Once. They should be doing it the whole game. Memphis should have started, even just to earn me points in the lineup game.
Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread
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Yes, he's been waistful and selfish for 2 months, the manager stayed patient and now he's on a streak and people use that to blame LvG for selling him. But he will have goal scoring streaks and droughts because that's the kind of striker he is. Leverkusen is a nice club for now he's got through the difficult months, but beeing a useful finisher for Leverkusen doesn't make him a player that should be a regular starter for Utd.
They should be doing it more, of course. But I was just giving a very recent example to the poster who said he couldn't remember one
. Agree about Depay though. I thought for sure he would be starting.That's true. My anger and frustration has scrambled my brain. I actually thought yesterday was one of our better performances. But out last ten games make for dire reading. 7 draws and drawn blanks in 5.
We created decent amount of chances yesterday. And both the tempo and the intensity was fine. There was a serious lack of quality in finishing yesterday. If we create and play with similar tempo in the rest of the games, we will score. The problem is, we don't always do that and become far more cautious. Again partly due to tactics and partly because many of our players are afraid or incapable to do so.
To be honest, I broadly agree with what you're saying. Yesterday I was encouraged by what I saw for the most part. The issues people describe about our current style seem to be hyped up versions of small fragments of what actually happened.
Only one game has actually angered me so far this season and that was the Palace game. The rest of the time I've either been encouraged or merely frustrated at chances wasted.
We seem to have played with a lot more purpose since that game and Lingard was introduced to the team, we just cannot finish and it seems to be down to our confidence being knocked. This isn't particularly shocking considering the hammering we've been taking in the press, particularly from ex United players who are in love with their own legacy and ignoring all the bad times they experienced too.
Sometimes football is not that exciting, and sometimes teams go through periods where nothing goes right for them. You just have to hope that after those patches we come out unscathed in terms of league position etc. which I expect we will.
He is our Mancini, a good coach currently clueless. He is only interested in spending the money.
I also thought our tempo was largely decent yesterday. We are just shite.
No there are other sane ones here as well. Someone just described their brother falling asleep after 75 minutes yesterday FFS. That was when we had about 3 decent chances in a short period.
You're both right but I disagree with you on Ryan Giggs, why gamble on the rest of the season when we could bring someone like Ancelloti who could rescue the season and be Van Gaal's long term successor? Sacking Van Gaal so that we can start again in the summer, for me, is a waste because we don't really need to start afresh but build on the excellent base he has laid.
He has done some good things but, no matter where we sit on the table, the first part of this season shows us he is not the man to take us forward, unfortunately.
Wouldn't argue with that but I'm a romantic and would love a manager who's potentially going to be here less than a couple of seasons like current managers....
To be fair, he said his brother was a West Ham fan. If anyone thinks our games are dull for us then they're 10 times more dull for the opposition, who barely touch the ball.
Our style starves us of chances (though yesterday was much better IMO), but it starves the opposition even more.
I think this is people's main gripe with LvG. The football becomes attritional. We pass it around excessively, allowing our opposition to build defensive shape, and look for a tiny chink in a parked bus armour. The opposition wait and wait, until we give it away in the final third and try to break out.
It becomes a games of mistakes. We only score if their defensive unit has a major lapse (which is rare at the top level of the PL). They only score if we get caught out on the break.
David Moyes in disguise?
This coupled with quotes like "we aren't good enough" in the papers today.. erm hello Louis, this is pretty much your squad who are playing the way you want them to play.
He was probably asked about it and gave an honest answer, which few could disagree with. He's saying we can beat anyone in our day but we're probably not good enough to win the CL this season. What's wrong with that? Mourinho and Klopp said similar things about the league recently.
It doesn't matter what he says at this point, some of you are just looking for reasons to get angry.
It doesn't matter what he says at this point, some of you are just looking for reasons to get angry.
This defence reminds me of the stuff people used to say about Moyes.
What's next? The squad is cak and Van Gaal just needs more time?
1. Mata took 3 corners, same as Blind. Mata's were terrible.
2. We have looked worse when we were without Smalling, not Blind who was making mistakes anyway yesterday. And even if that's true it still doesn't explain playing feckin CB on RB position, especially not it you have Mata ahead of him. That's absolutely criminal decision.
3. That's such an easy excuse
. Schweinsteiger was easily our best player in that period, who was trying the most out of all players, 10-15 minutes in period before he was subbed everything was going through his good play.I thought that too but it's still stupid considering we still had to win this game too, and subbing our best player in that time was baffling decision.
When?
Jones & Smalling have conceded a single goal together as a CB partnership. Rojo gave away a stupid penalty against Leicester at CB but that was about it. Blind almost gave away a stupid goal today if it wasn't for De Gea stopping a clear 1v1.
How do you guys have the balls to make up complete and utter shite to support a wrong point, that can be proven completely false by about 2 minutes of googling?
The excuses are ridiculous at times.
That "stuff people used to say about Moyes" still holds truth in many cases and shouldn't be automatically negated just because it's Moyes. People were exaggerating most of what he said, as well. He failed because he couldn't get results, not because of what he said in the media. Some of the reactions we got here over his later press conferences were ridiculously nit-picky and childish.
The longevity argument once again! I have made this point countless times before; there are a lot of factors that determines the length of a manager's reign other than his wish for such an eventuality and the most important on is competency which people assume Ryan has when better prepared managers have failed on countless occasions. We appointed Moyes using this logic which was flawed I am disappointed we don't seem to have learnt anything at all from that disaster.
Reading and listening to United greats going to great lengths to defend Rooney, a scouser who extorted the club at every opportunity to line his pockets I know it will be ten times as worse if Giggs fails and the club will be forced, against it's better judgement, to give him a far longer rope which would land us into an inextricable hole. With Arsenal having stabilized after a yoyo decade, Liverpool threatening resurgency and the two oil clubs being there the margin for error is very fine and the cost, as shown by the bill for the previous sentimental appointment, of repair to great to even consider such a risk.
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RTE website's top sport story this morning: LVG hits back at booing fans.
http://rte.ie/sport/soccer/english/2015/1206/751609-louis-van-gaal-hits-back-at-booing-fans/
http://rte.ie/sport/soccer/english/2015/1206/751609-louis-van-gaal-hits-back-at-booing-fans/
You mean giving a striker a chance might lead to him scoring goals? Who would've thought it?
It's worked with Chicharito, not working with Rooney.
Surely those that back LVG have to concede that it was really bad planning to get rid of most of your strikers. We jettisoned Welbz, Chich, RVP, Falcao (who was first in line to go tbf) and loaned out Wilson. Leaving us depending on a past it Rooney, a 19 year old kid and Fellaini, a player who was never a striker. Now, he goes to the papers and laments that his strikers aren't taking their chances and that a truly world class striker would. Well, then you should've brought one in or at least kept those around that had some idea what to do. Baffling.
I'm looking forward to Wolfsburg.
Clearly the manager wants a higher tempo and he thinks we are ready for it, in my opinion it's logical, first play accurate passes but be patient, focusing on good technique and selection, when that is happening you can do it at a quicker speed and so after about three months the team is usually ready for that.
As the attack operates with more speed we should see an increase in chances created and the quality of chances, even if we lack that star player, with our solid defence we should score enough to start winning consistently. At Bayern he had to go to Turin, last game in the group, if he didn't win he was going to get knocked out and nobody gave his side a chance against an in-form Juventus but they hit four past them and that turned their season around.
This situation we are in, win or perish, that should drive the players to perform to their best and the manager knows how to get results in a match like this, it's practically a knock out tie. Their backs are against the wall and so it's a chance to see what they're made of, I think they need it, they have to go there and play a good game but if they do that not just should we go through but it might be a catalyst for our season. We just need the confidence now.
In our 6 home games from October to now, 4 have been 0-0`s. And from all our matches since October 7 have been draws, the highest draw being two 1-1`s
We have the financial clout of being in the top 3 clubs in the world, but why is it on the pitch some fans here expect so little from one of the most expensive , if not the most expensivest assembled side in the league
Madrid, Bayern, and Barcelona are the teams we should be comparing ourselves too, just think what their fans would do if they were getting this football, and results for last 2 seasons, and theres a reason LVG was sacked swiftly from 2 of the above clubs, hes just not good enough
We have the financial clout of being in the top 3 clubs in the world, but why is it on the pitch some fans here expect so little from one of the most expensive , if not the most expensivest assembled side in the league
Madrid, Bayern, and Barcelona are the teams we should be comparing ourselves too, just think what their fans would do if they were getting this football, and results for last 2 seasons, and theres a reason LVG was sacked swiftly from 2 of the above clubs, hes just not good enough
A goal scoring chance is a goal scoring chance, West Ham had theirs but we had ours and overall we got into very good positions more often, we should have won that game. Usually the difference between a top four side and a midtable team is how clinical the top four side is in the final third, not that the midtable club doesn't get chances.
In my opinion had Lingard, Martial or Mata hit the target they would have almost certainly scored, and in the case of Schweinsteiger it would have required a really good save, and Fellaini's chance should have been a goal too.
Then there is the fact we got into some excellent positions once again only for the final pass to be lacking otherwise our player would have been through on goal.
That match was an improvement in terms of our play in the final third but obviously now we must improve on that.
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Thanks for making me laugh. this is a bright spot in shit season!
There's an open letter to van Gaal in the Newbs' forum; this is surely a sign of end times.
How do we expect him to become a prolific striker if he isn't first choice? Don't forget Louis van Gaal signed Depay for LW, back then and still now despite his poor start he expects him to develop into a quality player.
The game time for both means they will develop quicker, it was the right thing to do.
They starting to see it better and start to move quicker off the ball. But technically they're stretched. They have to play at the edge of their ability to play with enough pace to find some space. That's why it so utterly stupid to want Van Gaal out for Pep, he always has players playing well withing their technical comfort zone and has no experience whatsoever with technically limited players like these.
They might need a win, confidence is nice but can have a lot of sources, it's opportunity that makes as squad really grow. Last season after the loss at Chelsea even the slightest chance of winning the league was gone, and after that the focus looked gone, they went back to the poor level of the season's start.
It might also lead to him waisting chances, as it did at first. That happens to strikers, and is especially bad for strikers who aren't valuable when they do not score, but it's nonsense to start saying a striker shouldn't have been sold when he's had a good run of matches in which he could score at a significantly lower level.
Yeah it's stupid to give a proven goal scorer opportunities when you always have Fellaini to fall back on. Are you even a Man Utd fan or are you a Van Gaal fan?
That wasn't the intention.
Mata is supposed to be productive, Rooney wasn't expected to have as poor an output as he has and Depay also was expected to contribute goals this season. As for Depay I still think he can perform well enough to get his place back if we play with the tempo we did in the last game and I think he'll score some goals to take the pressure off.
Two younger players in Martial and Depay with the latter already coming to us with a goal scoring record (he scored 22 in 30 for PSV from LW with 6 in 9 in Europe) alongside two more experienced attackers was sensible.
Having another striker so Martial sits on the bench instead would be pointless considering his epic talent, Depay at the close of the window and still now is expected to become a quality player so the manager intends on giving him game time as long as he demonstrates desire and a good enough level of performance.
LOL , FFS , it's that fecking bad isn't it.
When the manager starts having a go at the fans, you sense it's the beginning of the end.
I like LvG and want him to be successful, but it's undeniable that a lot of our problems are of his own doing.
Last season he was bemoaning the in humane winter schedule in England and our injury problems. After securing Champions League football and adding more games to our schedule, his response to that is to get rid of at least 4 players who could've made a positive contribution to the team.
And for all those who were obsessed with our wage bill and supported the sales, are you happy now that we saved some money but our hopes rest on Martial, Depay and academy players?
Last season he was bemoaning the in humane winter schedule in England and our injury problems. After securing Champions League football and adding more games to our schedule, his response to that is to get rid of at least 4 players who could've made a positive contribution to the team.
And for all those who were obsessed with our wage bill and supported the sales, are you happy now that we saved some money but our hopes rest on Martial, Depay and academy players?
he's done a decent job considering where we were .
But I feel that we have far more ambition as a club than this. He's our Ranieri (an experienced head at the start of a rebuild), we need our Mourinho.
It's reading that we need to buy more attackers who will finally be the solution that really has me baffled. We've spent 59m on ADM, 25m on Memphis, 36m (and rising ) on Martial. He's been backed in fixing this attack,and signing even more attackers isnt some fullproof plan that we'll get us better. What if those new attackers struggle too within the philosophy.
You look at Klopp and Tuchel respectively and see that its possible for managers to have an immediate impact on their clubs attack in such a short period too. Neither have Neymar or Suarez at their disposal, but rather the players they have had have improved under their managers.
Throwing money at our problems cannot be the only solution, we have to consider everything including the manager.
But I feel that we have far more ambition as a club than this. He's our Ranieri (an experienced head at the start of a rebuild), we need our Mourinho.
It's reading that we need to buy more attackers who will finally be the solution that really has me baffled. We've spent 59m on ADM, 25m on Memphis, 36m (and rising ) on Martial. He's been backed in fixing this attack,and signing even more attackers isnt some fullproof plan that we'll get us better. What if those new attackers struggle too within the philosophy.
You look at Klopp and Tuchel respectively and see that its possible for managers to have an immediate impact on their clubs attack in such a short period too. Neither have Neymar or Suarez at their disposal, but rather the players they have had have improved under their managers.
Throwing money at our problems cannot be the only solution, we have to consider everything including the manager.
Wouldn't be the worst idea, despite the uproar some on here might make.