 
Sad Chris said:
You both have not managed to give me one thing Gerrard is better than average at if we leave out set-pieces. I'm starting to understand why some people don't even bother and just poke fun...
I won't bother anymore either.
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You too have failed to back up your argument with evidence, so why should they need to back up their claims? All you've done is state something in a very basic manner, and acted as if it is a fact.
 
Feed Me said:
The Dippers are chipper in this thread.

Let them enjoy their moment in the sun. Fact is, despite their best season in years, a tonne of goals, no distractions in other competitions, they completely fecked it up when it was in their own hands.

They're on here now, saying that it's been a great season, but deep down, they know they let it slip.

Next season, Chelsea and City will be right up there. United will benefit from no European participation and a top manager. I think Arsenal have the ability to do something too, but a lot will depend on whether they can avoid the annual injury crisis - unless Wenger changes something, it's likely they'll suffer the same fate as normal.

Liverpool will finish 5th.
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Yeah I agree with that and the response will be one way or the other. We could struggle with the disappointment of the fall off in the last 3 games and have an underwhelming season next year or we could go on and let the loss motivate us to expand the squad and motivate the players to win even more. It really depends on the manager for me and how he uses the disappointment of letting the title slip this term. I think we're in good hands.
 
Sad Chris said:
You both have not managed to give me one thing Gerrard is better than average at if we leave out set-pieces. I'm starting to understand why some people don't even bother and just poke fun...
I won't bother anymore either.
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How much of Gerard's games have you watched?
 
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