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I must have missed the draw. ;) A clash in the knock out stages would be more fun though.
It's destiny

We have never played against AS Roma before the 2006-2007 season......then we've played 6 times against them in 12 months

So i guess Liverpool vs Dortmund games next season.....Friendly in August + 2 group stage games + 2 quarter-final games ;)
 
Jordon Ibe scored a hattrick for the u19s. Good to see. It'll be interesting to see if he's in the first team squad next year.
 
I see. :drool: Hope they'll broadcast the friendly somewhere on German TV or that I find a good stream.

As for the CL, it's quite likely that LFC will be in a group with either BVB or another German club (either Schalke or Leverkusen).
 
I see. :drool: Hope they'll broadcast the friendly somewhere on German TV or that I find a good stream.

As for the CL, it's quite likely that LFC will be in a group with either BVB or another German club (either Schalke or Leverkusen).

Aren't Leverkusen in pot 3?
 
Aren't Leverkusen in pot 3?
Depends. IIRC, only one out of the following three need to get knocked out in the CL qualification play offs mid/end of August and they'll be in pot 2: AFC, Porto, Zenit.

If either AFC or Porto miss it, Schalke moves into pot 1. If Zenit miss it, there will be three German clubs in pot 2.

As in any case Chelsea and ManCity are in pot 1 and pot 2, chances for getting a German club increase for Liverpool as you can't make it into pot 2, even if all three mentioned clubs miss it plus Napoli, too.
 
All good managers make tactical & formation changes, but you're mistaking that for a total change in footballing philosophy, & style of play. Ferguson's sides have always had wing-play as a key element of their success. He might have made certain changes for certain matches, but the foundation & format of all United achieved was pretty much the same right throughout his 26 year tenure. Like United, Liverpool's success in the 60's centred around wingers. This carried on into the 70's with Steve Heighway. But towards the end of the decade, this changed as Paisley's team become more compact, & fluid, as a unit, with players often interchanging with each other. Our right back could turn up playing wide out on the left, whilst someone like Alan Hansen would be playing a one-two on the edge of the opposition penalty area. However, their positions would be covered by other team-mates. They had to the flexibility to do this within a framework of team responsibility. This wasn't something we'd do when chasing the game, it became an intrinsic part of our play, & it made us into the formidable team we were under Bob Paisley. It was also a major contributory factor to our success in Europe, as the foreign sides generally deployed a man to man marking system. Which of course was very difficult when the striker you were marking spent a fair bit of time on the half-way line covering for the centre-half who had gone on a foraging run.

I don't think I've ever said Paisley's Liverpool were as good as the recent Barcelona side. But football is evolutionary, & they, like Liverpool, evolved into a side that was feared throughout Europe. Something that Ferguson's United never did. & I'm really sorry to break that to you to. I've been on here giving reasons as to why Liverpool were a dominant European side under Paisley. Whilst a lot of people on here have been giving me excuses as to why United weren't under Ferguson.

Most honest non-wumming Liverpool fans would accept you were not the most exciting of sides during most of your dominant years. Whilst no doubt you frequently won games and won convincingly, watching games from the time can be a dull and tedious experience as matches are filled with long risk-free passages of play where possession is very comfortably maintained between the goalkeeper and outfielders. There are a couple of clips doing the rounds which almost make you chuckle. In one an LFC midfielder has possession at about the half-way line. He looks up but clearly nothing is on in front of him. So he turns and plays a Pirlo-esque lofted through-pass, directly into his keepers hands (expertly splitting his own centre-halves). Fantastic retention of possession, but bloody hell, dull as feck! Why do you think they changed the rules? Liverpool's football was of its time (after all, everybody played under the same rules). But less than 6 years after your 4th European Cup it was outdated and obsolete.

Ferguson was one of the greatest innovators in the modern era of football, where teams were forced to hold possession much higher up the pitch, and football moved on from being a war of attrition to a much more sophisticated and demanding game. He embraced the changes to the game and his sides were amongst the most devastatingly effective around. To say his sides weren't feared is nonsense. No one in Europe would have relished facing United in the late 90's/early 2000s and again in the late 2000s. In most of those years we would have been one of the very worst if not the worst scenario in the draw.
 
Most honest non-wumming Liverpool fans would accept you were not the most exciting of sides during most of your dominant years. Whilst no doubt you frequently won games and won convincingly, watching games from the time can be a dull and tedious experience as matches are filled with long risk-free passages of play where possession is very comfortably maintained between the goalkeeper and outfielders. There are a couple of clips doing the rounds which almost make you chuckle. In one an LFC midfielder has possession at about the half-way line. He looks up but clearly nothing is on in front of him. So he turns and plays a Pirlo-esque lofted through-pass, directly into his keepers hands (expertly splitting his own centre-halves). Fantastic retention of possession, but bloody hell, dull as feck! Why do you think they changed the rules? Liverpool's football was of its time (after all, everybody played under the same rules). But less than 6 years after your 4th European Cup it was outdated and obsolete.

Ferguson was one of the greatest innovators in the modern era of football, where teams were forced to hold possession much higher up the pitch, and football moved on from being a war of attrition to a much more sophisticated and demanding game. He embraced the changes to the game and his sides were amongst the most devastatingly effective around. To say his sides weren't feared is nonsense. No one in Europe would have relished facing United in the late 90's/early 2000s and again in the late 2000s. In most of those years we would have been one of the very worst if not the worst scenario in the draw.

:lol:
 

You think that's funny, here's another one for your enjoyment. Liverpool are winning and time is running out for the opposition, McMahon picks the ball up in midfield. An opposition midfielder closes him down, but not to fear... with all the poise of a modern day (forward-facing) Iniesta, he dribbles backwards towards his own goal, shimmying to dummy the opposition striker who is hopelessly trying to intercept the expert through ball to Grobbelaar. Truly innovative football. What the authorities were thinking trying to rid the game of this type of play (and kill Liverpool as a dominant force) I will never understand.

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You think that's funny, here's another one for your enjoyment. Liverpool are winning and time is running out for the opposition, McMahon picks the ball up in midfield. An opposition midfielder closes him down, but not to fear... with all the poise of a modern day (forward-facing) Iniesta, he dribbles backwards towards his own goal, shimmying to dummy the opposition striker who is hopelessly trying to intercept the expert through ball to Grobbelaar. Truly innovative football. What the authorities were thinking trying to rid the game of this type of play (and kill Liverpool as a dominant force) I will never understand.

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That is piss weak football.
 
Most honest non-wumming Liverpool fans would accept you were not the most exciting of sides during most of your dominant years. Whilst no doubt you frequently won games and won convincingly, watching games from the time can be a dull and tedious experience as matches are filled with long risk-free passages of play where possession is very comfortably maintained between the goalkeeper and outfielders. There are a couple of clips doing the rounds which almost make you chuckle. In one an LFC midfielder has possession at about the half-way line. He looks up but clearly nothing is on in front of him. So he turns and plays a Pirlo-esque lofted through-pass, directly into his keepers hands (expertly splitting his own centre-halves). Fantastic retention of possession, but bloody hell, dull as feck! Why do you think they changed the rules? Liverpool's football was of its time (after all, everybody played under the same rules). But less than 6 years after your 4th European Cup it was outdated and obsolete.

Ferguson was one of the greatest innovators in the modern era of football, where teams were forced to hold possession much higher up the pitch, and football moved on from being a war of attrition to a much more sophisticated and demanding game. He embraced the changes to the game and his sides were amongst the most devastatingly effective around. To say his sides weren't feared is nonsense. No one in Europe would have relished facing United in the late 90's/early 2000s and again in the late 2000s. In most of those years we would have been one of the very worst if not the worst scenario in the draw.
You forgot the back pass , Lord it was tedious watching them play it so much
 
That .gif is brilliant.

Just your average 1980s Liverpool performance.

The football we played in the late '80s was brilliant.

Most honest non-wumming Liverpool fans would accept you were not the most exciting of sides during most of your dominant years. Whilst no doubt you frequently won games and won convincingly, watching games from the time can be a dull and tedious experience as matches are filled with long risk-free passages of play where possession is very comfortably maintained between the goalkeeper and outfielders. There are a couple of clips doing the rounds which almost make you chuckle. In one an LFC midfielder has possession at about the half-way line. He looks up but clearly nothing is on in front of him. So he turns and plays a Pirlo-esque lofted through-pass, directly into his keepers hands (expertly splitting his own centre-halves). Fantastic retention of possession, but bloody hell, dull as feck! Why do you think they changed the rules? Liverpool's football was of its time (after all, everybody played under the same rules). But less than 6 years after your 4th European Cup it was outdated and obsolete.

Ferguson was one of the greatest innovators in the modern era of football, where teams were forced to hold possession much higher up the pitch, and football moved on from being a war of attrition to a much more sophisticated and demanding game. He embraced the changes to the game and his sides were amongst the most devastatingly effective around. To say his sides weren't feared is nonsense. No one in Europe would have relished facing United in the late 90's/early 2000s and again in the late 2000s. In most of those years we would have been one of the very worst if not the worst scenario in the draw.

Half the footballing world today finds Barcelona and Spain boring to watch. When a team dominates a game and wins it comfortably it's natural to find it boring. It's not that exciting for a neutral to watch.

Ferguson was a great manager, but innovation is one thing that he will not be remembered for. His sides were effective, so were ours. Ferguson has also produced many sides that make you want to rip your eyes out. Ferguson's '08 side was perhaps the one time you could say you were feared throughout Europe, but even then you were overtaken by an even better footballing side a year later.
 
Half the footballing world today finds Barcelona and Spain boring to watch. When a team dominates a game and wins it comfortably it's natural to find it boring. It's not that exciting for a neutral to watch.

Ferguson was a great manager, but innovation is one thing that he will not be remembered for. His sides were effective, so were ours. Ferguson has also produced many sides that make you want to rip your eyes out. Ferguson's '08 side was perhaps the one time you could say you were feared throughout Europe, but even then you were overtaken by an even better footballing side a year later.

They changed the rules because of teams like you in the 80's. That's a big difference. No football rules are going to be changed because some people (and it's a small minority, not half of football) find tiki-taka boring.

How do you define innovation? Ferguson's success was built at a time of great change for football. He was one of the first to successfully embrace it and create teams which were designed to take best advantage of it. Other managers/clubs couldn't move with the times and failed miserably. He was forced to be innovative in order to succeed.

So from that we can deduce that the 1999 side which had won an unprecedented treble in English football weren't feared in Europe? It's absolute nonsense. Real Madrid hadn't won the CL in over 10 years. Presumably no one feared drawing them this season then. How do you measure how feared you are across Europe? I prefer the term respect, but I know from the RAWK thread you're all obsessed with fear and how scared people are of you. It would take a fairly naive manager or team not to respect/fear coming up against Ferguson's teams.
 
They changed the rules because of teams like you in the 80's. That's a big difference. No football rules are going to be changed because some people (and it's a small minority, not half of football) find tiki-taka boring.
think you will find the poster was on the button with around half. Tiki taka is so yesterdays news anyway.
 
I don't know anyone that thought Heynckes' Bayern was boring and yet they played possession football too...
 
Surely no one found Peps Barca boring apart from maybe his last season there ? Defiantly the most entertaining team i have seen.
 
A lot who found it boring I don't think appreciate just how hard it is to play like that. Those who understand just how hard it is and how good they were found it a pleasure to watch.
 
What I never got about Liverpool is when they attacked they were almost unstoppable yet their game plan was first and foremost containment.

A book on the history of English football said they were respected but never embraced by the general public and I remember Dalglish glowering at the "machine" comparison similarly Keegan bemoaning the epitaph of being dour "1-0" merchants. True.
 
Surely no one found Peps Barca boring apart from maybe his last season there ? Defiantly the most entertaining team i have seen.

It was labeled boring because they were too good at a certain point. That team of his had the perfect balance between possession and entertainment. Messi and Alves linking up :drool: What a fecking sight that was
 
You think that's funny, here's another one for your enjoyment. Liverpool are winning and time is running out for the opposition, McMahon picks the ball up in midfield. An opposition midfielder closes him down, but not to fear... with all the poise of a modern day (forward-facing) Iniesta, he dribbles backwards towards his own goal, shimmying to dummy the opposition striker who is hopelessly trying to intercept the expert through ball to Grobbelaar. Truly innovative football. What the authorities were thinking trying to rid the game of this type of play (and kill Liverpool as a dominant force) I will never understand.

 
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ws/liverpool-fc-brendan-rodgers-focus-7174159

Lallana, Lovren, Can and Moreno are the names mentioned. I've not seen Can, but the other three I'd be quite happy with. If we can get another winger as well, then it would be a great summer.

I'm not sure if you just picked the rumours about the players you liked or not but I have also seen Liverpool linked with some very ordinary players in the last few days.

Yannick Bolasie? He's fast and impressed in the 3-3 but inconsistent. Would prob just fill in for Victor Moses in the squad.

Nathaniel Clyne, looks a capable right-back but in the games Chambers played I thought Southampton didn't miss Clyne at all so £15-£20m is well over the top.

Michel Vorm, only played half of Swansea's games last season and not nearly as good as the season before. He's decent on the ball which Rodgers likes but he's awfully small for a goalkeeper in the prem.

I realise they may be further down the list but these names aren't the "quality over quantity" that Rodgers talked about.
 
I'm not sure if you just picked the rumours about the players you liked or not but I have also seen Liverpool linked with some very ordinary players in the last few days.

Yannick Bolasie? He's fast and impressed in the 3-3 but inconsistent. Would prob just fill in for Victor Moses in the squad.

Nathaniel Clyne, looks a capable right-back but in the games Chambers played I thought Southampton didn't miss Clyne at all so £15-£20m is well over the top.

Michel Vorm, only played half of Swansea's games last season and not nearly as good as the season before. He's decent on the ball which Rodgers likes but he's awfully small for a goalkeeper in the prem.

I realise they may be further down the list but these names aren't the "quality over quantity" that Rodgers talked about.

Bolasie has been linked with us in the Mirror and the Star. If they told me the sky was blue I'd run outside and check.

I generally only read speculation in the Times, Guardian and the Echo as they're the most reliable.

Clyne is good and you're right, £15m would be well over the top.

Vorm had surgery and was recovering from that iirc.
 

So you've cherry picked a single reaction to a single game of football (not even a Paisley match either), filmed immediately after the match. I've already said your football was of its time - it wasn't until a few years later it would be rendered obsolete. I'm more than aware you frequently won games comfortably, I'm more than aware you beat Nottingham Forest 5-0 once, you post the video every dozen posts or so.
 
Clyne struggled to be first choice for Soton last season.
He did struggle a bit with form but he looks the part imo. If as Barney says we've got Johnson for another year or so I'd like to have Clyne pushing him for his place. I think Clyne has the potential to be better than Johnson and Soton are more likely to lose players should Pochetino go.
 
So you've cherry picked a single reaction to a single game of football (not even a Paisley match either), filmed immediately after the match. I've already said your football was of its time - it wasn't until a few years later it would be rendered obsolete. I'm more than aware you frequently won games comfortably, I'm more than aware you beat Nottingham Forest 5-0 once, you post the video every dozen posts or so.

So which time was that then ? Was it Shankly's time from 1959 - 1974 (3 league titles, 2 FA Cups, 2 UEFA Cups)
Paisley's time from 1974 - 1983 (6 league titles, 3 European Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, 4 League Cups) Fagan's time from 1983-1985 (1 league title, 1 European Cup, 1 League Cup) or Dalgish's time from 1985 -1991 (3 league titles, 2 FA Cups)

You're having an absolute mare on this thread. I imagine a lot of the older United supporters on here must be cringing at your attempts to play down what we achieved during that 31 year time span.

Proper football actually wasn't invented in 1993 you know. & it certainly wasn't invented by Fergie. So if you want to carry on with this debate, & with all your silly theories, then make sure you come well armed & informed.

Good luck.
 
I saw Bolasie in a pre-season at Dulwich Hamlet when he absolutely monstered the poor DH fullback but I thought he was about 20 not 25.

The few times I watched Palace in the Championship Bolasie always outshone Zaha. He's a good player but has probably found his level at a team like Palace as things stand.
 
The few times I watched Palace in the Championship Bolasie always outshone Zaha. He's a good player but has probably found his level at a team like Palace as things stand.

I noticed that too, many Championship teams double marked Zaha, leaving Bolasie space to run at his man, he's dangerous when given space.

He'd be a wildcard for Liverpool to throw on late in games, prob do more than Victor Moses did in fairness.
 
:lol:

How many times did you watch them? Once?

What's funny about watching a few games where I felt Bolasie to be better than Zaha? I never made a comment that Bolasie was the better player throughout the season or that he is currently better.

You seem to be suffering from sort of inferiority complex regards your own player.